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The Louisiana Public School Cramming Christianity Down Students’ Throats

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posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 07:13 PM
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3u40r15m
I'm gonna call BS.... Their is no proof of any of this.


Filed court documents say otherwise...now the extent of the claims could be questioned, as that is what happens in court cases...I am not sure how you can say there is "no proof"...




posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 07:24 PM
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Yeah the extent of the claims... I'm calling BS thats my point..



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 08:14 PM
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Also your article ( www.salon.com... ) is not all that true. Most studies of pastoral communities and hunter gatherer communities show that they engage in far less violent activity both as a percentage and number.


Are you talking about ancient history? I ask because you are speaking about hunter gatherer communities and the salon article is about present day.

What size of the population is hunter gatherer and pastoral? Where are they located? What religion are they?

How does anything you wrote negate how in present day the world at large enjoys unprecedented peace, according to a new study except for religious conflicts being on the rise?
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posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 08:16 PM
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Wow. The folks saying that 'the majority in LA want it that way... so what's the problem' ARE the problem.

The separation of Church and State is there to protect the minority, not attack the majority. All it does is enforce a neutrality so folks can agree on facts and leave faith in the home. It protects against ideological bullies.

American education lately, for the most part, is substandard. Teachers are underpaid, and thus the folks who actually should teach largely find careers elsewhere.

Intellectualism is becoming suspect in America and it shows. People who see intellectualism and critical thinking as an attack on faith are missing the point. It's a way of logical thinking and approaching problems... it teaches how to think, not what to think... schools should teach children to critically think, the facts taught are secondary.

If the resulting skeptical mind questions some of the particulars of certain faiths, then it's the faith's fault it makes no sense.

But really, forcing any religious agenda on a minority is evil. It's bullying, small minded and those not finding it a problem should do an exercise and imagine their little darling forced to attend a school where the teachers push a baby-flesh eating agenda. Same darn thing, even if hyperbole.



posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 08:48 PM
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3NL1GHT3N3D1
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That's why I'm asking, I wasn't putting words in your mouth only asking the question.

Do you believe that religion is needed for children to develop a moral compass and that anyone who is not religious ends up being immoral?



No , teaching Children how to Live a Moral Life does not necessarilly have to involve Religion .



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 12:47 AM
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People are very confused about what should and should not be allowed in public. As a firm believer in the freedom of speech the school should be allowed to put anything on the walls, religious or not. It should be up to taxpayers to decide whether to pay for it. The only thing that steps over the line is penalizing students grades for the simple reason that their answers is contrary to Christian beliefs. Only then do you have a problem. But as for teachers praying and Christian stuff on the wall that is up to the people who pay for it to decide.

How does a poster saying "Christ Jesus is Lord" hurt someone?



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 01:49 AM
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I am a firm believer that one persons rights end where another's begin.

School is a place where we send our kids to be taught. Who gave the school the right to teach my kid that Christ is a lord?

How about a sign that Buddahs teachings are the only way to enlightenment be kind to all for they are the souls reincarnation of family past or “This world is a prison for the Faithful, but a Paradise for unbelievers.” from the Prophet Muhammad? Sorry I can't remember any Hindu quotes.

So why not go all out and we could dredge up quotes from some dead and almost dead religions. I read that some groups still worship Zeus.

You may say again it should be up to those who pay for the schools. So are you advocating that all taxpayers declare their religion? That would be sort of invasive IMHO. There is already a complaint from someone at the school of a different faith than Christianity.

The only way one could say there isn't a bias with posting religious quotes is to equally post quotes from all religions.

Or......we could leave religion for church and homes and keep all religious dogma or propaganda out of public school and concentrate on teaching the skills and information that is necessary for children to have successful lives.



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 02:19 AM
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As a devout Christian, i believe this may be a bit over the top. I see nothing wrong with school prayers, Bible verses, we are in the South after all, but no student should be reprimanded or embarrassed for his/her religious beliefs. Students should not be forced to write that on exams either. I love the Lord Jesus Christ with as much love as i can muster, but there is no point in forcing students to declare things they may not believe in as it does them no good any way.

Instead, the school should show loving tolerance.

The school should teach science that is required, but if the teacher wants to interject a tid bit of information about possible creationism i see nothing wrong with that either, but it shouldn't be forced. After all, the bible isn't about proof, it's about hope. It's all we have.

Would Muslim teachings offend me if they were doing it at my child's school? Yes, as it isn't our culture. Christianity is heavily in the Southern culture, but no faith should be persecuted for their beliefs. That's not the churches place.

The school shouldn't have pictures of Christ any way as the bible tells you not to draw things in heaven as we do not know what they look like.
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posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 11:44 AM
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Text This is indoctrination at its finest, where children are rewarded for professing Jesus is Lord and punished for thinking any differently. They even have questions on tests where the children are punished if they don't answer with Christian dogma in mind!
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Is this just another Christian bashing thread? Seems like this is the pass time of nonconformists now days.

You did not give specifics at all. Is this a private school ? What is the name and place of this school? You are so vague in facts that it would be impossible to check this out with the information that you give. Who are these people that you refer to as (They)? I could not really believe all of what you have said without verification of this being true. And exactly who are you that you are so upset as to put this on ATS as fact?

Are you as upset with Muslim murderers as you seem to be with loving people such as Christians? Sorry, it just doesn't add up in my way of thinking. Did you shout as loud in protest to the Arabs who slaughtered over 3,000 souls in 9/11? I believe you have another agenda other than what you are trying to portray.



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 11:57 AM
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Sabine Parish School, it's right in the byline of the OP article.



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 12:02 PM
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TextPublic schools never shoved atheism down my throat.... And no, teaching science and math is not cramming atheism down ones' throat
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But did public schools ever cram Christianity down your throat? That is the question isn't it? Be whatever you want to be; as long as you do not tread on others.



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 12:06 PM
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Not mine, no. I went to school in NY though, not in that district.



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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People who see intellectualism and critical thinking as an attack on faith are missing the point. It's a way of logical thinking and approaching problems... it teaches how to think, not what to think... schools should teach children to critically think, the facts taught are secondary.

Exactly.

School is for teaching kids how to learn. What ever happened to the "life-long learner" and "adult continuing education" stuff?

It's still around, but one has to seek it out. It's the people who don't want critical thinking and questioning of the status quo who are pushing for 'religious education.' Scary. IMO.



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 12:37 PM
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wildtimes
It's the people who don't want critical thinking and questioning of the status quo who are pushing for 'religious education.' Scary. IMO.


Any evidence of this?

It is well known that indoctrination is not only a product of the religious, just look to any communist regime. Maybe you should look up Hank Dodd's investigation into the non-profits developing the school curriculum for the US from a few decades ago.

Where I come from it is the religious schools which provide the highest quality of education and students.

There is anecdotal evidence to justify just about anything so it would be wise to demonstrate some discretion when making wide sweeping accusatory claims such as yours.

-FBB



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 02:21 PM
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My "agenda" is to bring this school's clear breaking of Constitution to light. Sorry if you see this as an attempt to bash Christians, but I think that is your bias showing. I'd be just as outraged if some other religion was doing the same and I'm sure you would be too.

I guess since it's your certain faith that's doing it that means it's ok? Not surprising really.

No surprise that you didn't bother reading any of the links posted either because otherwise you'd know the specifics. What's YOUR agenda here exactly? To dismiss this because it's Christianity that's the culprit? Seems that way to me.
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posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 03:01 PM
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Seede



Text This is indoctrination at its finest, where children are rewarded for professing Jesus is Lord and punished for thinking any differently. They even have questions on tests where the children are punished if they don't answer with Christian dogma in mind!
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Are you as upset with Muslim murderers as you seem to be with loving people such as Christians? Sorry, it just doesn't add up in my way of thinking. Did you shout as loud in protest to the Arabs who slaughtered over 3,000 souls in 9/11? I believe you have another agenda other than what you are trying to portray.


what a strange and obnoxsious thing to say! So in your words, if someone does not agree with Christian Dogma, we support the terroisist from 911? I'm sure, like many other ATS members 3NLight was appalled at the atrocisty on 911. How is that statement anything to do with the OP. 

Also you mention Christian Bashing in your post, have you seen how many threads started by your fellow Christians bash the Gay community and use their religion to do so. Seems to me that it's ok to bash but not to be bashed.

We would all get along much better if religion was something kept in the privacy of your own home and places of worship.

As the OP says, religion and state should be kept separate, the school teacher in the OP needs to be fired for the way she discriminated against her student by mocking his religion in front of other students. Not very Christian of her was it? 



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 03:14 PM
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Yup. The government hates the competition. What's the difference between cramming Christianity down people's throats and cramming a statist world view down peoples throats. Ever tried to bring up an alternative view to Global Warming in a school environment? It's not allowed. School children are taught to sing pro-Obama songs. Grade schoolers are taught how to put a condom on a banana....the list goes on and never stops. The public schools are propaganda machines for the state.



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 03:17 PM
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schuyler
Yup. The government hates the competition. What's the difference between cramming Christianity down people's throats and cramming a statist world view down peoples throats. Ever tried to bring up an alternative view to Global Warming in a school environment? It's not allowed. School children are taught to sing pro-Obama songs. Grade schoolers are taught how to put a condom on a banana....the list goes on and never stops. The public schools are propaganda machines for the state.


Please cite sources for those claims. Not that I see anything wrong with teaching a child how to properly apply a condom, I certainly don't remember being taught their usage with bananas. Also Obama songs? Really? REALLY? At least make your claims a little more believable, Obama only has 2 more years in the White House, even if this were true, the songs would be useless come 2017.



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 04:12 PM
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Sure. Here's an article on Obama Songs from 2009 The vids are completely gone, but the lyrics to many are provided for your viewing enjoyment. here's an example:


Hello, Mr. President we honor you today!
For all your great accomplishments, we all [do? doth??] say “hooray!”
Hooray Mr. President! You’re number one!
The first Black American to lead this great na-TION!
Hooray, Mr. President something-something-some
A-something-something-something-some economy is number one again!
Hooray Mr. President, we’re really proud of you!
And the same for all Americans [in?] the great Red White and Blue!
So something Mr. President we all just something-some,
So here’s a hearty hip-hooray a-something-something-some!
Hip, hip hooray! (3x)


Now isn't that a fun little song to teach your kids? It reminds me of "Hooray, Big Brother!" Change a few words and you could teach it in North Korea. And here's a nice article on national Standards for sex education for elementary schoolers as young as age 5. cnsnews.com...

Nope. You're right. I didn't find the banana condom, but, as you well know, that wasn't my major point. The POINT is that public school is a propaganda machine for government designed to promote whatever the government decides is appropriate. It's typical left wing socialist-leaning propaganda. Cramming same-sex marriage down children's throats is NO DIFFERENT than "cramming Christianity down children's throats."



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 05:09 PM
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flammadraco
We would all get along much better if religion was something kept in the privacy of your own home and places of worship.


Are you going to provide any evidence to back this claim up?

I am curious if you or OP would have any qualms if the school were teaching the hard line atheist line of no religion ever, no God, gods or after-life? That is opposed to not broaching the subjects at all.

-FBB

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It was NORMAN DODD, I don't know how I turned Frank into Hank . . .
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