I hear a lot of people claiming there is no free will in this universe. They might say it's an excuse to believe in god because it can be used to
justify the ''abscence'' of god's mercy towards injustice and terrible pain. Personnaly I believe in something much higher and powerful than
human consciousness which can hardly be understood with this mind of ours. I also think god (the ultimate energy of the universe) can and will help us
in time of need. However, and unfortunately, life works in a way we have to completely face the consequences of our actions. This is known as the law
of cause and effect. We could simply call it Karma.
But that's not my main point.
The absence of free will is the proof of God, a cosmic muffin, the spaghetti monster, pick the name of your creator of this virtual reality... The
lack of free will indicates a program is in place, one that is incredible in scope and size, but none-the-less a program, one that appears to operate
this virtual reality/holographic universe/movie.
I can't stop wondering to myself why do we think free will doesn't exist when in fact it's all around us?
Every time we decide to hurt somebody or ourself, that's free will.
No, hurting someone, which might even be an extension of ourselves, is simply part of the program.
Every time we decide to pollute the environment, that's free will.
No, creating pollution is simply part of the program.
Every time we decide to smile instead of cry, that's free will.
No, it is simply part of the program.
Every time we decide to stop beside a person in need or just walk away, that's free will.
No, it is simply part of the program.
I mean, we have been given the right to choose for ourselves of what we really wish to accomplish with our lifes. Every decisions (or almost)
is established with free will. We have so much free will that we have the power to determine of the destiny of an entire planet and all the animals
living among it. We even have a choice to make in how we want to influence the whole universe. That's gigantic free will in my book.
Well, prove it, prove we have free will, I'll bet you can't. Your hypothesis seems to work on blind faith, but in reality, it is simply programming
in regards to this virtual reality and we are getting closer to proving this is a virtual reality, with empirical data. We are simply "riders on a
bus," we don't control the speed, the direction, the in-transit meal or what we see/hear/experience, that is left up to our character profile in
regards to the movie/programming. Our problems with proof are similar to the problem of measuring gravity waves, they are like ripples on the water
and the amoeba riding the wave does not experience change because its local environment changes with the amoeba. With gravity waves, space and time
are proportionally distorted in our local space where we are trying to measure the gravity waves, so our "rulers" change with the wave thereby
producing no measurable effect. So measurement requires one of two things, either a causal proxy or to be able to measure the wave from a position
outside the effected local space or outside the system of the universe.
Now of course there are others factors that will direct how a person will think and react, but in the end we are always in power. Only the
blindness of the ego can make us loose this awesome faculty.
Again, prove it, that as you call it the "blindness of the ego" causes us to lose free will, which is something we don't have (meaning free will)
and since we don't have free will, power is illusory.
So I'm wondering ATS, if we can shape the world we live in to our desire every second of every minute, how can that not be free
If I hire a bunch of actors to follow a script and create a virtual reality that changes second by second, who's show are they putting on? Mine or
theirs? If I created that visual reality, doesn't that virtual reality belong to me and not the actors?
In the end, maybe the answer lies just in that: we are so ashamed to have created such an absurd and injust society, where no respect
whatsoever is shown towards nature and the animals species living in it. Maybe we don't want and can't believe we are the only guilty. Maybe it is
the exact reason why so many people refuse to believe in free will in the modern era... or even god for that matter.
No, society is supposed to be absurd and corrupt, it is the nature of the program/movie ;-)
Sometimes we should look back in time to our ancient brothers and take into perspective the way they understood life and its mysteries for
thousand of years before all this crazyness of science came into play. We could learn a thing or two.
That would make the end of my point.
Back in time, you mean history right? How do you know our collective history is even correct? Were you there watching for the last say ~10,000+ years?
How do you know reality is even real or that history or our individual "past" isn't programmed a plank length (C/Plank length) of time before it's
implanted in our brains? We are inhabiting what we possibly can perceive as meat puppets or an avatar, if you like that term better. Our minds are
someplace else and we are tethered, to what we think are these biological robots, through the brain. I imagine it somewhat like a train rolling down
hill with a bunch of sensors on it and the data acquisition system is somewhere else. Our bodies are simply actors collecting information for our
minds from this virtual reality/four dimensional movie. Doesn't the "brain" operate on electrochemical stimuli, couldn't "reality" even be
induced to produce a collective "almost" dream state?
Let me explain a little about free will, a rational set of requirements for same;
It means being able to say NO and that no one or thing can force you to agree or say yes and;
It means having explicit control over EVERY aspect of your being at a sub-atomic level, but specifically within the brain, meaning that stray gamma
rays or other interacting subatomic particles cannot alter decision making processes in neurons in your brain and;
It means having the ability to come and go from this virtual reality whenever you "feel" like doing so and still retain your memories of past
Here's is a simple thought experiment;
You have water inside of a sealed jar (call it matter and the universe). With a large enough computer, enough sensors and advanced technology you
could monitor the positions/energy/spin/velocity/etc. of all of the subatomic particles in real time. If you are sufficiently advanced you could write
a monitoring program if you knew the basis of all of the laws of physics within this jar of water. This would mean that you would have the ability to
track all particle interactions. Again, this means that with sufficient knowledge, you could write a computer program that predicted where all of the
particles would be in an infinite number of years in the future or would have been in the past, with 100% accuracy. Now, if this is the case, then
everything in that jar of water is predictable, so expand the jar of water to the size of the universe and presume the programmer is the creator. If
everything is predictable, there can be no free will.
Free will does not exist. The idea of free will is a fairy tale and part of the programming.
Cheers - Dave