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Post by Autograf
Not at all - your post was extremely lucid, especially by comparison to most of the thread. The words "control system" seem to bring out the paranoiacs from the woodwork. We're talking more about carburetors than Big Brother, here.
You bring up a great point about the UFO flaps at nuclear bases in recent years. Joining hands and singing Kum Ba Ya hasn't invited the UFOs. But preparing to destroy parts of the world seems to get their attention.
Was this part of JV's reluctance to expand more on the possible routes to feedback, this sense that the only way to effect it was by great evil?
If you think you're inside a control system, the first thing you have to look for is what is being controlled and try to change it to see what happens. My friend Bill Powers proposes the following analogy: Suppose you're walking through the desert and you see a stone that looks as though it was painted white. A thousand yards later you see another stone of similar appearance. You stop and consider the matter. Either you can forget it or - if you're like me - you can pick up the stone and move it a few feet. If suddenly a bearded character steps out from behind a rock and demands to know why you moved his marker, then you know you've found a control system. My point is that you can't be sure until you do something. Then you realize that what you were seeing, the thing that looked absurd and incongruous, was really a marker for a boundary that was invisible to everybody else until you discovered it because you looked for a pattern. I think that's exactly what we have to do with UFOs. We have to do something that will cause them to react. And I don't mean building landing strips in the desert and waiting out there to welcome the space brothers.
Maybe it's in the direction of utopia. There doesn't seem to be much evidence for that yet. I've also heard it said that a pessimist is just an optimist with experience ha.
When looking at the state of the union so to speak, maybe "realist" is more accurate than "pessimist."
I'm willing to be wrong, but the only hope for utopia would seem to be only AFTER a lot of suffering and the total breakdown of the status quo. It would certainly be a historical 'first.'
Obversely, admittedly, it could be that the reason the phenomenon seems so mysterious--and even malevolent at times--is because the bad needs to be expedited before the good can take root.
Then again, maybe the phenomenon itself is indifferent. Maybe it's the human "manipulators of belief systems" we have to watch out for.
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth
So one of the things that "triggers" the control system to react is nuclear explosions. What are some other triggers? Like Fly mentioned, aerial combat seemed to "trigger" the control system which produces UFO phenomenon. Off the top of my head, space exploration, leaving our biosphere seems to trigger the control system also. Anything else? Do natural disasters often follow with UFO phenomenon? I want to say yes, but I'm not certain.
KPB, I'm not sure whether to pull up a stool and sit at your knee and listen, or bash you over the head with it and make you shut up.
So one of the things that "triggers" the control system to react is nuclear explosions. What are some other triggers? Like Fly mentioned, aerial combat seemed to "trigger" the control system which produces UFO phenomenon. Off the top of my head, space exploration, leaving our biosphere seems to trigger the control system also. Anything else?
Do natural disasters often follow with UFO phenomenon? I want to say yes, but I'm not certain.
He also goes on to state in that same interview, that the only way to approach this is to immerse yourself into the phenomenon itself. To experience the phenomenon personally.
So what would be practical ways to trigger the phenomenon that aren't so destructive like those I listed above?