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Phoenicians being known as 'purple people’ by the Greeks (as the Greek historian Herodotus tells us) because the dye would stain the skin of the workers. Herodotus cites Phoenica as the birthplace of the...
This is so pertinent right now, I can't tell you! The problem I've had until now is that I've pretty much ignored the later stones because of their 'Christian' iconography, as if the Picts just decided to become Christians in a happy, pleasant way. Both of my parents are from 'Pict clans', and there's nothing happy or pleasant about either of them! Only joking (slightly).
But if this iconography isn't necessarily Christian as I understood it to mean then there should be many more symbols of note here too! As AtroxLux has pointed out, the beastie has remained the same for centuries, so why combine them with Christian symbols?
Because they weren't necessarily Christian symbols?
I have always kept an eye out for the Picts because of my respect for the brilliant Ian Anderson. Hes from Fife.
Yea on some of the stones with cross they still retain some of the old symbols but by that time these family icons may not have carried their significance over time. The cross may really be a sun symbol representing the suns emergence from the underworld up passed the earthly line represented by the horizontal line.
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Absolutely no problem, zardust, it's all strangely relevant!
I'll look forward to your thread, it's intriguing
Thanks Beanside, I don't know all the common courtesies here yet, so I didn't want to impose.
Waddell shows there is a stone in Ireland that commemorates Menes death there while visiting....he was killed by a wasp sting...the stones were recorded before they were damaged
so some of the stones are commemorating events, some are area markers, some are sightlines...some are for marking time...calendrical...etc
B, Can you get us some pictures of your stones just for fun...so we can look for references to them?
Kudurru was a type of stone document used as boundary stones and as records of land grants to vassals by the Kassites in ancient Babylonia between the 16th and 12th centuries BCE. The word is Akkadian for "frontier" or "boundary" (cf. Hebrew גדר "gader", fence, boundary; Arabic جدر "jadr", جدار "jidar" 'wall'; pl. جدور "judūr"). The kudurrus are the only surviving artworks for the period of Kassite rule in Babylonia with examples kept in the Louvre, the British Museum and the National Museum of Iraq.
The kudurrus recorded the land granted by the king to his vassals as a record of his decision. The original kudurru would be stored in a temple while the person granted the land would be given a clay copy to use as a boundary stone to confirm legal ownership.
The kudurrus would contain symbolic images of the gods who were protecting the contract, the contract itself and the divine curse that would be placed on a person who broke the contract. Some kudurrus also contained an image of the king who granted the land. As they contained a great deal of images as well as a contract, kudurrus were engraved on large slabs of stone.
"Baetylus (Greek), a word of Semitic origin that means Bethel and denoting a sacred stone, which was supposed to be endowed with life. These fetish objects of worship were meteoric stones, which were dedicated to the gods or reserved as symbols of the gods themselves (Pliny, Nat. Hist. xvii. 9; Photius, Cod. 242). In Greek mythology the term specially applied to the stone supposed to have been swallowed by Cronus. This stone was carefully preserved at Delphi, anointed with oil every day [italics mine — this is exactly what Jacob did to the first Bethel-stone] and on festal occasions covered with raw wool (Pausanias x. 24) [to put on rough wool, or a wool garment, was like Esau who was covered with hair. It supposedly represented the prophetic office — see Zechariah 13:4]. In the Phoenician mythology, one of the sons of Uranus [Jacob, who supposedly initiated the use of Bethelstones] is named Baetylus. Another famous stone was the effigy of Rhea Cybele, the holy stone of Pessinus, black and of irregular form, which was brought to Rome in 204 B. C. and placed in the mouth of the statue of the goddess. In some cases an attempt was made to give a more regular form to the original shapeless stone: thus Apollo Agyieus was represented by a conical pillar with pointed end, Zeus Melichius in the form of a pyramid. Other famous baetylic idols were those in the temples of Zeus Teleios at Tegea. Even in the declining years of paganism, these idols still retained their significance, as is shown by the attacks upon them by ecclesiastical writers."
"Baetylus," Enyclopaedia Britannica (11th ed.) vol. 3. pp. 191–192