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When Will We Stand Up and Say, "No more!"?

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posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 06:30 PM
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I am 21 years old and have just began, seriously,searching out what is going on in this country. There are many injustices and it seems like there will be more if nothing is done about them.

But, we DO have power! Our input is worthy to be listened to. It's as though we have forgotten that we live under a democracy and that the government shouldn't have as much control as they have.

When do we say,"No more!", our lives and our childrens lives are being taken away for NO good reason. To tell it like it is, war scars all who have lived through it, and scars the families of the soldiers who have passed.

I know that all of us have something they want to proclaim, something that gets to the core of our hearts. We all know that wrong things are happening and many suffer because of this.

What will it take for our fires to be lit?! When will we stand together as a people. It's time for us to not only wake up, but get up! We have to push for change.

I have already started to contact my legislators about a specific issue that I am passionate about, but I know that I have to do more.

Whatever your passion is, it's there for a reason. If your passion is about equality, you have the ability to push for more equality. If you have passion concerning healthcare, retirement, better representation, etc... you have the power to push for all these issues. Don't sit back on your passions because there is power behind it. We have more power than we think.




posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 06:45 PM
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That is what I was waiting for. That's the spark, classygirl.

When the people feel that they need to make a statement in America, they hold caucuses. Caucuses are essentially BIG meetings of people. They are a form of DEMOCRACY.

When America was young, men held caucuses to discuss the formation of things like the continental congress, the rasing of militias, and the organization of the early state. The Caucus is how free men and women gather to express their authority over the government.

Let us form a caucus. Let us begin a digital political party. Let us form ourselves a new refuge from the environment that our generation understands better than any other. Let it be done! It can be a forum like this one, and it can be free.

If a caucus gathers and the people bring up things like the patriot act, the war in iraq, and condemn them, and demand that congress act to remove these things and restore the rightful rule of the people, then we can do so. Congress can end the war in iraq, it can kill the foolish patriot acts, and it can reign in this president. It has failed to do any of these things. Congress is not doing the will of the people - it is allowing a president to railroad his foolhardy policies without any sort of dissention.

We need to hold caucus and grab the congress by its ear, and reform their attitudes towards these very distubing trends in our executive branch

That is the tool you are looking for.

Arkaleus



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 06:48 PM
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Im all for it
How about hooking us up with some of those links you have Classygirl?
They should be avaliable for all whoe are intrested in change



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by Classygirl
I am 21 years old and have just began, seriously,searching out what is going on in this country. There are many injustices and it seems like there will be more if nothing is done about them.

But, we DO have power! Our input is worthy to be listened to. It's as though we have forgotten that we live under a democracy and that the government shouldn't have as much control as they have.

When do we say,"No more!", our lives and our childrens lives are being taken away for NO good reason. To tell it like it is, war scars all who have lived through it, and scars the families of the soldiers who have passed.

I know that all of us have something they want to proclaim, something that gets to the core of our hearts. We all know that wrong things are happening and many suffer because of this.

What will it take for our fires to be lit?! When will we stand together as a people. It's time for us to not only wake up, but get up! We have to push for change.

I have already started to contact my legislators about a specific issue that I am passionate about, but I know that I have to do more.

Whatever your passion is, it's there for a reason. If your passion is about equality, you have the ability to push for more equality. If you have passion concerning healthcare, retirement, better representation, etc... you have the power to push for all these issues. Don't sit back on your passions because there is power behind it. We have more power than we think.


Uhmmm, We just had an election and "the people" made their preferences known.

Bush wins! Bush wins! Bush wins! (In my best Harry Carry impersonation)



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4
Uhmmm, We just had an election and "the people" made their preferences known.




"the people" being the Whitehouse, the criminal gang in Washington, corrupt electoral officials and compliant voting machine manufacturers?

To support the site motto you could keep up with the FOI requests and progress with recounts. Or, to do as you are, continue in unfounded jubilation over the continued slide of the USA out of "democracy" and into police state totalitarianism.

Although, I guess, some readers never get enough of corruption and cheering on the decimation of civil rights in the US.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 07:21 PM
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The biggest fraudelant election in our lifetimes, but its ok, its Bush who won. He gonna save us.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
The biggest fraudelant election in our lifetimes, but its ok, its Bush who won. He gonna save us.


Or so 51 % of the people believe
Its good to know that at least close to half of us can see him for what he really is.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger
The biggest fraudelant election in our lifetimes, but its ok, its Bush who won. He gonna save us.

Or so 51 % of the people believe



To be precise, that is the unofficially reported percentage of people eligible to vote who voted . Not 51% of the American populace.

The vast majority of the American population are either ineligible to vote, voted for a candidate other than Bush, are too apathetic to vote, or went to vote but were prevented from voting.

The true proportion of voters who voted for any candidate is subject to audit and not to be determined before December 12.

Deny ignorance.


[edit on 21-11-2004 by MaskedAvatar]



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 07:51 PM
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MaskedAvatar


Put your paddle away, point taken
I stand corrected.
I should have said:
"Or so 51% of people voting believe
"



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 08:58 PM
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The freedom loving people did get up and voted to keep Bush in office, those who didn't vote voted to stay the course or else they would have voted for the other guy.

A no vote is a vote---therefore a vast majority voted for Bush.

Those who didn't want Bush are the minority.

Democracy is all about the majority vote---obviously the left doesn't like democracy.

That's why most free loving Americans voted out of office many left-wing Democrats and gave the Republicans the majority in both houses.

For those who don't like the way democracy works---sorry because that is the only system America has.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 09:27 PM
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The results of all the Diebold electronic voting machines--having no paper audit trail--are suspected of having fixed the election totally--since they made up approximately half the states' ballots.

Nobody elected Bush this time but his daddy's cronies--not the voters.

It was a vote-scam.

Really. That's my take on it.




posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 09:28 PM
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Let all the Liberial Socialists move to the Left Coast and all the Conservatives move to the Right Coast and every one can destroy the country in the way they see fit!



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 09:32 PM
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Masked Avatar, you're right. Apathetic to vote. I work with hundreds and only a handful voted. Amazing they were turning out to vote in "droves"



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Hawker
Let all the Liberial Socialists move to the Left Coast and all the Conservatives move to the Right Coast and every one can destroy the country in the way they see fit!
There's a solution for ya! When the bomb drops, it should be on your side as well.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by sleeper

1. A no vote is a vote---therefore a vast majority voted for Bush.

2. Those who didn't want Bush are the minority.

3. Democracy is all about the majority vote---obviously the left doesn't like democracy.



1. Wrong. A no vote is a no vote.

2. Wrong. The group who did not want and do not want Bush includes people who were prevented from voting, people who queued to vote for hours but were forced to depart without exercising their democratic right, and people who voted for candidates other than Bush but whose votes counted for Bush, as well as people who did not vote because they chose not to vote.

3. Wrong. Democracy is not about "the majority vote". It is about representation of the people. There are many proportionate systems that do not work on a pure "majority vote" in modern democracies throughout the world. The American electoral system is an example of an outmoded one.

While your answers may represent an "F" grade, I think ATS enables you to resit at times.




posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
The results of all the Diebold electronic voting machines--having no paper audit trail--are suspected of having fixed the election totally--since they made up approximately half the states' ballots.

Nobody elected Bush this time but his daddy's cronies--not the voters.

It was a vote-scam.

Really. That's my take on it.




So with that logic Clinton got in because his cronies wanted him, and not the American voter? Are you still in grade school?



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 09:57 PM
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3. Wrong. Democracy is not about "the majority vote". It is about representation of the people. There are many proportionate systems that do not work on a pure "majority vote" in modern democracies throughout the world. The American electoral system is an example of an outmoded one.

While your answers may represent an "F" grade, I think ATS enables you to resit at times.




Your answers are typical of Socialist and Communist beliefs, American democracy is the best in the world---and that's why most people hate us---its called envy.

Bush was voted in by the majority---and if all those people you speak of that got turned away or whatever problem they had---had voted, Bush might have won by a bigger margin.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by MaskedAvatar

3. Wrong. Democracy is not about "the majority vote". It is about representation of the people. There are many proportionate systems that do not work on a pure "majority vote" in modern democracies throughout the world. The American electoral system is an example of an outmoded one.

While your answers may represent an "F" grade, I think ATS enables you to resit at times.





Your answers are typical of Socialist and Communist beliefs, American democracy is the best in the world---and that's why most people hate us---its called envy.

Bush was voted in by the majority---and if all those people you speak of that got turned away or whatever problem they had---had voted, Bush might have won by a bigger margin.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by sleeper
[American democracy is the best in the world---and that's why most people hate us---its called envy.

Bush was voted in by the majority---and if all those people you speak of that got turned away or whatever problem they had---had voted, Bush might have won by a bigger margin.


Well, you are starting to "wake up" to electoral problems, but there is not much understanding of the categories of voters who are deliberately impeded and disenfranchised in urban areas by corrupt electoral officials, so perhaps you might learn some more.

Here's a place to start:

www.blackboxvoting.org...

Be sure to get an understanding of the hundreds of ways that voters have been denied their democratic right to vote before you dig yourself further into your mistaken position that a democracy exists in the US.

There is nothing whatsoever to be envied in the current American form of the misnomer "democracy", at all. Not by anyone within or without the US, anywhere.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 10:50 PM
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3. Wrong. Democracy is not about "the majority vote". It is about representation of the people. There are many proportionate systems that do not work on a pure "majority vote" in modern democracies throughout the world. The American electoral system is an example of an outmoded one.


I agree.

Sleep, my freind, tell me, what exactly is the par excellence paradigm of a Democracy? What makes American democracy a cut above the rest?

The problem that I have with the American system of Government is the sheer amount of power that is granted to the Executive branch.

I would also like to see someone answer me this questions: Was Bush CHOSEN by the PEOPLE has a cadidate for the Presidency, or, was Bush CHOSEN FOR THE PEOPLE as a candidate for the Presidency..

Deep




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