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Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

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posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 04:33 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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We are not emptiness.
We are not fullness.
We are not even the tension between the two, although that is close.
We are an expression of the 2 poles of reality constantly making forms
and destroying them.. and it's allowed for us to learn how to do this too...
to be co-creators as they say.. until we are destroyed..but we will rise
up again.. it's endless..

we even accidentally or otherwise lead other beings to life.. and they
also learn to be trickster/shaman/magicians.. and the cycle continues.



I like that, the center prevails, when looking from the outside, but the outside prevails, from looking from the center, so there is never a full dichotomy, because life is both, a relationship in the 'tension' and this is how it rises and falls, like dipoles

co creators indeed, endless indeed... just as we were brought into life, so must others

life provokes death, and death life

as far as 'super powers' are concerned, it is just energy, and it depends on the condensed form of energy you currently exist in, depending on the universe and the play it allows, we here are limited, but just as you know, still quite capable because intention makes energy sing




posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 04:47 PM
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Partners..

and the way to reach an enemy is to teach him to become a partner.

But you have to have something to give first..

That's why empty broken human vessels cryign for god's grace to save
them will always remain broken and empty.. it doesnt' work that way.

To become a manifestation of love.. say.. you don't ask for 'love power'..
you just start acting loving.. even if you are 'running on empty'. That
will summon love.. which will fill you.

The 'evil or nasty tricksters' that seemingly accost humanity, do so, because
humanity is running on empty with nothing to give them...

It's just that simple.

Kevin



posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 05:05 PM
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One day Ananda, his closest disciple, came up to the Buddha and said: 'Lord, I think that half of the of the Holy Life is spiritual friendship, association with the Lovely.' And the Buddha replied: 'That's not so; say not so, Ananda. It is not half of the Holy Life, it is the whole of the Holy Life.

what we can give, is our attention

to love, and it fills us, empty our attention of other fruitless paths
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posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 05:19 PM
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Where does that leave the hermit or the Tarzan who never even meets another person?



posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 05:30 PM
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Remember that Buddha was still a trickster.
In fact that statement you are attributing to Buddha
is 'wrong' from a certain perspective.

Buddha both taught humans how to unlearn the overreliance
on the symbiote control system (chakras, the soul, and the
'spirit')

but also gave them a new delusion towards which to strive..
and that delusion was compassion..

but it's a lovely delusion.. a beautiful delusion.. and a powerful
tool...

A 'beautiful world' is every bit as much a delusion and error as
an 'evil world'.. but a certain aspect of the tide (god) does
enjoy working with humans to achieve this beautiful delusion..

when I say delusion, I mean no insult. A delusion is just a temporary
and contextual truth.. and there's nothing wrong with that.. in
fact it's a magician's trick.. to believe in such things.. and to enjoy
them..

so-called 'positive things' are a higher order game of deception than
simple negative things..

There's nothing wrong with playing a better game.. I like it.. I choose
the positive game of Buddha.. and for some who want more than that..
a bit more.

I love hearing about Buddha.. what a great instructional tool.

Kevin



posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 06:12 PM
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I go away for a few days and....BAM! The whole conversation turns into a circle jerk of "IS OR IS, IS" Non-duality. KPB, Preludefanguy, nugget1.....please go to this site and have these kinds of "conversations" there! www.awakeningtothedream.com...



posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 06:34 PM
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Perhaps we will just continue what we are doing..
but thanks for caring enough to make a suggestion.

Kevin



posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 06:39 PM
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Thank you for your suggestion.
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P.S. Perhaps since you have been (self?) appointed to take charge of this thread, you could contribute something of value and lead it in the direction you would like it to go?

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posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 07:08 PM
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I would like to make a retraction somewhat of my attitude towards Mr. Jacques Vallee.
Making the record clear as of now of course things may change as my research proceeds…

On researching some of his statements in his books it seems Mr. Vallee has revealed that the USG agencies have gone out of their way to deceive and lie to the public on the UFO phenomenon.

My BAD Mr. Vallee

Good Work.



posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 07:27 PM
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Any more info you can come by would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Dang I miss Gutsey.
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posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 07:28 PM
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No, it has been a great thread, like all of The Guts threads...just dragging on a bit and becoming redundant. Excuse my rude comment earlier, just a little frustration, but also I really think some of you on this thread would really enjoy the forum I linked to. I was on it years ago and quite enjoyed it. Circuitous conversations are one of my pet peeves. I will leave this thread now, enough good stuff has transpired, carry on your conversations however and wherever you find most interesting/convenient.



posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 07:47 PM
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nitro67
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No, it has been a great thread, like all of The Guts threads...just dragging on a bit and becoming redundant. Excuse my rude comment earlier, just a little frustration, but also I really think some of you on this thread would really enjoy the forum I linked to. I was on it years ago and quite enjoyed it. Circuitous conversations are one of my pet peeves. I will leave this thread now, enough good stuff has transpired, carry on your conversations however and wherever you find most interesting/convenient.


I mistakenly thought I might have some thoughts of value; I didn't realize I was talking in circles and being redundant. My sincere apologies!

I know I don't express myself well, so I usually refrain from commenting more than a sentence or two.
I was serious in asking you to help with a new direction, because I agree...not much new has been brought to light.

Again, my apologies. I was rude to you, and I'm sorry.



posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 08:04 PM
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You weren't rude.

You HAVE contributed to the conversation.

You DO formulate thoughts and sentences just fine.

Actually.. in my opinion anyway.. the subject has shot
forward significantly..

This has plagued humanity from day one.. just be patient..
even a little progress is a lot of progress.

We might continue this thread for years... don't take that
as 'chasing our tail' --- we are just being thorough. It might
take a 1000 iterations of these same basic subjects to
do something quite significant.

Humans generally get depressed and give up so fast..
this thread is not the mcdonald's drive through..

Kevin



posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 08:55 PM
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GUT, the rest of you guys, I wanna thank you. I've been exposed to a lot of very interesting technology, and I'm gonna meet up with a VC guy on Monday and see if I can make something cool happen. If I can pull this off, I might get to meet Vallee along the way - Silicon Valley investor and this stuff is right up his alley I think.

KPB- do you have Persinger's email? I'd like to try to catch his ear.



posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 09:06 PM
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I hope you get something fantastic going!

I'll PM you his email address.

Don't bring me up! He's been as KPB'ed
as he wants I think.

Kevin



posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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I hope you get something fantastic going!

I'll PM you his email address.

Don't bring me up! He's been as KPB'ed
as he wants I think.

Kevin



lol don't worry. I got questions about the geopsyche and stuff. I'm certainly curious how much money would be required to look for his transmission mechanism...

Thanks for the encouragement. If I can make a good impression and get support, I believe I can have a prototype in a couple of months (might even tweak Kit Green's professional interest).
It could also lead to more work on the UFO-EM connection - thats certainly where I got the idea from.



posted on Feb, 2 2014 @ 01:55 AM
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one time buddha gave a sermon by picking up a flower and staring at it carefully in silence the whole way through

sacredness, life, love is in everything

the eternal lover

there is nobody for there to be left alone

find friendship in a sunrise, and everything that happened for that sunrise to be seen by you at that moment

never alone, never apart

through spirit, in spirit, the shaman speaks to the vines and trees and flowers of the earth
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posted on Feb, 2 2014 @ 02:11 AM
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this is all just a game, an ebb and flow

compassion is a grand delusion, as it is just a state that exists

and through that delusion perhaps salvation

everything is malleable and inconstant

that goes for anything, including the power shared by the current control group

if man will strive, strive for gold instead of dirt, man will suffer, but let man suffer together, so that through compassion they might build a better world through each other, with each other

it is together in the dream that a great voice will be heard

that is why they scatter us to the four corners

but this 'infection' of awareness, infection of compassion, through learning from pain and suffering, the very suffering they help create, might lead us there

there will always be pain, but suffering can end

we are the fertile ground upon which infinite potential for growth exists

we can grow, dream, become anything we want to be, as long as we can see it, as long as the goal is there

but change is tough, there is suffering in change, for we have to let go of much

part of the path is compassion, but remember that buddha said it was beyond all things, here and not here

strive to become like the birds in the sky, their path is traceless
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posted on Feb, 2 2014 @ 09:12 AM
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OK...it took 24 hrs of reading to go from pg6 to catching up! OMG!!!
I have learned so much regarding the history of players in ufology. Soooo appreciated! Kudo's to RedCairo, 9, and KPB's contrary contributions. Gut has certainly opened a can of worms, but this thread should be stickied for new members in the Alien Section.
Many sub currents have been acknowledged and identified. Just beautiful!!!

Condolences to Gut, it's a individually tough row to hoe....without me meaning to be intrusive, my prayers go out to you & yours.


So...
Back to poking the Control System, forcing it to react and maybe leave us some in tell. Call me crazy but I think many folks are already doing this "One on One'' within their own belief systems. Ghost hunters are documenting Orbs. Healers are pulling off gookies from their clientele, and telling them how to retain their energetic integrity, the ufo community has threads like these,
Bigfooter Researchers are coming to the high strangeness theories, bf-field-journal.blogspot.com... , Wiccans and sorcerers hit the same walls (someone may have an analogy in those traditions?)


Maybe if we all put our pieces together patterns would emerge?

I agree with KPB in that non-attention to the Names in ufology, and more the individual stories from all para-modalities, look for patterns and universialities we'd be poking the Control System pretty hard.



posted on Feb, 2 2014 @ 09:39 AM
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Anything you wish to contribute would be wonderful.. the
more the merrier! you are part of the 'field' the same as
anyone.

If there's one thing I know about the field, from having
consciously lived with it since inside the womb, is
that it respects strength and does not honor weakness.

Humans are a weak bunch overall, as they don't know
how to find their center, so they make natural
victims.

The field/tricksters/the primal control loop can best
be viewed as a pack of wolves... expose your throat
and they may tear it out. Show weakness and they
will snarl at you and maybe piss on you.

Show strength.. by not being trapped by the field..
but not thinking you can lord it over the field.. and
you will be treated like a member of the pack.
Add something to the life of the field, and you may
even become a sub-leader or co-leader.

But poking the field and looking for a reaction....
it's like poking your own kidneys.. yes you will
get a reaction.. but you are poking your own
kidneys man!

Now, I understand that there is a huge place for
research.. maybe not for the reason people think..
and yes, we should always be alert to see what
patterns exist.. this is crucial in science and
mysticism both..

but (and I think many of us in this thread would
agree with this point, if not so much my previous
words) .. that whatever it is, the field is part of
and powered by our own primitive unconscious
impulses.. so we can't expect logic.. and if we
poke the field in the eye.. we poke ourselves
in the eye..

So research away.. look for patterns.. poke if
you like... but become strong.. and also love..
that's my advice.

I have a physiological reason for my opinion
you know... but perhaps I've not communicated
it properly.. I should try again I suppose.

Again, nice to see you reading the whole
thread.. and being ready to participate..

Kevin



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