reply to post by Antigod
Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated.
Since you are clearly anti gun I really need to ask the question. Which group of people do you want exterminated?
reply to post by lonegurkha
Here's a good reminder of what gun control is all about.Paul Harvey
Something to think about
While the middle east had guns coming out of the wazoo and had to put up with vicious regimes that murdered dissidents for decades. Guns do not equate to civil liberty or personal safety.
Communication systems are the key to the populace being empowered and safe from dictators. Keeping the army engaged with the civillian population is also key. As is freedom of speech and a fuctioning free media. A large empowered middle class is also crucial, which is why you see civil rights in East Asia become better as their middle classes increase.
Guns do squat. In the UK we watch the level of gun crime and then the way your authorites treat your population and shake our heads in disbelief.
Keeping the army engaged with the civillian population is also key.
In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild West” showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.
The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.
Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.
By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city’s crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township’s crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000.
This was not what some predicted.
Read more at www.wnd.com...
reply to post by 727Sky
Two factors in the prevalence of knife crimes: Stealth & Silence. You get neither when a handgun is employed.
TBH I am sick of hearing from our UK cousins how they figure we should live.
They got their asses handed to them in 1776, and their puny attempt to rule the entire world is defunct.
Violent crime is rife in the UK and assaults are numerous as anywhere.....
Their cops carry submachine guns at the airports and they have flying squads of armed police.
The whole freakin country is covered with TV cameras and they are one of the most spied upon nations.
Why cant they fix their own problems before ranting to us about their gun Theories which do not fit the situation here.
The uk is a nation that is packed with people.
We have near limitless spaces and the police are far from showing up in time to do aught but bag n tag the bodies....
Truth be known its our OWN business!
reply to post by Antigod
That is some weird thinking and I'll explain why. England has one of the lower homicide rates in the world, per capita, but then, SO does the United States. 4x's is a little disingenuous unless we have the scale to work from in putting that with some context.
The UK is 1.2 and the US is 4.7. That's a whopper of a difference, if it were a sliding 10 point scale or something. It's not though...and the US ranks on the lower (better) end of middle from nations with FAR greater firearms control than we have, if that's the factor to be looking at... Among those with more killing than we experience here?
The Ukraine at 5.2
British Virgin Islands at 8.4 (8x's the overall UK!)
Russia at 10.2
Bermuda at a scary 12.3
North Korea at 15.2
Kenya at 20.1
Tanzania at 24.5 (GASP!)
South Africa at 31.8
and taking the top at a very busy 91.6 is Honduras. A rough place by those figures and 90 or so times more dangerous than the UK...
Per capita numbers are useful, but only in context..in my view.
Source: Wikipedia Listing of UNODC Data charts
reply to post by Antigod
So you compare your caste society all stuck in an area the size of texas to a country of mostly people from EVERYWHERE and say that about blades?
Good,by God I actually prefer blades,one good poke and its over no muss no fuss. Yeak I grew up with guns and Of course the cav but knives are better.
We are the gun people. We WLL KEEP them, thank you soooo much for your concern.
Just let me know when you figure out how to disarm ALLLLLL the bad guys and I won't need guns any more.
I believe which society we're talking about is important, and I'd assume the OP is talking about the US. For instance, if adding concealed handguns to England or Italy or Japan? I think there would be disaster on a stick. They are societies totally and absolutely unaccustomed to widespread private ownership of firearms, let alone carry in public.