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Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

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posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 12:25 AM
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Yes.. all systems reach equilibrium eventually..
at the minimal stable energy level with maximum
entropy.. unless it's an artificially controlled system.

As humans are both conscious agents and victims
of unconscious processing both natural equilibrium
and 'unnatural selection' by non-human agents
are both factors in the equation.

It would probably wind up being some sort of bell curve
if graphed.

KPB




posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 12:45 AM
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Here's a snippet from an interview with Vallee that I think is quite concise for purposes
of this topic:




I think that the basic breakthrough for me is to understand that the UFO phenomenon is not a system. If it was a system, we could probably understand it. We're very good at analyzing systems whether they're social systems, hardware systems, or physical systems. I think we're not getting anywhere because we need to look at a phenomena not as a system but as a meta-system.


Vallee Interview

So he's very clear about what he wants to do.. he wans to do what every human
who has ever lived wants to do.. on some level.. he wants to hack the operating
system an be God in a manner of speaking..

He wants to shake the building and make the projectionist fall off of his stool.
He wants to shoot particles into a black box until something squeeks.

only.. he will fail.

The reason that he can't accomplish what he wants, is that the non-system in
question is an immense pool of individual agents. Every agent has a bit of a
different 'personality'.

That's why after a UFO is sighted sometimes, it breaks into balls of light and
one light out of the many comes back to mess with one observer.. it's two
individuals interacting.. one 'energy blob' and one composite creature
(a human).

We humans won't be getting beyond the 'being-based model' for some time..
we won't get to crack the operating system. We'd be better off creating
a science of xeno-socioenergeticbiology and perhaps apply statistics
to the behavior of these entities.

What makes these entities so extra slippery, is that they are radically
colored by human activity.. all it takes is one hit movie and humans
are slightly reprogrmmed.. which slightly reprograms the entities..
as 'you are what you eat'.

KPB



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 01:31 AM
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I think Jacques's reference to the "Control System" was really the secret (and deadly) integration of the UFO phenomena and the military industrial complex. He knew, as Hynek did, that the only way to study it openly would be by adopting an observer only role, and not delve into the mechanics of where and how it was being manafested.

He realized that the deeper that he probed the governments knowledge of UFO's, the greater risk to his career, and life. He attacked the problem from the other end, by interviewing people and studying the effects that UFO encounters had on the public. It is just like he had said early on, "If I wanted to explore a computer, I would do it from the programmers perspective and see what it could do, and not worry about how it was made and how it worked.

He knew certainly well, that there were more likely extraterrestrials visiting this planet in some forms. He knew enough not to attempt to implicate anyone accused of hiding information, and that opened more doors to his research. If people are not threatened by methods attempting to expose them and what they know, they are more likely to give you useful information that you can collaborate to come up with the big picture.

I really respect the research of Jacques, as well as the work of Hynek. They were perhaps the only UFO investigators that really understood the enormity of the cover up, as well as the physical and spiritual nature, the true meanings, behind why ET was, and still is, here.



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 01:45 AM
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I think you are wrong and it is much simpler than what you describe to be honest.



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 02:32 AM
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Brotherman
reply to post by charlyv
 


I think you are wrong and it is much simpler than what you describe to be honest.


Well, this is good old ATS, and you are entitled to the opinion of your choice.

However, I do not think it could be much simpler than my synopsis, and this is of course, my opinion.

Additionally, if you want to drop a 'wrong' bomb, then perhaps some enlightening information would be helpful to support why you think so.



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 03:12 AM
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Damn that's good.

I tried to say something vaguely similar, but not nearly as accurately, nor half as articulately.



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 03:28 AM
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The Stargate Conspiracy makes for some disturbing reading. Suppose Hoagland was actually the attack on the control system...



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 03:48 AM
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cuckooold
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Damn that's good.

I tried to say something vaguely similar, but not nearly as accurately, nor half as articulately.


Thanks, that's awfully kind. I feel that Vallee is vague because fully explaining his theory would require an example, and all extant examples of queries submitted to the system would have been intel ops.

Non-disclosable.

Let's say that the control system imitates biology, it would then be self-organizing in nature, automated. Let's also say that UFOs are just the latest output of a long-standing system that somehow helps humans to regulate their societies. The uptake in UFO phenomenon (as well as other High Strangeness) could be considered a proportional response from a system compensating for an ever-increasing volume and variety of variables-- perhaps such a richness of input exceeds the system's processing capacity.

I dunno, I'm just spit-balling.


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posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 05:29 AM
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When I read the OP the first thing to come to my mind was Bostrom’s Simulation Argument.

I imagine most of you are familiar with the simulation argument by Nick Bostrom. Here’s a link to a site called the Simulation Argument with lots of info about it like FAQ, scholarly commentary, popular synopses, as well as a link to the original paper by Bostrom.

Some scientists at the University of Washington think we may be able to determine whether or not we’re part of a simulation, and have put forth some ideas on how to go about it. I read an article in US News some time ago about this, and I think it’s still accessible here.

Also, if you’re interested, here’s a link to something called the Clues Project. I just browsed it quickly, but it seems they’ve done some fairly large scale simulations of different areas and aspects of our universe.They used the supercomputing facilities at the Leibniz-Rechenzentrum Munich (LRZ), Barcelona Supercomputing Center (BSC) and the John von Neumann Institut for Computing (NIC) at Jülich.

As we’re doing the above sort of thing now, it kinda makes you wonder how sophisticated the simulations will be 100 years from now. If we can only figure out how to simulate a universe with encapsulated consciousnesses then it all becomes quite plausible. A powerful quantum computer with the capability to also model continuous (analog) processes might fit the bill, as well.

Hmmm...



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 10:32 AM
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KellyPrettyBear
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It's not our brains as much as you might think.

Call it tissue memory in our nerve plexuses.


That doesn't matter. Dr Persinger is using Sean Harribance to develop this 'Noosphere' technology, and Sean Harribance can read every bit of memory you have, wherever it happens to be. Harribance is absolutely amazing. Persinger has discovered a lot about psi by studying and experimenting with his brain.

We are very close to being able to form a Noosphere of every living brain on the planet, using the earths electromagnetic field and a little technology. From that, a living 'HUMAN HOLOGRAM' could emerge - each one of us, as a part of that, would be equal to the whole. I'm very excited about the possibilities. Unraveling the UFO enigma would be childs play.

Whatever we can imagine, we can do.








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posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 11:46 AM
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I don't want that future you speak about. It's ripe for abuse.

I do understand that humans have been evolving with technology since
day 1.. and that the most likely human future is near total or total
replacement with machine intelligence.

Only I don't want that future. We need to learn what we are and
realign with a healthy future arc before a machine future, or we
will all be perpetual slaves.

I dare say that it's one of those futures that is messing with us so
badly right now.. that yes, indeed some of those 'spirits' are machine
intelligences. And if I meet one of those intelligences it better
be very respectful or it will be eating circuit boards for lunch.

KPB



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 12:03 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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I don't want that future you speak about. It's ripe for abuse.

I do understand that humans have been evolving with technology since
day 1.. and that the most likely human future is near total or total
replacement with machine intelligence.

Only I don't want that future. We need to learn what we are and
realign with a healthy future arc before a machine future, or we
will all be perpetual slaves.

I dare say that it's one of those futures that is messing with us so
badly right now.. that yes, indeed some of those 'spirits' are machine
intelligences. And if I meet one of those intelligences it better
be very respectful or it will be eating circuit boards for lunch.

KPB



I've encountered machine intelligences too, very freaky stuff. It was quite a shock.

But for the record I don't envision a machine future. Neither does Dr Persinger. I envision a Noosphere future much more like Pierre Teilhard de Chardin than Roddenberry and his Borg.

We could do it without the technology that Dr Persinger is developing, but all the electromagnetic pollution we are blanketing the planet with is interfering with our psi. We need the earths electromagnetic field to be pure in order to do it naturally. The technology Dr Persinger is developing is about cutting through the interference so that we can do what comes naturally to consciousness.

I think its the only possible solution to not only the UFO enigma but every global problem that threatens our survival.

"Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire." -Pierre Teilhard de Chardin


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posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 12:16 PM
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The "Field" that matters is not electromagnetic.
It's more like perturbations in dark energy,
which seems to be the binding energy between
our 3D reality and the 'bulk' of the remainder.

When the perfect geometric form ruptures,
due to a breaking of symmetry into two
different dimensional spaces, this causes
an evolutionary event which leads to many
little beings forming.

This happens constantly.

Think of it as 'brane rupture' in the string
theory model. There was no 'big bang'.

The branes rupture because they are not
at the minimum lowest stable energy..
they are inherently unstable..

They constantly break symmetry into different
combinations of 9 dimensions.. usually
something like 3 and 6, but sometimes
something like 4 and 5 or even 5 and 5.
Not usually other ones.. as those other ones
don't tend to form black holes, which are
necessary for sentient life to evolve.

(black holes act as gateways to the timeless
whole, from whence the 'observer' interacts
with these symmetry-broken realities). The
'observer' isn't 'god' per se.. but I can see where
someone might think that..

Anyway.. just a little metaphysical cosmology.

Regular EM fields certainly CAN influence the
brain and nervous system.. but it's a corrupt
and dangerous line of research being promoted
by some of the very entities that I dislike greatly.

My 2 cents.

KPB


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posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 12:26 PM
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Great thread, I've read more pages of replies than I ever have before on ATS. Usually the OP, the first few replies, and then the last page to see where its gone over time it's plenty, but this is engrossing! I don't have much I can put into words on the topic yet, but a trip to the library after I can get myself off the internet and plow the driveway is in my near future. Looking forward to continuing reading through the rest I haven't gotten to yet!



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 12:28 PM
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Be that as it may, the correlation between the earths electromagnetic field and psi is rock solid. In addition, there is the correlation between the earths electromagnetic field and UFOs. Its something we can work with toward a solution. Fluctuating geomagnetic effects can lead to increased liminality and anomalous experiences. We could have an empathic, shamanic, enlightened populace. Awakened consciousness is the only way to end the trickster narrative.

We are in a free-fall into the future. All we can do is turn it into a voluntary dive.








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posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 12:28 PM
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I think one way to approach the testing would involve 3 markers. 1. Respond in the most likely way expected. 2. Respond in a way that would not be likely to be expected and 3. Do nothing. You would need a way to observe and document the reactions to each of these encounters. As he said it is a really tall order.



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 12:41 PM
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Why does it have to be a rupture of the membranes for a substance to enter another dimension? Wouldn’t a rupture be grossly apparent and would make if very difficult for exchange?

I think a transfer would be more likely an oozing, a passage of a substance from one side of the membrane into the other. This could even allow the substance for a brief period to be present in both dimensions at once, and also allow for the passage between the membranes at will, as long as the conditions are near optimal.



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 12:49 PM
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Something stinks on the ID theory. I can't put my finger on it as it's seems to backed by far more credible people then myself. I can't help after watching mirage men (before they pulled the video down) that there is just to much misinformation going around. Another thing that still makes me believe that there are physical aliens is this funny little thing i found on FL (forgottenlanguages) This was listed in the bibleography at the end of this posting titled Atisal Ediyr ared Imaginaal Eno - Depth Imagery and Imaginal Space

Final Report on Dulce’s L4 Psychosynthetic Experiments with Humans and Varginha Cargo Subjects
^ this is not a clickable link, but i assume that it's for good reason they don't list any "facts" about this.

The varginha subjects are related to en.wikipedia.org...

This one was interesting as it was a few women who saw the actual creature hunched over with its hands between it's legs. It moved and they got scared and took off running. Not me, i would have ran up to it and tackled him. Welcome to earth mother #a!

I think the governments cabal knows EXACTLY what is going on with our space friends. And those cults who think aliens are here to help us or increase our viberations are insane. The countless stories of being experimented on, abducted, ETC. I beg to differ. They are far from friendly. But maybe they are our government toying with us? Ugh... I will continue to read this awesome thread as it offers another way to look at UFO's in general.

Remember that weird FL site had direne saying they worked with defense and research though? I think they totally have the goods on the aliens. According to them colares incident was a experiment gone wrong and they used UFO's as a scapegoat. They were testing something on people. : (



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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I think one way to approach the testing would involve 3 markers. 1. Respond in the most likely way expected. 2. Respond in a way that would not be likely to be expected and 3. Do nothing. You would need a way to observe and document the reactions to each of these encounters. As he said it is a really tall order.


But you're talking about documenting something that is like a magical 'knee-jerk reaction' against documentation. To document is to categorize within a structure, and that's a kind of conceptual boundary. The trickster archetype is the knee-jerk reaction in the collective unconscious that crosses, blurs, and shifts boundaries, categories, concepts. It's anti-structure.

We may not be able to get all the answers. As soon as we think we know how to categorize UFOs, that's when we are most vulnerable to the trickster. But that shouldn't discourage us from trying, because the very nature of this 'control system' could be a mechanism of evolution.

This control system could be tightly interwoven with the very nature of mythology. According to Joseph Campbell, mythology has four functions that it performs for a society.

1. The Mystical/Metaphysical Prospect. This is the religious/spiritual function: a myth is meant to make people experience the powerful feeling of the divine in their lives. As Campbell puts it, a "living mythology" will "waken and maintain in the individual an experience of awe, humility, and respect, in recognition of that ultimate mystery, transcending names and forms, 'from which,' as we read in the Upanishads, 'words turn back.'" (p. 609)

2. The Cosmological Prospect. "The second function of a mythology," Campbell writes, "is to render a cosmology, an image of the universe." (p. 611) This might include how things like time, space, and biology work and are organized -- for example, how the world and its creatures came to be (and how long that took, or how they changed over time), where heaven and hell and the Garden of Eden are, and what the universe is made of.

3. The Social Prospect. Campbell somewhat ominously defines this function of myth-telling as "the validation and maintenance of an established order." (p. 621) As I put it more positively above, it can also be seen as wisdom-rich models for social behavior. Parables embedded with morals attempt to teach us how we should behave -- what is model behavior and what is unacceptable.

4. The Psychological Sphere. This is the aspect of mythology where stories symbolize important points in an individual's life, with the purpose of "the centering and harmonization of the individual." (p. 623) Freud, with his Oedipal and Electra complexes, was one who explicity connected myths with life paths. Of course, most stories speaks to us as individuals exactly to the extent that we see ourselves in them.

That which we call the modern UFO phenomenon could be an agent of all four functions throughout the entirety of world religion and myth.



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 01:02 PM
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Given that we seem to be in the realm of dimensions perhaps this link to the PDF version of Dr Vallee's book Dimensions: A Casebook of Alien Contact may be of interest




And the visitors – a dark and highly active phenomenon that seems to inhabit cracks in the
unconscious, cracks in space-time, and cracks in history – are somewhere close to the essence of
what is happening. Dr. Vallee elucidates the basis of what must surely become a new vision of the
UFO phenomenon, one that will sweep aside the various levels of illusion behind which it hides.
Dr. Vallee argues that the force that now appears in the form of UFOs and attendant manifestations
has emerged into history many times, operating as a sort of control mechanism that has altered and shaped human affairs, often profoundly.



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