reply to post by LurkingRelentlessly
"getting robbed, raped, or violently attacked is acceptable so long as you dont die from it"
I don't think anyone has claimed anything of the sort. Are such crimes non-existant in the US just because you have The Right to Bear Arms?
i guess thats why you folks live over there, and i live over here.
You can't seriously believe that is the ONLY reason or even the primary reason any of us live where we do, do you?
reply to post by NavyDoc
1). Surveillance does not stop anyone form being killed, it makes apprehending the criminal alter easier.
It certainly doesn't eliminate it, but I'd suggest that it certainly prevents a certain number of pre-meditated murders just as it prevents a
certain number of other pre-meditated crimes in general.
2). You would seriously prefer an Orwellian society where everyone is watched, all of the time?
I think there's some sort of misconception regarding the number of surveillance camera's in the UK and their monitoring etc.
The vast majority of camera's are privately owned, mainly businesses of every description.
Images are recorded on to hard drives or other storage equipment and are only viewed when it is suspected that a crime has been committed or
disciplinary actions have occurred.
The vast majority goes unviewed and are wiped after a period of time, normally between 7 - 28 days.
Images are not sent to some sort of central viewing area where 'the government' or anyone else views, monitors and regulates our every movement.
Sure, there are some camera's that are for traffic control and monitoring which can be accessed for other purposes if an offense has been committed
that the camera may have captured. And most local authorities have a small number of camera's situated in town / city centre's, usually where the
majority of bars are, which can be monitored.
I have no doubt there is a potential to misuse and abuse CCTV etc, and I don't doubt for one minute that there have been instances of it happening.
Which is why their usage needs to be monitored on a regular basis by independent bodies to ensure no infringements on civil liberties occur.
But it would be erroneous to the extreme to allege that their presence hasn't had an impact on the number of violent crimes which contrary to what
many may have you believe is actually going down.
An interesting report on crime figures in the UK;
I've ran my own pubs, had my own security firm and I still spend a lot of time in pubs and work the odd door and I can tell you from first hand
experience that violence in pubs has reduced significantly over recent years and I'd venture to say that a lot of that is down to the presence of
CCTV in nearly every single licensed premises.
Comparing UK and US statistics is apple and pears.
Slightly off topic I know but I hope that helps clear some of the popular misconceptions.