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The sickening reality hits me that I should've been working on this post well before now, but we're finally "there." The moment I've been waiting--and working--for. It ain't an easy discussion. It HAS to be "non-denominational" so to speak. Otherwise the discussion would have imploded long ago and this thread would be a ghost town rather than a working community. Dysfunctional--as all families/communities are--but extant and viable. Even vibrant.
It probably doesn't matter too much whether we define the issue as aspects of the dualistic nature residing in our subconscious, or as a "spiritual" matter working itself out from recorded history. The elephant is in the room and has ALWAYS been with us. An ancient battle and one most easily framed as Pisces vs Aquarius. Or Yaweh vs Babylon. Or Enki vs Enlil. Or Humanism vs Spiritualistic. Whatever.
The grand chessboard is in play and the stakes are us pawns. Don't get me wrong, I don't contend we have zero power, but I do contend that--so far--"other" hands move us.
The various arguments are subtle and all have strengths as far as I'm concerned. I have little desire to pontificate, so much as define the parameters.
For me, a step back from the confusing microcosm of world events and direction becomes much clearer from the macrocosm. The grand play on the board is GLOBALISM. If you don't see that in the events playing out in our society, then my contention is that you aren't paying attention and/or haven't researched enough. I think most here see it, but it becomes a question of: Is it a good thing or a bad thing?
Is it a matter of a pseudo-control system vs the legitimate control system as jadedandcynical (and corsair, too, I think) contend? That's quite possible. Where the rubber hits the road--it seems to me--is defining WHICH side the grandmasters who are moving the pieces around are on. Maybe coming to a conclusion on that could give us our best clues on which to personally define the game for ourselves?
Having said all that, this discussion will probably have to deal with the "occult." Yet again: Don't let the term throw anyone off. It can be construed from your own viewpoint whether as a philosophical standpoint or spiritual…only recognizing that it does come into play.
Here, the “implicate order” of the second-order quantum field provides the vital energy structure and is the archetype for nature. It is a principal field, if not the ultimate essence of living beings, and can direct organic structure to be part of a network. Ultimately, the whole human system may be able to be influenced by the greater field which can be defined as a consciousness quantum field that works like a hologram in its ongoing expanding nature and where “image constructions” of super-consciousness also become known.
The part containing the whole, thus, becomes a dominant pattern in nature. What was once the greatest mystery of biology, the human body, is gradually yielding up its secrets. Humanity is more than flesh; it is a continuous transducer or “biotransducer” of energies which can transform our thoughts into both positive and negative events in life. We can grasp some aspects of how our mind works beyond the normal localized gathering, storage and retrieval of information when there are epiphany experiences or the unfoldment of knowledge beyond our normal senses. What is implied is that, through a greater consciousness network, we can gain access to information around the world, even to different consciousness universes. When we begin to become aware of the process, we discover that our minds are omnidirectional. Understanding our interconnectedness releases us from our limitations and makes us part of the greater totality.
A person who is able to become more aware of the field can ultimately move into more sophisticated levels of networking, and reach super-mentally into the quantum field to advanced or higher evolutionary consciousness we call “Mind-2” (Hurtak, 1973). It is fitting that the basic premise for the existence of a higher consciousness/quantum field may help change the old philosophical and theoretical beliefs of ‘this is all there is’ by the expanded knowledge of who we are as entities that can see and function beyond this reality. Only by the acceptance of higher levels of existence and a universal consciousness can we reach out to utilize the transduction mechanisms of the mental matrix and its recording patterns, to explain the ongoing nature of the universe around us.
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Now these so called aliens have demonstrably manifested occult powers and have dominated people in these abductions.
I contend the above formula is the conceptual and theoretical reason for this.
That is why the aviary boys are hanging around the Shaman looking for magical powers.
But, imo, they don’t realize that this is the very reason they don’t and can’t get magical powers that emanate from themselves other than outward physical things such as guns and atomic bombs and i-phones, etc.
They have to understand that these powers to the mystic are only by products of the quest to know God.
The basic problem with Valles “control system” relating to his people, the Governments and the aviary boys is that they can’t get that inward power all they can get is outward power that is very very transitory.
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Totally agree...It is highly probable based on the huge (sometimes contradictory) variability in 'experiences' that there is more than one 'type' or cause of all the phenomena we 'call' ufo/alien...