Time for a mass redistribution of wealth

spiritualzombie

thesaneone

spiritualzombie
but it should be where we ALL win.

This is what irks me with some people, why should we all win? Should we all be winners even if we don't deserve it or earn it. Who chooses the losers? You?

Well, we don't have to all win. But can we have empathy for losers? Can we help them? I believe we can do so much more. It's a philosophy really.

Its kind of an awkward philosophy to think you can feed a man for life by GIVING him a fish...

Sometimes help is really a disservice to a lesson...sometimes help is really enabling really poor habits...sometimes help isn't help...

disabilities are a different case however...we should be empowering, and facilitating personal responsibility and growth to help one triumph over that disability...rather than just pay for them to sit in pity...

Its not impossible to overcome adversity and triumph over disability...unless you keep someone from even trying by saying they don't have to...

spiritualzombie

thesaneone

spiritualzombie
but it should be where we ALL win.

This is what irks me with some people, why should we all win? Should we all be winners even if we don't deserve it or earn it. Who chooses the losers? You?

Well, we don't have to all win. But can we have empathy for losers? Can we help them? I believe we can do so much more. It's a philosophy really. I'm not religious but supposedly Jesus helped heal lepers, even though it wasn't his problem, even though the lepers may have gotten there through mistakes of their own, he helped them. He believed in feeding people, caring about people, above all LOVE. It's not like he ever said "Why should I have to die for THEIR sins?"

we are helping them. the problem is, the gov is using most of the funds meant for helping others and instead using it to take over the world, under the guise of helping others. if the money that is currently extracted from each working person by force of law and under threat of imprisonment if not abided by, were to instead be re-routed to the people who actually need help, there wouldn't be a poor person in this country. guaranteed.

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Does my writing lead you to believe i have done otherwise?

reply to post by undo


Well, you guys are argueing from the wrong perspective.

Stop talking about force thats not the under lying issue the under lying issue needs to be adressed and its our culture and the way we think.
People are greedy period. People are selfish period, people have a sense of entitlement period, and the list goes. These are the issues not the politics.

FlyersFan

spiritualzombie
So many arguments to defend greed. ...

.... and that's what YOU are doing, but you don't realize it. You are defending greed ... defending the theft of what isn't yours ... defending turning working people into slaves to the state ... defending a corrupt government taking control of all finances and all private property. THAT is greed.

This is comical. This is spin. The mainstream news word for bullsh*t.

I never said anything about government taking control of all finances and all private property. Is this the way your mind works? It can't focus on a fine point, it can only teeter back and forth from one extreme to the other?

It's like these ridiculous arguments like:
"Voting against slavery is racist because it implies slaves can't get free on their own."

Is see this reverse psychology peddled all the time by people in denial of their own greed and prejudices. Sorry, not buying that BS.

totallackey
reply to post by spacedog1973

 

Does my writing lead you to believe i have done otherwise?

Your post speaks for itself.

reply to post by neo96

Ah, I see that you are still misleadingly quoting medicare and social security as welfare numbers.

Redistribution has always historically happened, usually like this:



This is what kept the worlds wealth in balance.
Now, with modern technology these guys have their assets safely locked away in virtual space, where it can never be touched. They still fear us, and that is why the wealthy conservatives are trying so hard to enact police state measures on the rest of us. Not for fear of terrorism as they claim, but for fear of the “mob” rebelling and removing their wealth and power.

The Romans knew well that the “mob” ruled, and were experts at keeping them distracted via all sorts of base entertainments. Now they only have to distract us long enough to push through all their Orwellian laws to control us. For the first time in history they honestly believe that they can control the mob via technology.

spiritualzombie
The 1% is a problem.

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Time for a massive change. I vote for a mass redistribution of wealth.

Unusual to see communism advocated here.

spacedog1973

totallackey
reply to post by spacedog1973

 

Does my writing lead you to believe i have done otherwise?

Your post speaks for itself.

I didnt interpret his/her post in the way you are. I felt ,especially the 2nd part, to represent human nature... and it was spot on.

onequestion
reply to post by undo

 

Stop talking about force thats not the under lying issue the under lying issue needs to be adressed and its our culture and the way we think that needs addressing.

the culture was coming along quite well once we got past the race and gender issues, it was darn near perfect. we had a public safety net. an old age safety net. nice retirement incomes, comfortable inflation rates, and the dollar still retained comfortable value. people of all walks and racial backgrounds were beginning to prosper. but ya know what that means? competition. and competition doesn't work in socialism. socialism demands that there be no competition. it's viewed as a negative thing, yet competition, even if only against your own past record, is what drives progress. everything else, leads to stagnation. don't you think the 1% already know this ? that's why they used the progressives to drive us all the poor house. the less competition they have, the more of the prize they can claim for themselves.

socialism has completely screwed the pooch

spiritualzombie

thesaneone

spiritualzombie
but it should be where we ALL win.

This is what irks me with some people, why should we all win? Should we all be winners even if we don't deserve it or earn it. Who chooses the losers? You?

Well, we don't have to all win. But can we have empathy for losers? Can we help them? I believe we can do so much more. It's a philosophy really. I'm not religious but supposedly Jesus helped heal lepers, even though it wasn't his problem, even though the lepers may have gotten there through mistakes of their own, he helped them. He believed in feeding people, caring about people, above all LOVE. It's not like he ever said "Why should I have to die for THEIR sins?"

What exactly is anyone writing that leads you to believe this a matter of "winning," or "losing?" How does wealth (in terms of gold or fiat currency) amount to a state of "winning?" Are you a subscriber to Charlie Sheen on Twitter?

Crooks and criminals are not interested in helping others. For the most crooks and criminals, I kindly direct you to the UN, Washington D.C., and/or the capital of any country/state in the world. They already tax the populace and redistribute this ill-gotten gain, supposedly for the betterment of the impoverished people across the world. They have been doing this since time began. How's it going?

reply to post by spiritualzombie


So, If we take the 100 Million that one guy has and give 100 people a million dollars then everybody is a millionaire.

Who is going to open a factory that cost 75 Million to start up and employ a couple hundred people?

Without people with money there would be so little economic infrastructure.

I know it sucks being poor but work to make yourself better instead of tearing others down.

Besides, the poorest people that bitch on here have it better than 90% of the world.

To people in Ethiopia you seem down right rich and I am sure they would like to redistribute your money a little.

If you are fed daily, have clean water, are clothed and ON THE INTERNET BITCHING then you aren't too bad off.

Dwell on what you have in life.....not what you don't have.

reply to post by totallackey


But it's the evil corp. that are hurting the people.

You guys want change fight Washington not the evil corp.

mwood
reply to post by spiritualzombie

 

So, If we take the 100 Million that one guy has and give 100 people a million dollars then everybody is a millionaire.

Who is going to open a factory that cost 75 Million to start up and employ a couple hundred people?

Without people with money there would be so little economic infrastructure.

I know it sucks being poor but work to make yourself better instead of tearing others down.

Besides, the poorest people that bitch on here have it better than 90% of the world.

To people in Ethiopia you seem down right rich and I am sure they would like to redistribute your money a little.

If you are fed daily, have clean water, are clothed and ON THE INTERNET BITCHING then you aren't too bad off.

Dwell on what you have in life.....not what you don't have.

This is worth repeating.

onequestion
reply to post by undo

 

Well, you guys are argueing from the wrong perspective.

Stop talking about force thats not the under lying issue the under lying issue needs to be adressed and its our culture and the way we think.
People are greedy period. People are selfish period, people have a sense of entitlement period, and the list goes. These are the issues not the politics.

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Yes, it's the culture. We applaud greed. We have articles on the top powerful people, the richest people in the world.

What is the point of making billions if the world isn't moving in a better direction? If we make billions just to pursue our own greatness and toss miniscule percentage crumbs out to feel philanthropic, or to have a library named after us, what good does that really do?

We are capable of so much more.

People really need to be educated on greed. And I think greed needs to be classified and taught as a mental illness. People in our society need to be identified as such, and they need to check themselves into a rehab of sorts. We have to stop applauding greed.

There can exist a society of wealthy where truly the wealthy are something to aspire to, not only financially, but spiritually.

The redistribution of wealth does not have to be some crazy dark draconian nightmare. To put one's hard earned pyramid of cash toward the betterment of mankind, toward generosity, health, and shelter, does not have to be an evil thing.

reply to post by defcon5

Ah, I see that you are still misleadingly quoting medicare and social security as welfare numbers

There is nothing misleading about calling them what they are.

Since a person pays 6/2 percent in total contributions, and other people are paying the rest (employers/medicare tax on capital gains), and the difference is made up by the rest of us, and printing and borrowing.

They are indeed WELFARE.

Now on the other hand if either program funded themselves then in that case they wouldn't be called 'welfare'.

But we live in the real world.

Redistribution has always historically happened, usually like this:

Yeah I am fully aware of the French and Russian 'revolutions' killing people over money. Who now have more debt than ever.

Guess cause everyone else is doing it 'we should'.

mwood
So, If we take the 100 Million that one guy has and give 100 people a million dollars then everybody is a millionaire.

The problem is debt.
If we took all that money and gave it to others, by the time they pay off their debts they really aren't much ahead, and all the money just went back into the hands of another wealthy debtor. So lets say we take $100,000 from some billionaire, and we give it to Joe Average, by the time he pays off his $150,000 house mortgage, he is still in debt to the banker for $50K. All that $100,000 went from the billionaire to the banker, all you did was transfer wealth from one rich person to another. And...If you give that wealth to someone who is not in debt at present, I guarantee they soon will be.

I think that no matter what "system" is put in place, there will always be injustice. There will always be a privileged few as compared to the under-privileged many; it's human nature.

The only thing I know for sure is that when I get up in the morning to go to work, I don't do it to make the world a better place, I do it to try to improve my family's situation. Is that greed, or personal responsibility?

I grew up very poor, living on welfare and all sorts of government assistance. Do you know why? Because my father was a shiftless layabout drug addict and drug dealer, who couldn't hold a job because someone was always "holding him down". He and my mother were the reason we were poor, not because someone else was rich. They didn't try to make a better life for themselves and their children, and got what they'd earned; nothing.

We lived in the projects in the Boston area and everyone around us were living the same way; there was no effort on the part of any of them to change their lives. Why? Because they didn't have to; the check came every month.

I've resented my childhood and the life I was born into ever since I could work (I began working at 14), and I do not intend to allow my children to have the same example that I did, so I work.

I don't make much, but I'll be damned if anyone's going to take my earnings and give them to someone else's kids. I didn't make them, and I have no intention of supporting them. Does that make me cold-hearted? If so, then I guess that's what I am.

This entire argument of taking from some to give to others is complete and utter B.S. Is the current system messed up? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that ideas like the one espoused by the OP of this thread should ever be considered.

I have to admit, this discussion and the tenor it has adopted, not only makes me physically ill, it fills me with contempt for what would appear to be a very large group of people who appear to have nothing better to do than to ogle the lifestyles of others, and to desire it for themselves, but are unwilling to try to attain it for themselves through work.

spacedog1973

totallackey
reply to post by spacedog1973

 

Does my writing lead you to believe i have done otherwise?

Your post speaks for itself.

Yes it does. And your reply to that post:

You would've done well to have taken your father's advice and applied 5 minutes thought to it.
Because everyone who has money now, earned it through their own hard work, right? And everyone who is suffering deserves it.
Some people.
smh

...also speaks for itself.

In other words, it is always the other guy...

It is a fact of life that pain and suffering are the norm. How you deal with the pain and suffering is the measure of success.

While there certainly are people who get their kicks from the practice of schadenfreud, I think you have the culprits misidentified. The culprits are easily identified...it is the ones loudly demanding the removal (forced or otherwise) of things so mundane as money or property from others. Once this practice starts, then who/what is next?

put all monies siezed in a high yeild account and distribute a portion as wages to everyone

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