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Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

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posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 08:08 PM
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Bybyots
I can't imagine Jacques Vallee hankerin' for the next meeting with Whitley.

I know. Me, too. It's hard to fathom, but apparently the connection is strong and--as far as I know--there's been no public "divorce."

Does that suggest a 'narrative" being sold? That's one of the only two scenarios I can come up with----the other being that Doc Jock is somewhat of a sucker after all. Mebbe both.

At the very least it does suggest that Vallee has a connection to the esoteric/occult world as proffered in this thread and others.

Rereading Confrontations, I'm finding it very weak and have decided that Vallee, collectively in his body of UFO work, has given us very small--though very important--pieces of the puzzle with his IDH and the flip-side assertions about the intelligence community, the occult, and UFOs.

The rest tends to place him, imo, on some fairly shaky ground.


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posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 08:10 PM
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You know, you can talk about all the writers, all the diverse 'paths', and all the various workings, but what you most need to do is ask, "what is the common 'thread' running through it all?"

"Belief"

I think that when it comes to attempting 'magic', you have to 'believe it to see it'...
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posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 08:43 PM
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Are you saying Vallee speaks loudly but carries a little stick?

If so, I would agree.

Vallee often pleases the intellectual types with his standard anti-gov, anti-obsession, anti-cultic rhetoric.
But does he really know anything? Is he really what he pretends to be?
He may, but who knows.

In other words, all this talk still leads to the adventure of self knowledge being the final arbiter of what is true regarding these arcane metaphysical realities.



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 08:48 PM
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Belief is an integral part of existence, particularly in solving the mystery of our existence, from a philosophical level.

All these topics have that underlying them—philosophy, whether religious, metaphysical, magical, or scientific, therefore belief is prevalent.
Belief is a driver to knowledge

Though from a higher perspective of someone or something else belief may have another level of importance, such as on an energy level.



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 09:29 PM
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Willtell
Vallee often pleases the intellectual types with his standard anti-gov, anti-obsession, anti-cultic rhetoric.
But does he really know anything?

At least he isn't a fervent believer that the "Aliens" are coming to save us from ourselves. That's the realm of the "anti-intellectual-types," I guess?



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posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 09:58 PM
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Willtell
Though from a higher perspective of someone or something else belief may have another level of importance, such as on an energy level.


That's a very interesting point. The idea of certain actions (or people) being a sort of 'beacon' for weirdness is rather widespread.



posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 12:38 AM
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WillTell:


Though from a higher perspective of someone or something else belief may have another level of importance, such as on an energy level.


Autograf:


That's a very interesting point. The idea of certain actions (or people) being a sort of 'beacon' for weirdness is rather widespread.


Yes, I am in alignment with this, too. Now consider the tiny little voltages I mentioned, only 100mv. That gives a little insight maybe also in to how little energy it might take to throw things off in the cell membrane enough for a person to experience the aforementioned temporal lobe or amygdalic lability.

Did you know that Persinger's (who would have guessed?) Personal Philosophy Inventory can be used as a measurement for temporal lobe lability? These people in fact used it as part of this study.



Transliminality is ‘‘a hypothesized tendency for psychological material to cross thresholds into or out of consciousness,’’ which has been proposed to derive from hyperconnectivity between temporal-limbic structures and sensory association cortices. Accordingly, it might be expected that transliminality would positively correlate with temporal lobe lability.

As predicted, scores on transliminality showed a strong association with the general temporal lobe scale (r=0.72), as well as moderate correlations with a number of other scalar variables and individual items. The findings are consistent with the idea that transliminality is related to more ungated processing related to temporal lobe functioning, and furthermore that temporal lobe phenomenology promotes transliminal experiences with mystical or religious overtones.

Temporal Lobe Lability in the Highly Transliminal Mind*


It seems to me that all people have sensitive temporal lobes, and it also occurs to me that there must be great variety amongst all those people when it comes to the depth at which the temporal lobe is experienced, dare I say, utilized.

I have attempted to emphasize this piece before, I am asking the thread generally: now do you see it?

As far as bringing this piece of the puzzle (the key piece, in my opinion) before you all, I have to make myself clear: it is life experience that allows me to make the connection in the way that I have, and admittedly, I have been working hard in school, but I am no neuroscientist, I am no expert in this. That's why I see our challenge as one involving greatly asymmetric opponents, and it will take all of us to even inch forward.

The reality of temporal lobe lability being the basis for the narratives that people have brought back to us from their experiences is a harsh and brutal one. Many long held beliefs must die, in the incarnations by which we presently know them. Many Sacred Cows will be slain and we will feast on the sustenance that they provide so that we may get to wherever this is taking us.

I know in my heart it is a better place than where our current list of freaks have taken us.

Except Jacques, we eat him last. I am currently planning a feast around the carcass of Carlos Castaneda ( I've been saying that for nearly two years; it's coming. very soon).



* Brief Report: Transliminality, Thin Boundaries, Unusual Experiences,and Temporal Lobe Lability
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posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 12:47 AM
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So I need to get a tDCS rig...



posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 05:49 AM
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I think what you suggest was known in ancient times, and was symbolized by the Almond.

Prunus Amygdalus


n the Hebrew Bible, the almond was a symbol of watchfulness and promise due to its early flowering. In the Bible the almond is mentioned ten times, beginning with Book of Genesis 43:11, where it is described as "among the best of fruits". In Numbers 17 Levi is chosen from the other tribes of Israel by Aaron's rod, which brought forth almond flowers. According to tradition, the rod of Aaron bore sweet almonds on one side and bitter on the other; if the Israelites followed the Lord, the sweet almonds would be ripe and edible, but if they were to forsake the path of the Lord, the bitter almonds would predominate. The almond blossom supplied a model for the menorah which stood in the Holy Temple, "Three cups, shaped like almond blossoms, were on one branch, with a knob and a flower; and three cups, shaped like almond blossoms, were on the other...on the candlestick itself were four cups, shaped like almond blossoms, with its knobs and flowers"


The word for Almond in Eastern Europe especially amongst the Jews is Migdal, from the Greek, also were Mary Magdalene came from. but something of an extended interpretation. The Hebrews liked the play on words between Shaqed, meaning Almond tree, and Shoqed, meaning 'watch', shockingly enough.

Migdal Israel

An important symbol then of inner illumination, even the Sarmatian Dragon Kings knew this and had split Almond fruits upon the Crown, so it's all in the head or worn upon it in terms of recognition.

The Italian for the Almond nut is Mandorla.

Mandorla symbols in Psychotherapy
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posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 11:33 AM
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Vallee could never project such a belief, for he is the proverbial scientific skeptic who doesn’t believe in sky-god myths of saviors and holy ones in the sky.
Eventhough he was running around with Anton LaVey. So he may believe in saviors from Hell!


Also as a Frenchmen, where there was at one point a Masonic lodge on every corner, he may be into some form of masonry.



posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 11:44 AM
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What we have to be very very careful of, imo, is the ones who so readily fit the mold of something.

The Nazi like lunatic in Dr Strangelove riding that atomic bomb in his cowboy hat yelling yeeha as he went into oblivion.
This guy was a Manchurian candidates dream and creation.

Then you have the standard left wingers, Barack Obama for one, who are also likely Manchurian candidates in some form, as well the too good to be true Alex Jones types.

All these kinds are molded from a thematic lab somewhere and with all due respect Jacques Vallee, imo, is one of these molds.

Too good to be true and too bad to be believed!



posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 12:13 PM
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Haha. touche, good sir. Love both them posts. Something is certainly fishy in Denmark...but I still ain't looking for alien white hat cowboys! Sneaky buggers if you ask me. Then again, I'm on the verge of believing it's all temporal lobe seizures.



posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 02:45 PM
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Well, I feel like I must be the stupidest person ever to post on ATS, but I have to be honest...

I cannot get clear on what you are trying to say in this post...
Is the "piece of the puzzle" the fact that paranormal events are nothing more than temporal lobe seizures?

When you say, "it is life experience that allows" you to make this connection, are you saying you've 'experienced' something 'paranormal', which turned out only to be the result of a seizure?

Who are the "greatly asymmetric opponents"?

And what exactly do you mean by 'eating' these writers (Castaneda, et al)?


Could you bring what you've been trying to express down to preschool level?



posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 08:18 PM
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I did not know previously that there was a connection between Jacques Vallee and Whitley Strieber, but I guess it does not entirely surprise me. Both seem to have been selected, directed and/or given the green light to promote certain 'styles' of belief in UFOs. Except that Vallee seems to be a more unwilling messenger of deception and tries to hint at certain truths hidden throughout his diaries and in various other places (like his story Fastwalker and his consultation with Steven Spielberg on the movie 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind').

In 2010, Whitley Strieber revealed some startling secrets for his UnknownCountry.com subscribers, following an explosive series of interviews he did on the subject of mind control, child abuse and covert operations.

Whitley Strieber's Dreamland - Intellgence Community Child Abuse - Jon Rappoport, Peter Levenda & Nick Bryant


We begin a two week exploration of whether or not children have ever been utilized by US intelligence agencies in abusive programs. Have children been the victims of brainwashing, drug and mind control experiments?

There is more evidence right now that children have been abused in secret experiments than there was that adults were fed plutonium prior to Eileen Welsome's publication of the Plutonium Experiments.

That book won her a Pulitzer Prize and led to a presidential apology to the victims of those experiments.

It has proved more difficult to find hard evidence of official child abuse, in part due to the ferocious defense the intelligence community has mounted, and in part due to the work of organizations that claim that childhood memories of abuse are invalid.

Listen carefully to this and next week's shocking programs. Somewhere, there must be an investigative reporter with the capability of doing for the victims of this abuse what Eileen Welsome did for the plutonium experiment victims.


A lot of in-depth information about very mysterious child abductions that are associated with the intelligence communities, FBI and CIA, and also to Strategic Air Command and the military. Conspiracies such as 'The Finders', 'The Franklin Scandal' and much about mind control.

But what the most infamous and well-known "alien abductee" had to say, for the first time in public, was shocking and very telling. He speaks of memories of his own childhood involvement in Air Force schools, particularly of one in Monterrey, Mexico which was the same school that the abducted children in the hands of CIA-operatives were said to be going to.


"For years, I have grappled with strange memories from early childhood that suggested involvement in some sort of abusive program. But I was never sure what these memories meant, until, in December of 2009, I received corroboration that has shocked me deeply."

Listen as Whitley details his memories, and also discusses just why it is that he feels that organizations like the False Memory Syndrome Foundation are not to be trusted.

There is evidence that children have been abused in efforts to induce split personalities, among other things.

What Whitley has to say will shock you. It will anger you. But it will also inform you about a hidden area of life that cannot continue to be overlooked, and a practice that must be stopped.


I think we are beginning to see significant aspects of the elusive 'Control System' coming to light. The spreading of darkness at the speed of light? Something like that. I am sure we are all aware of the competing theories for aliens and UFOs and how some proponents are hyping up a friendly, 'they're here to help us with technology' strain versus the negative and sinister aspect - "they are completely ruthless" etc.

Whitley Strieber is well-known in the New Age community to try to promote things like meditation and higher states of consciousness, and yet on the flip side he is writing novels which are described as 'horror fiction' and tries to pass most of them off as being based on real life experiences and things that are going to happen.

In his book 'War For Souls' the scenario of a sinister alien invasion from a parallel Earth reality is laid out. The idea there was that in a neighboring dimension of Earth, the souls of the majority of the population are sucked out by hungry reptilian aliens.

Excerpts from Chapter 3 of 'War For Souls'


People everywhere were taking the horrific business that was unfolding in the world to mean that the soul was real. No less a luminary than the physicist Sir Roger Penfold had called it "the profound organ" because of the way it appeared to control memory and emotion. Given that it consisted exclusively of electrons, the belief that it was immortal had turned out to be entirely correct. Energy is indeed immortal. But could it be conscious in its own right outside of the body, or remain a coherent structure after death?"



Clearly, though, the removal of the soul was hell on the organism, and it was hell here in Kansas tonight, and maybe across the entire country, but before communications had failed, the real hell had been unfolding in the jam-packed, exposed third world, with swarms of the discs gushing each night like vast formations of locusts out of the fourteen great, black lenses that ringed the world, and people by the millions being torn apart in this strange new way night after hellish night.


Once these people's souls had been removed, they became "Wanderers" and drifted to collection points. I never actually finished that book.

But an interesting synchronicity occurred when Strieber was in the midst of promoting this book, parallel to the hype up for 2012. He invited Daniel Pinchbeck on his show, who is entirely opposed to the promotion of a sinister human future and Pinchbeck confronted Strieber on Dreamland and a huge fight broke out. Remember the title of Strieber's book: War For Souls.

Alien Dreamtime: My Fight with Whitley Strieber


The discussion then turned in a different direction. I noted that, from my reading of Strieber’s work, I suspected that Strieber was influenced by the force that the visionary philosopher Rudolf Steiner called “Ahriman,” the evil spirit who pulls humanity down into minerality, materiality, sterile technology, and extinction. As I also noted in 2012, I told Strieber that I thought he had been manipulated by alien entities that do not have the best interests of the human species at heart. Communion is ultimately the story of Strieber’s seduction by those entities he calls the “visitors” often known as the Grays. He notes that he was going to call the book “body terror,” but changed the name to “Communion” when one of them told him to do this, speaking through his wife, while she slept. He also describes how the visitors were able to make him drink a bitter substance, by feeding it to him at different junctures over time. As anyone knows who has studied fairytales and fables, to drink the potion of the other world is to become entranced and overwhelmed by the beings that inhabit it.

On a subliminal or subconscious level, Strieber appears to have made a Faustian pact with these Mephistophelean entities, and unfortunately he is helping disseminate their negative and destructive frequency into human culture and consciousness, at this point in time. The worldwide phenomenon of the alien abduction narrative suggests the possibility that these entities have a plan – that they are actively preparing a deviated future scenario for their human victims.



posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 08:34 PM
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In Chapter Four, 'The Poisoner', by Whitley Strieber, he writes the following:


Wanderers. It was worse than dying. But why was this being done to them and where were they going? Martin was right about one thing - they were certainly on their way to designated locations. Collection points, though - he was just guessing about that. Maybe they were going to gas chambers or something.

"This is not real", he said, "I refuse to let this be real".

Maybe he wasn't recording events in the other human universe, but creating them. Maybe he was an instrument of the reptilians, and maybe that was why they had come into his life five years ago. They had done something to him. Prepared him. But how?

He knew that supple movement between parallel universes was involved with belief and the lack thereof. By continuing to deny that UFOs were real, our own version of NASA had saved us - at least, so far.



posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 09:07 PM
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Well...this sure got dark fast. I should point out the above fits into the narrative pushed by the Collins Elite...

Woo boy.



posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 09:14 PM
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Corsairs posts are instructive, indeed, BUT

What we have to understand, imo, is that the massive child abuse is probably taking place through the mass media: TV, movies, internet, education, politics, “ freedom” etc… they may be creating a nation of massive insanity through abusing young people by exposing them to this barrage of violence, mix messages, and “ freedom”

Freedom to do what?

Look at the youths going into schools and malls with guns.

And they wonder why in alien abductions they are examining the human being!



posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 09:16 PM
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You don’t have to believe anything. The proof is in the pudding, but what one doesn’t believe, and how they view that, reveals them to be of a certain mind as much as what they do believe.



posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 09:19 PM
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GUT DOESN’T BELIEVE THAT POST. He is only mirroring my post which his spirit knows was tongue in a big cheek
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posted on Mar, 6 2014 @ 09:41 PM
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I just want to point out my own take on the mass proliferation of complete garbage on television and elsewhere. Much of that is just coming from humanity's own self-destruction. Our societal institutions and religions are bankrupt and depriving the soul of nourishment, we are overcrowding the world and irritating each other - thus the endless CSI and NCIS shows and violence in the world in general and seen on the news.

But it isn't ALL negative - it's just hard to see that sometimes. Most people seem to be functioning just fine and living well-to-do lives. Some people and families are hit harder and our consciousness is being impacted by a constant barrage of negativity on television, but I see that as a societal bad habit more than a conspiracy.

I should point out, however, that movies like the recent 'Prisoner', which depict the exact same mind control, child abduction narrative as posted above, do have many hints spread throughout that give the indication of intelligence agencies mucking about. Playing the same game as I have mentioned. I think there is a dark force that wants to control the world population in its own way, which does seem to highlight the desire to reduce the world's population, corrupt its Christian roots and subvert it to its core and do away with much of it in the process.

Is this a death or a birth? I submit that it is both - like the phoenix that will emerge from the ashes, when all of the new paradigm solutions to the world's problems will arise out of the smouldering old civilization. Right now our society is profoundly stuck in the past, and our science is way behind. A grand transformation is necessary to reboot and revamp the way we do things, and perhaps a sinister and dark moment is what it will take to bring humanity to the brink so that we may change.

Ever seen The Day The Earth Stood Still?



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