I had a little theory on why communism is so unpopular in most western nations, particuarly the US. I've noticed that when children are being raised families operate a bit like a communist society. Only in the case of the family, parents are the goverment and children are the worker class. Whether or not this is good parenting is still debatible.

This system seems to make kids feel oppressed because they have no democracy in the family. When children begin learning about communism in history class they end up comparing their family to communism.

One thing children notice is that the parents are more powerful than themselves and that the parents get better stuff. This looks a lot like corruption. Ever notice how many of the teen goths and anarchists end up like the way they are because they resent their parents. It's all because they want freedom because they feel that their families never provided it.


So in the end the have a natural hatred for any goverment that restricts freedom because it bears so much similarity to their families when they were growing up. I think that this is one of the reasons for the widespread hatred of communism.

Actually, the widespread hatred of communism is because it IS corrupt, opressive, and horrible to the worker class. It is not because parents are like that, parents should have power over the children, otherwise how would they raise us? Suppose there are more children, then the parents would not be able to raise the children if it was a vote.
Face it, there is no reason people think communism is bad besides the fact that it doesn't work and that it is wrong.

EDIT: Also, I am pretty sure the parents ARE the worker class, the children usually don't do anything. The parents DESERVE the stuff they buy, they earned it.

[edit on 21-11-2004 by DanD9]

You have a point about how parents truly are the working class. But from a childs point of view it's the opposite. In truth the basic concept of communism says nothing about not having democracy or being oppresive. The only reason things come out this way is that people get greedy and modify communism to their liking. From a childs point of view a lot of average families have resemblance to the Soviet Union.

The basic concept of communism, forced division of wealth and govmt control of business IS unfair. If someone with a good idea wants to earn money from it, it becomes the government's. Last time I thought about it, I thought it was wrong to steal, especially if it is from the people you are there to protect.

I probably should've realized this a long time ago. I remember back in sixth grade, I had an idiotic reading teacher. She was always telling us how school is a monarchy and we had to do whatever she said we had to do. Now, whenever a substitute says it, I just roll my eyes.

I think you have a point. Whenever I wanted something, I had to go against the "government" per say. Like when I wanted a bro, I had to keep nagging my parents. Now they're trying to move me and I'm protesting that. Ever since I was a kid, my dad has tried to always make himself look smarter than everyone else in the family even if he wasn't. My mom calls him manipulative. Sounds a bit like a dictator. I've been getting increasingly more into politics, becoming more involved with it than anyone else I know. I mean I annoy my family from talking about politics so much. I've been pushing for a "free-er" America ever since 2003. My dad's been trying to get me out of it by saying it doesn't pay well and that if I went to the political high school near me, I'd get beat up everyday.

I guess it's a huge metaphor.

A free-er country would be better. You should be Libertarian.
Anyways, my family encourages politics.

Families are a Socialistic Monarchy. I know it doesn't make sense, listen. Parents rule BUT for the benifit of all. They provide house and food while the "worker" gains an education so that they can provide for themselves.

Communism is just crapped on because of the oppositon it put up against America during the Cold War.

I'm not really trying to argue for or against communism. I'm simply stating that children tend to view families as a communist dictatorship, which causes them to resent communism. Excellent point intrepid. To tell the truth I never truly appricieated my life at home until I was about 13. I suppose it's all in the point of view. Has anybody else noticed this attitude from children?

I think you're looking into it too much. I think its just because of the media, and when kids see Sadam, or Fidel, they automatically label them "bad", and one they think of communism, they then think "bad" also. Communism could work, I like socialism more, though.

I think you're looking into it too much. I think its just because of the media, and when kids see Sadam, or Fidel, they automatically label them "bad", and one they think of communism, they then think "bad" also. Communism could work, I like socialism more, though.

I agree with you totally, and Socialism is better... Anarchism is good too, though probably unattainable.

Originally posted by intrepid
Communism is just crapped on because of the oppositon it put up against America during the Cold War.

Really !
So all those thousands that were killed in communist regims are jsut a figment of our immagination!
Just "Crap" spread by america! Enlightened views are these?

Originally posted by intrepid
Communism is just crapped on because of the oppositon it put up against America during the Cold War.

Hmmmm, I will quote Homer Simpson on this one:

"In thoery Communism works, In Theory"

Communism is a social theory that looks good on papaer but the reality is that you can never overcome human nature and thus the system is doomed to failure.

firstly as an answer to the post, if you’re talking about american children I must disagree, I think their view of socialism, indeed anything on the left side of the scale to be bad, is largely shaped by the general McCarthyist view of americans.
yes communism has been dragged through the mud by western propaganda to in an attempt to justify huge expenses when they fought to remain the only superpower after the fall of the British empire.

And yes socialism works. just look at russia in 1916, a backwards country plagued by hunger an poverty, ruled by a feudal type society, look at russia 1966, 50 years later its become the greatest military and economical power in the world next to the USA, who did not have two world wars fought in their country, or ravaged by a west-financed civil war.
it was Stalins bargaining witch the west that resulted in the "socialism in one state" that put the final nail in the coffin.
Put even if I think that dictatorship was needed back then I do not believe it will work now, socialism needs to slowly change our society, like it has done in the form of social democracy here in sweden.
liberty is worth nothing without social justice,
if your liberties depends on how much money daddy has in the bank, then you end up with a country as the US, where 40% lack any kind of health insurance, where parts of the country resemble third world countries at the same time your BNP is the highest in the world…






[edit on 28-11-2004 by disturbence]

That was almost inspiring...inspiring for me to give you a quick social studies lesson...instead I think I'd be better off not. The McCarthy Era died but remnants still remain...Pity. I they this threads Author has a very good point... Many nuclear familes operate with symptoms from main bad systems of government, Communism is no exception.

Do you agree with me that: Unless you are not White Middle-Class Mainstream American that you are in some ways oppressed by the Ruling-Class, Majority Society and that corruption is rampant througout their ranks. And that it's going in a wrong direction and doesn't work for all peoples? If you disagree please be more substanial in your response than your original posting quoted below!

Originally posted by DanD9
Actually, the widespread hatred of communism is because it IS corrupt, opressive, and horrible to the worker class. It is not because parents are like that, parents should have power over the children, otherwise how would they raise us? Suppose there are more children, then the parents would not be able to raise the children if it was a vote.
Face it, there is no reason people think communism is bad besides the fact that it doesn't work and that it is wrong.

EDIT: Also, I am pretty sure the parents ARE the worker class, the children usually don't do anything. The parents DESERVE the stuff they buy, they earned it.

[edit on 21-11-2004 by DanD9]

Originally posted by disturbence
And yes socialism works. just look at russia in 1916, a backwards country plagued by hunger an poverty, ruled by a feudal type society, look at russia 1966,

Wow that a unique take on the "Stalin" miracle. How many millions died as a result of his "leadership" and paranoia? How many were worked to death in camps for that properaity? Stalin put it the best perhaps and maybe sums up the point you are making:

"One death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic"

Yes, Russia 1966 Paradise on earth.

The perversion of communism that was marxist-leninism has undoubtedly ingrained into many people's mind in the west that it just won't work. Also a lot of generalisations are made of communist societies based on the way the marxist-leninist governments ran things. I would be interested in just seeing how pure marxist communism would work in a nation, because it is a thing that we have not seen before.

Marx had many brilliant ideas and many things that are now standard rights in our society we have Marx to thank for.

I'm not saying that communism is great, but I am trying to say is capitalism isn't that great either. There is no such thing as perfect governance, however I think Democratic Socialism based on a socially oriented free market economy is the best thing we have right now to ensure most people live happy and productive lives.

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ehh, nobody here denies the millions opon millions that died by the iron hands of stalin and other dictators he supported.

put is you´re trying to imply that that is a direkt result of communism , then shall we try to count all the people who have died by the hand of US suported regims all over the globe?
and if you, like so many other count china, and N.korea when naming numbers that died by the hands of communism, then shall we add the people taken during the latter part of the brittish empire? they after all tought the US about kapitalism and imperialism...

I believe the whole anti-communism thing was invented by some gangster, who wanted an excuse for running some scam. He claimed he was fighting communism, or some other buls#.

Stalin killed lots of people. Hitler killed lots of people. Pretty much every great political leader has been responsible for many deaths. Capitolism kills people. Communism kills people. However, the question is not what is wrong with the system, but why people are against it.

There is 'Communism' and Communism.

'Communism' of the USSR had nothing to do with Communism as explained my Karl Marx. Simply put, Marx said workers are gonna take over the production means, and gradually become bourgeois, thus fixing a great unfairness that only few people were very rich and all the others were very very poor.

The Communists of USSR where nothing more than dictators who saw a great opportunity to get rich and live a wealthy life on the shoulders of million of people that sufferred in total poorness. In a few words, Lenin and Co where nothing more than opportunists.

The 'Communism' of USSR is, of course, to be hated. It is a totalitarian way of governing. But true Communism has never been practiced, simply because it goes against human nature.

How many of you know that Christianity is Communism? I bet none. But Jesus Christ was the first Communist: he gave everything he had to others; he said 'he who has two pieces of cloth should give one of them to the other.' That's true communism: everything is shared.

It's really funny that US people hate Communism, but they have recently turned to Christianity which is, at roots, the first Communism theory!

Wait cyberdude78... as if capitalism isn't a top down hierarchy too...

Capitalism is worse that communism for in-equality, just look at the difference in wages between mamanger and worker... look at the difference in lifestyle... look at how we treat celebs like the new aristocracy.. etc