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reply to post by The GUT
I wonder if perhaps a lot of these paranormal, UFO, and psy-ops events, as well as the presence of disinfo agents like Doty, Aquino, Green, and Alexander aren't all a wave of overwhelming data perpetrated by the 'controllers', the heads of the control system so-as to weaken and/or confuse the minds of the general public so much that they don't know who or what to trust anymore.
Once all faith in institutions has been eradicated, perhaps they can move onto the next phase of whatever their agenda is. A weakened and confused mind may well be ripe for taking over in some 'Manchurian Candidate' fashion, except on a massive scale due to the proliferation of control technology like Facebook, Twitter, and AMA threads with the 'controllers' here on ATS.
Maybe they could get Doty in for an AMA
So if you were operating a program and a bunch of field devices started jumping up and down yelling, "Hey look at me, look at me!", what would you do?
ATS AMA Alumni John Alexander & Nick Pope
I like how they admit they couldn't and wouldn't reveal any secrets and site national security issues/clearances. Yet they are freely peddling suspect info that one almost thinks has to be sanctioned bs.
Yeah, them AMAs:
Alexander: Intelligence Operative, Psychotronics, Non-Lethal Weaponry
Nick Pope: Intelliigence, MoD ventriloquist dummy.
Michael Aquino: Intelligence, Psyops, MindWar, Poster Boy for Set
George Knapp: Intelligence Shill...
reply to post by Rosinitiate
Yah, but ultimatley, at the top of the food chain.. who is
fooling who? Ultimately, I think that our esteemed former
AMA guest is being played as a chump by the shaman and
especially the shaman's allies.
sometimes the little boy with the red wagon wins, not the
imposing authority figures.
I wonder if your globalist and/or NSA-types are interested in that kind o' stuff? Oh, yeah, Vallee did do some demonstrations/lecturing for the NSA at Ft. Meade if I remember correctly. That's where the one fellow introduced him to the "crisis simulation" games he had developed for networked communities I think.
That's precisely what Vallee and his wife were doing with his computer systems.
Informatics and creative database scripting.
“UFO researcher Greg Bishop, has stated that one of the stars of the UFO firmament, Dr. Allen Hynek, played a key role in the government disinformation campaign against Bennewitz. To quote Bishop: “Bill Moore claims that he met up with Dr. Hynek at the 1982 MUFON convention, and over a couple of beers at a nearby bar, Hynek admitted that he was the one who had been assigned to give the bogus computer setup to Bennewitz. He also said that it was one of the last tasks he was asked to perform for the Air Force.”
...so one has to give him the Bennewitz of the doubt..I guess.
I have a memory of Vallee and Hynek having some connection with the Rosicrucians.
Didn't Vallee also hang out with Anton LaVey? Seems an extremely short step to M Aquino.
Anton LaVey is interesting when he discusses the nature of secrecy. He points out that people are most thrilled by the impression of “discovery.” Therefore if you want the masses to accept your claims, you should never try to reveal anything but you should arrange for them to “discover” it. The best process to achieve this is what he calls the Easter Egg Formula:
(i) The magician gets up before everybody else, scattering brightly colored eggs for others to find.
(ii) He hides them in such a way that they can be discovered with relatively little work.
(iii) The secret of the existence of the eggs is leaked out.
(iv) The crowd rushes out and finds them, delighted with this revelation.
(v) Congratulations follow. (vi) Real secrets are safe and the magician's prestige is enhanced. Is this how the belief in UFOs works? Is the undercurrent built on the Easter Egg Formula?
The saucers are indeed like Easter eggs. Someone got up early and scattered them around for us to discover. Then he leaked out the notion that they were extraterrestrial. I'm not interested in discussing the eggs, nor do I care about the scientists who “explain” them away. Let's find out who makes them, and why. Actually I think I know “why.” The target is human mythology, the most powerful force on Earth. And there is no question that the phenomenon also functions on the material, physical level.
In his book Cosmic Trigger, Robert Anton Wilson makes the interesting observation that the lies and deceptions commonly engineered by Governments promote a paranoid atmosphere which permeates the public mistrust of science. Any form of collective thought is subject to influence and suggestion, and blind on fundamentals.
In ancient Egypt people were controlled by a religious order supported by prodigies. Only the top priests knew how they were manipulated. One could speculate that society still runs that way. Is someone trying to provide humanity with a renewed Pantheon? The new Gods could only come from the sky. Is that why so much attention is directed at the notion that UFOs must be spacecraft while the more fruitful theories are discouraged or censored?
I've confronted Anton with the...report on mutilations, which specifically mentions his group. He tried to tell me it was a fabrication by the hippies at the Berkeley Barb. I laughed at this: Flickinger is a Federal Agent with the Treasury Department, not a bearded leftist. So Anton, his back
to the wall, pulled out his wallet and showed me his badge of the San Francisco Police Department:
“I'd have known about it, if the SFPD had uncovered serious evidence. I work closely with their Intelligence unit. They call on me when they have a crime that involves witchcraft or cults, like the murder in Daly City a year ago...”
Anton LaVey Counter-Culture MIB
The idea that Anton had such connections makes sense. He thinks that the government will eventually “land” a fake saucer somewhere, behind barbed wire, to generate speculation and demands “for the release of the data people think the government must be covering up.” Writer Bernard Newman had proposed such a deception scenario as early as 1950 in his novel, The Flying Saucer .
“Come on, Jacques, it's an old magician's trick,” he added, intensely serious now. “They've got to take attention away from real problems. The government’s right hand does something spectacular to capture people's eyes while their left hand goes on with the real work.
I had wanted to talk to Doctor Vallee for several months now and I immediately kidnapped him into a room which the other partygoers were not informed about. On the way, we spotted Hymenaeus Alpha (Grady McMurty), Caliph of the Ordo Templi Orientis, and his wife, Phylis. The Skeptic had heard Jacques Vallee talk at a conference on Science and Spirit, sponsored by the Theosophical Society, earlier in the year.
He had taken a new approach to the UFO mystery and was systematically feeding all the reports of extraterrestrial contacts into a giant computer.
The computer was programmed to look for various possible repeated patterns. Jacques said that the evidence emerging suggested to him that the UFOs weren't extraterrestrial at all, but that they seemed to be intelligent systems intent on convincing us they were extraterrestrial.
[Indeed, even as our Dear Brother Terence McKenna hath said, "We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extraterrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us." -B:.B:.]
Now the Skeptic started pumping Jacques about his evidence that they weren't extraterrestrial. He started to explain that, analyzing the reports chronologically, it appeared that They (whoever or whatever they are) always strive to give the impression that they are something the society they are visiting can understand.
In medieval sightings, he said, they called themselves angels; in the great 1902 flap in several states, one of the craft spoke to a West Virginia farmer and said they were an airship invented and flown from Kansas; in 1940s-1950s sightings, they often said they were from Venus; since Venus has been examined and seems incapable of supporting life, they now say they are from another star-system in this galaxy.
"Where do you think they come from?" I asked.
Doctor Vallee gave the Gallic form of the classic scientific Not-Speculating-Beyond-The-Data head-shake.
"I can theorize, and theorize, endlessly," he said, "but is it not better to just study the data more deeply and look for clues?" "You must have some personal hunch," I insisted. He gave in gracefully. "They relate to space-time in ways for which we have, at present, no concepts," he said. "They cannot explain to us because we are not ready to understand."...
..."The outstanding quality of UFO contactees," Jacques Vallee said at this point, "was incoherence. I now have grave reservations about all physical details they supply," he said. "They are like people after an auto accident. All they know is that something very serious has happened to them." Only the fact that so many cases involve other witnesses, who see something in the sky before the "contactee" has his/her strange experience, justifies the assumption that what happens is more than "subjective."
"Largely," Doctor Vallee summarized, "they come out of it with a new perspective on humanity. A religious perspective, in general terms. But all the details are contradictory and confusing." He regarded green men, purple giant men, physical craft with windows in them, etc., as falling into the category psychologists call "substitute memory," always provided by the ingenious brain when the actual experience is too shocking to be classified.
I asked how many in the room had experienced the contact of what appeared to be Higher Intelligence. Grady and Phylis McMurty put up their hands, as did two young magicians from the Los Angeles area, and myself. Jacques Vallee, curiously, looked as if he might raise his hand, but then evidently changed his mind and did not.