reply to post by adjensen
You say that anything written AD 200 means its not that reliable, however lI wondered if you realised that the earliest copy of the John's gospel is
dated 200 AD.
When I read about Apollonius suddenly everything clicked into place that I could not make sense of concerning Jesus's life. We know Apollonius was
regarded by his followers as a very holy man, some considered him a son of- or a God. We know he was from a good family, well educated, never married
and retired to Patmos.. We also know he had very strong beliefs that the Roman Emperors found threatening and his following was growing and growing
even after his death. He travelled extensively and took parts of different religions e.g. reincarnation into his teachings. He was respected and
liked and lived the ascetic life of a holy Man.
However its the opposite for Jesus. He had a poor upbringing and being a carpenter's son was unlikely to have been educated. It is never reported
that he wrote any down and we know the desciples mostly uneducated men who relied on charity to survive. We also know he is reputed to have taught in
the Synagogue but, unless he was a married Rabbi, he could not have done so according to Jewish Law and he would have been arrested by the Temple
police. Much of what we are told, simply doesn't make sense. A man who gives the Sermon on the Mount to huge crowds and feeds them from a couple of
little baskets would have been the talk of the whole of Israel. Even his crucifixion is not recorded in Roman documents.
One of the nails in the coffin for me is that he sent out a group of disciples to heal and spread his teachings. We have no real records of their
success whatsoever. We are told his supposed disciples were killed : James 44-45AD through to John in 95AD. However the only sources for any
information about their deaths comes from the two Christian Church leaders Eusabius and Hippolumus. So there is absolutely no authenticity apart from
the conspirators of Nicea who can corroborate anything about the disciples and the early so-called christians.
The big reason the church hated Apollonius is that he taught that God was not interested in man or having man pray to him because we are all part of
creation. This was threatening the ailing Empire and did not suit the Emperors who told the people they were Gods and they needed the Church by way of
a unified, authoritative religion to control the people. They had to have the people accept their authority as coming direct from God himself and it
certainly did not suit the Church Fathers as it left them without a role and any means of qualifying their existence, which, with the land grabbing
and donations that the Emporer granted them the power to carry out, it ensure them power and a very comfortable, easy lifestyle.
When one considers what a threat Apollonius and the teachings were and we have the record of how those teachings were altered to suit Constantine and
the church fathers from the council of Nicea, one can see how they had to invent someone else to have been the Son of God to give their teachings a
figurehead to replace all memory of Appollonius and his original teachings.
Its wasn't hard for them to do because virtually no one could read in those days and the church erased and twisted past teachings, implanted itself
on top of pagan sites, often adopting its Gods as Saints and killing off any opposition. So in time, only Philostratus's records were left concerning
Apollonius as the name of Jesus took over. It was easy to do as the bible was not available to be read because the two things the Church insisted on
especially in Britain, was that the people should not be allowed to be educated and the bible was to stay in Latin, which the people did not speak.
Our only records, since the destruction of the liberal libraries by so-called Christian thugs come from Church sources. There are no original
documents of anything in the Gospels and we have only been able to see what the Church has allowed us. It should be remembered that when the Dead Sea
Scrolls were found, the Catholic Church grabbed them and kept them away from public scrutiny and several of the Priesthood engaged to work on them
left their faith. We can't be sure today of what is left of them because every bit of literature went through the Church's censorship.