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reply to post by KilgoreTrout
my famous physicist friend is writing a book about the physics
of spirituality. I had a hour call with him yesterday. It was
very interesting that he and I found ourselves agreeing about
the general nature of cosmology even though we always disagree
about the nature of 'god'. I'm happy to say, that I'd fully agree
with your quote, that we are discussing 'spirit-matter' and that
there is no real separation of the two.. that one set of laws
governs both and that both are aspects of the one same thing.
reply to post by nugget1
Human “free will” is as temporary as a volcano
It’s probably over rated
If humans don’t utilize it; it may be taken from them…and certainly it will be yanked from them if they abuse it.
“Fee will” probably exists so one can find something with it
If they don’t then what is its value?
It may not be an existential right
Here is revelations
UMMO is certainly one of the best examples of the systematic application of confusion techniques in the paranormal field. The novelty in the hoax was to create ostensibly genuine sightings that would result in innocent witnesses coming forward to be interviewed by the media and by well-intentioned UFO investigators who could only conclude they were sincere, while the perpetrators remained in the background, manipulating the photographic and physical evidence.
...But such rational considerations will not deter the UMMO disciples. Once a belief system is established, it keeps going under its own power, gaining strength from its very absurdity.
Buenos Aires, Argentina, 1947
Among the great contemporary writers is Jorge Luis Borges of Argentina, who died in 1987, leaving a vast, beautiful, and haunting body of work. He was fascinated by the promise and the ambiguities of contact with alien entities. I have already quoted his disturbing poem ”Labyrinth.”There is a little-known short story by Borges in his book entitled Fictions to which I return again and again. It is a purposely obscure and convoluted tale written in Spanish about 1947 and entitled ”Tlon Uqbar Orbis Tertius.”
This last tale may well have supplied the inspiration for the UMMO hoax. According to Borges' story, Tlon is a hypothetical planet invented by a group of clever men financed in the United States by an eccentric Southern aristocrat in Memphis. They use their own talents and that of various contractors to produce a monumental work, an encyclopedia of Tlon,complete with the details of the languages, the philosophies, and the mathematics of Tlon.
But they only reveal a little bit of it at a time to the unsuspecting public. The founders, who are members of a secret society called Orbis Tertius, have sworn to remain hidden forever. On Tlon, as in UMMO, the number system uses the base 12. And there is no concept of time as we know it. The past only exists as a present memory, and the future as a present expectation.Therefore it should be as easy to alter the past as it is to change the future.
There is also a theory that all common objects have doubles. Duplicates of those objects that have been lost can be retrieved, provided one believes strongly enough in the lost object. For example, assume that two persons are looking for a pencil.
One finds it and says nothing. The other person may find another pencil, equally real, although slightly different; the second pencil is called a hron. Experiments have been performed on Tlon to systematically generate hronir of fictitious objects, notably archaeological artifacts.
Thus, four groups of students were instructed to excavate at certain sites.They were told the sites were expected to yield great treasures, when in fact no such evidence existed. Three of the experiments failed. But in the fourth one, the director of the exercise (who knew the truth) died during the excavations. The leaderless team of students, who did not know there were no buried artifacts, found a golden mask, an ancient sword, and beautiful amphoras – all of which were hronir, created out of nothing, by their finders' own beliefs!
Following the gradual release of the Memphis collection of the secret forty-volume Tlon Encyclopedia, more and more people will start to believe in Tlon, a belief reinforced by the discovery of Tlonian objects made of unusual materials around the world. Borges points out diabolically that as the belief in Tlon grows, our own society, which doesn't know that there is nosuch thing as Tlon, will start producing its own spurious hornier, pseudofacts and quasimemories of Tlon that will slowly replace the old reality.
Borges even envisions a future state where the hoax begun by the secret society he calls Orbis Tertius will have totally disintegrated the rational world. How could we not submit to Tlon, to the specific and vast evidence of an orderly planet? Arguing that reality is orderly is the wrong answer. Perhaps it is, but it follows divine laws(let us translate: human laws) that we can never fully elucidate. Tlon may be a labyrinth destined to be deciphered by men.The frightening, even terrifying fact, says Borges, is that the unknown masters of Orbis Tertius are slowly substituting their own reality for ours. Indeed, the earth will soon have become Tlon!Perhaps UMMO falls short of Borges' awesome vision of the Tlon fantasy encroaching on our own world.
It is doubtful that the false landing in Aluche was planned by some wealthy, unbalanced American industrialist. But it is true that for hundreds of UFO believers in Spain, in France, in the U.S., and in South America, UMMO has become reality itself, with its language, science, and cryptic documents. These people have left the real world, and they have even left the tenuous,marginal reality of paranormal research and UFO investigation. In a way, they have been lost to us and have reemerged as hronir, doubles of their former selves, their past and their future rearranged to serve a powerful fantasy that is ”enchanting in its rigor,” as Borges says.
their past and their future rearranged to serve a powerful fantasy that is ”enchanting in its rigor,” as Borges says
reply to post by nugget1
All that's required to exert a lot of control over humans, is to keep
them fixated on one or more fantasies for which they hunger..
perpetual motion, free power, etc.
Once the audience is fixated, the stage magician(s) can do
whatever they want..
Humanity isn't fixated on UFO's or perpetual motion/free power, we are but we are actually the minority. As for religion/spirituality, recent polls suggest an increase in belief to around 51% up from 48%, so say half of humanity is fixated on religion/spirituality. So how would this work to control humans?
When I look around and see what controls exist to manipulate humans (at least from a perspective of the US) it is none other than entertainment. From sports to clothes, beer, sex, toys, etc. we are controlled by having our emotion manipulated and provided distractions. We are controlled by being raised within a system that finds it acceptable to kill others for honorable reasons. We are made to feel uneasy about our sexuality while constant flashes of boobies and ass litter the television screen.
I do agree they keep us fixated but it's through lust, gluttony, etc. the same crap we were warned about but failed to heed. Churches tend to skew this by saying through these "deadly sins" one will lose everlasting salvation. But what you know full well is by embracing these sins you lose your spirituality here and now, meaning you become disconnected from your spirit. Because of this little sleight of hand of making it a postmortem issue, most people don't have the time or inclination to care what happens because there's no guarantee anything exists after so might as well stuff yourself with all the material wealth you can get your hands on. This is certainly a cog in the control system, likely on the PTP level and also a step above.
NIDS/Bigelow...any takers? By that I mean researchers. Very "modern" and relevant I'm thinking. For a multitude of reasons. Jump in...I think you'll agree.