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You think the "Moon lander" was bad, ever cough up dough for the X-Ray Specs or Sea Monkeys?...The band X-Ray Specs wasn't too bad, if memory serves, though.
You woulda bought Uzi's and rounded up some postal workers, if so.
There are folk much worse than those pulp rag BS'ers and them Madison Ave creepy-crawlies, and they are mucking with not only ufology but the societal mind as well. Lil' Gut don't forget.
Interesting turn here in the past page or two in bringing in the creator. I am also interested in the topic of how many layers the control system has or how many areas it influences our existence. In the Electromagnetism, UFOs, and the Weaponization of Alien Technology thread, I linked a paper discussing the phenomena and how it affects us as a society and the conclusion it reached was that there are 6 layers in action with these incidences:
The 6 Levels of UAP Analysis
Let us consider the characteristics of the sightings that are not explained by trivial natural causes. We can recognize 6 major “layers” in terms of our perceptions of these characteristics, as they can be extracted from earlier works about UAP phenomenology (Vallee, 1975a, 1975b) or from the current NIDS database.
Layer I: First of all is the physical layer, evident in most witness accounts describing an object that:
▪ occupies a position in space, consistent with geometry
▪ moves as time passes
▪ interacts with the environment through thermal effects
▪ exhibits light absorption and emission from which power output estimates can be derived
▪ produces turbulence
▪ when landed, leaves indentations and burns from which mass and energy figures can be derived
▪ gives rise to photographic images
▪ leaves material residue consistent with Earth chemistry
▪ gives rise to electric, magnetic and gravitational disturbances
Thus UAP -- in a basic physical sense -- are consistent with a technology centered on a craft that appears to be using a revolutionary propulsion system. It is the existence of this layer that has led mainstream ufologists to claim that UFOs and elated phenomena were due to extraterrestrial machines.
Layer II: For lack of an adequate term, we will call the second layer anti-physical. The variables are the same as those in the previous category, but they form patterns that conflict with those predicted by modern physics. Objects are described as physical and material but they are also described as:
▪ sinking into the ground
▪ shrinking in size, growing larger, or changing shape on the spot
▪ becoming fuzzy and transparent on the spot dividing into 2-or-more objects, several of them merging into one object at slow speed
▪ disappearing at one point and appearing elsewhere instantaneously
▪ remaining observable visually while not detected by radar
▪ producing missing time or time dilatation
▪ producing topological inversion or space dilatation (object was estimated to be of small exterior size/volume, but witness(s) saw a huge interior many times the exterior size)
▪ appearing as balls of colored, intensely bright light under intelligent control
It is the presence of such descriptions that leads most academic scientists to reject the phenomenon as the product of hallucinations or hoaxes.
Layer III: The third layer has to do with the psychology of the witnesses and the social conditions that surround them. Human observers tend to see UAP while in their normal environment and in normal social groupings. They perceive the objects as non-conventional, but they try to explain them away as common occurrences until faced with the inescapable conclusion that the object is truly unknown.
Layer IV: Physiological reactions are another significant level of information. The phenomenon is reported to cause effects perceived by humans as:
▪ sounds (beeping, buzzing, humming, sharp/piercing whistling, swooshing/air rushing, loud/deafening roaring, sound of a storm, etc.)
▪ partial paralysis (inability to move muscles)
▪ extreme heat or cold sensation
▪ odors (powerful, sweet or strange fragrance, rotten eggs, sulphurous, pungent, musky, etc.)
▪ metallic taste
▪ temporary blindness when directly exposed to the objects’ light
▪ bloody nose and/or ears; severe headache
▪ difficulty in breathing
▪ loss of volition
▪ severe drowsiness in the days following a close encounter
Layer V: The fifth category of effects can only be labeled psychic because it involves a class of phenomena commonly found in the literature of parapsychology, such as:
▪ impressions of communication without a direct sensory channel
▪ poltergeist phenomena: motions and sounds without a specific cause, outside the observed presence of a UAP
▪ levitation of the witness or of objects and animals in the vicinity
▪ maneuvers of a UAP appearing to anticipate the witness’ thoughts
▪ premonitory dreams or visions
▪ personality changes promoting unusual abilities in the witness
Layer VI: The sixth and last category could be called cultural. It is concerned with society’s reactions to the reports, the way in which secondary effects (hoaxes, fiction, and science-fiction imagery, scientific theories, cover-up or exposure, media censorship or publicity, sensationalism, etc.) become generated, and the attitude of members of a given culture towards the concepts that UAP observations appear to challenge.
In the United States, the greatest impact of the phenomenon has been on general acceptance of the idea of life in space and a more limited -- but potentially very significant -- change in the popular concept of non-human intelligence. In earlier cultures such as medieval Europe or Portugal in the early years of the 20th Century, the cultural context of anomalous observations was strongly colored by religious beliefs.
Incommensurability, Orthodoxy, and the Physics of High Strangeness:
A 6-layer Model for Anomalous Phenomena
Jacques F. Vallee and Eric W. Davis
National Institute for Discovery Science
Las Vegas, Nevada
I didn't even notice when I originally linked it that Vallee was one of the authors.
Regards to the mentioning of the creator, that actually relates back to the other threads I referenced in my prior post to this thread.
And how that relates is this:
That is the universal constant and unifying theory which science has been seeking for. Consciousness ties the entirety of existence together and is the cohesive force that provides the order and structure which is apparent when observing anything from the physical to the spiritual that I mention in this post in Slayer's excellent thread titled, Milky Way galaxy may have formed inside-out.
The various threads dealing with quantum consciousness present some very compelling evidence that consciousness is an inherent physical property of the fabric we find ourselves embedded within. An individual mind is evidence of quantum coherence within a larger consciousness field and that cam account for the various psychic phenomena people are able to demonstrate.
Science and mysticism are finding a lot more similarities than differences; telling us that what the mystics of various traditions have been saying for eons, is true.
Ran across this some time back and had forgotten about it until this thread popped back up in my subscribed list:
The main argument presented in this paper is that continuing study of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (“UAP”) -- including “apparitions” of a religious or spiritual nature -- may offer an existence theorem for new models of physical reality. The current SETI paradigm and its “assumption of mediocrity” place restrictions on forms of non-human intelligence that may be researched in our environment. A similar bias exists in the ufologists’ often-stated hypothesis that UAP -- if real -- must represent space visitors.
Observing that both models are biased byanthropomorphism, the authors attempt to clarify the issues surrounding “high strangeness” observations by distinguishing 6 layers of information that can be derived from anomalous events, namely: (1) physical manifestations, (2) anti-physical effects, (3) psychological factors, (4) physiological factors, (5) psychic effects, and (6) cultural effects.
Incommensurability, Orthodoxy, and the Physics of High Strangeness: A 6-layer Model for Anomalous Phenomena
This paper goes in to some detail about the study of "high strangeness" and it's implications for our world view. It does a really good job of breaking down each of the 6 layers mentioned and goes on to explain how each of those layers represent a set of values that are affected by the incidences or occurrences. It also states fairly concisely one of the main problems we face to dealing with these happenings in this statement:
(italicized portion added by me for clarification)
This situation (the scientific study of "High Strangeness" being at an impasse) has as much to do with the incomplete state of our models of physical reality as it does with the complexity of the data.
"The incomplete models of physical reality" we have are some of the most limiting factors when faced with nontraditional understanding of events which defy what we have come to call reality. We need to push beyond what most think of as facts and understand that our limited knowledge is still infinitesimally small when compared to the actual evidence before our eyes when we gaze at the cosmos.
I know that everyone here recognizes and understands this as fact, but mainstream thought is so bogged down with blinders that the mental inertia is extremely difficult to counter.
This includes academia.
Now, as has been shown in this thread, there is a lot being studied and developed which would come under the full meaning of the term "high strangeness" and I think this paper fits well within the current discussion.
As it attempts to reconcile theory with observed properties of elementary particles and with discoveries at the frontiers of cosmology, modern physics suggests that mankind has not yet discovered all of the Universe’s facets. We must propose new theories and experiments in order to explore these undiscovered facets. This is why continuing study of reported anomalous events is important: It may provide us with an existence theorem for new models of physical reality.
The study of these events themselves can show us in which direction to take our R&D and may lead to further developments just from trying to figure out exactly how these things happen.
There is quite a bit about how divergent views of similar material (SETI vs UFOlogy, in particular) leads to a stagnation in the advancement of researching these pehnomena and it concludes the following:
In other words, we need to develop a multidisciplinary methodology that encompasses all 6 of the layers we have identified and can be applied to SETI as well as to UFO phenomena and close encounters with the entities associated with them.
Such a methodology would open the way to the rational testing of hypotheses in an important domain that has been sorely neglected by mainstream science for too long.
Advancing our studies of these events and what we learn from them by advancing how the events are studied. Evolution and adaptation with the field of research.
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Ya' know, I flip-flop quite a bit on what we might be dealing with or looking at.
Sometimes I'm fairly convinced that we are dealing with mysteries of our own consciousness and ours alone.
Most times, these days, I'm fairly certain that there is another non-human consciousness that sometimes winks into our business before blinking out and stepping back, yet again, behind the veil.
I do wanna apologize to Klassified and CirqueDeTruth. I KNOW y'all have some interesting aspects to discuss and I should have shut up and let the discussion go that way. But my obsession with the human "manipulators of belief systems" always puts red in my eyes.
Now of course, there are those who wish for other things and have the power and means by which to manipulate events and global imaginations to work in their favour. The world is in terrible shape, that is the message I get loud and clear, repeatedly. The human suffering alone is deafening. Something like 20,000 children die every day. Continuing on the path that we are travelling, that will only get worse. Water is increasingly finite, land is increasingly unproductive and the prediction for both those essentially resources over the next 50 years or so are grim to say the least. 34 square kilometers of land becomes desert every single day. If anyone out there had the power to save us, I think they would have done so by now. If anyone with power here on Terra Firma wanted that procession to stop, they would have done so by now. What we have instead is deflection and sleight of hand aimed at averting our attention from the devastation around us, that same deflection keeps us sitting on our hands waiting for a saviour to come and sort things out for us, while we consume ever more and produce increasing amounts of waste to contaminate what little we have left. We stuff ourselves with things and fodder to fill the void within ourselves.
Long story short, while I am all for a little escapism and travel the space time continuum on epic adventures, I am always sure that my eye is on the ball looking for the hook, so to speak. We can rub ourselves into a frenzy over who is controlling us in this way or that, or we can get to know ourselves and break free. Know where your buttons are and they can't be pushed. Your threads are good at highlighting that but you kind of need to take the jump yourself Sweetie
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EZ Peasey to you perhaps, but it's not compelling.
I also love to discuss ancient atronomical observations
including the precession of the equinoxes.. the meaning
of pole stars and how that relates to mythology and the
formation of religion.
But I don't find all that talk 'conclusive' just highly possible.
But, I also hope to shine my light into the darker crevices of human "intent" of another sort. I think that has some value, too...especially if it's new to some...like the way a teeny-tiny match can push back so much darkness in a room.