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reply to post by Rosinitiate
What is so dramatic about our past, our truth that mustn't be known. Simply that we are slaves? Does it only take the realization of that to stop it?
What if humans have always been the junior partners to another type of mind?
Wouldn't it be exciting if humans could evolve past being unwitting food and
take up the mantle of leadership? Stop being victims? That is certainly possible
and very exciting to consider. But to accomplish that, the average human would
have to learn how to throw off the inhibitor collars and become liminal personalities
en masse. Rather than being the bailiwick of sorcerers .. perhaps this is the only
freedom for the human race.. the only way to break the great cycle of self-destructive
...It stands to reason if these "tricksters" have been here all along, then its safe to assume they helped or totally engineered the existing "police state" for want of another word to there own end. Which would make our "elites" ignorant co-conspirators, or one of the same as those who wish to enslave us.
. i agree and will tell makes a great point there,it really does make alot of sense looking at it like that ,and in so many abductee stories the abductees are subdued and or parylized probably for good reason,because we are such a violent and unpredictable race they know this about us and aren't taking any chances and its just easier for them.
"Feedback loop can be defined as a section of a control system which allows for feedback and self-correction while adjusting its operation according to disparities between the actual output and the desired output."
I would think that a big chunk of that self correction is the dichotomy between the contactee's & the mainstream ufology. Valid info is brought to light, then chewed up (steamrollered) by the mainstream. Actual output - Desired output.
Just the fact this whole "Control Mechanism" idea was trotted out years ago and we are still debating it's validity is just sad. The evidence has been in our faces for what? more than 20 years?
The Gut has begun many threads like this all with no real resolution. (no disrespect meant) It's obvious he's looking for a certain puzzle piece without wanting to actually ask the question. I mention this because it's past time for us to be coming up with some real answers instead of just nibbling around the edges.
Looking at this in light of WillTell's point that UFO's are the passive portion of the control system, that is brilliant in that humans are notoriously wildly unpredictable. Makes sense to me.edit on 25-1-2014 by Caver78 because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Mr Mask
Can we expect a camper killer commentary featuring "the Gut" as a rap battle about inter-dimensional versus extraterrestrial?
Thats something I'd break the like button to see!!
It stands to reason if these "tricksters" have been here all along, then its safe to assume they helped or totally engineered the existing "police state" for want of another word to there own end. Which would make our "elites" ignorant co-conspirators, or one of the same as those who wish to enslave us.
curious indeed ! and I have long thought about this on many occasions ,the past most definitely has some clues to our future and it seems like hummanity always get so far only to be road blocked or have puzzle pieces missing making no sense rendering all the work you've done useless ,I just wish something big would happen that would explain this frustrating # lol,I love ats and there has been some great threads ,i hope that one day we will crack the great mystery of the universe and life on this planet together and soon cuz I feel like I'm going crazy,keep up the good work and I will also be watching for patterns you are so right same thing different era but will we change the course of history and break this pattern or just sit back and let it repeat itself again?
In looking for patterning within this alleged control system, the intelligence gathering aspect of it, we may do well to look at circumstances surrounding our past.
the library at alexandria
china's Mao & cultural cleansing
hitler, stalin and all the rest.
Every time humanity has enough information collected in one spot to begin tracking the control systems patterns we spontaneously suffer a setback. Curious no?
Due to the extremely long timeline and our past fragmentation we're approaching this cusp again with the NSA and the internet. Same thing, different era.
In the Epilogue, Vallee tells us about his more recent ideas about UFOs as a manifestation of a "control system", and this aspect is treated elsewhere on this site (go to our search engine and search for "Vallee"). In the Epilogue Vallee talks a little bit about physics, parallel realities, hyperspace etc.:
"Cosmology now recognizes the possibility, indeed the inevitability, of multiple universes with more than four dimensions. Communication and travel within our universe are no longer thought to be absolutely constrained by the speed of light and a constant arrow of time. Even travel into the past may be considered without necessarily creating insurmountable paradoxes. This is a tremendously exciting development. It opens up vast new realms for theoretical and experimental endeavor."
But how can that be, you ask? If UFOs are mere projections, then there shouldn't be any physical evidence, right? Radar can't bounce off a dream... you can't take a photograph of a psychic object, can you?
"Oh yes, this is an important point to make, which the flying saucer people are forever misunderstanding, and that is that saying the flying saucer is a psychic object does not mean it is not a physical object. Jung in Mysterium Coniunctionis is at great pains to say that the realm of the psychic and the realm of the physical meet in a strange kind of never-never land that we have yet to create the intellectual tools to explore. This is where the mystery of synchronicity is going to come to rest, the mystery of all kinds of paranormal activity on the part of human beings, and the mystery of the flying saucer." -Terence McKenna
…When our conversation returned to the undercurrent and the activities of the government, Hal insisted it was time for me to meet his spooky friends. “I'm ready, if they mean business. Where are they hiding?”…“They're getting nowhere,” Hal said in frustration... “They have no concept of the Magonia angle; they still see the topic in terms of extraterrestrial technology, propulsion systems, space hardware...
…Hal's contact is a boyish fellow, Dr. Christopher Green nicknamed Kit, a dynamic bespectacled young man of medium build with alert brown eyes. He holds a doctorate in biology, exudes optimism and refreshing humor…
…I had lunch with Pat Price and Hal Puthoff. A temporary clearance is being setup to enable me to visit Kit Green next month in hopes to better understand the chessboard. Oddly enough, in this situation, it is the individual researcher who is in the best position to gain an understanding. As I extend my contacts in Washington it is that precious freedom that I must preserve above everything else…
The Planning Network (PLANET) was the first ARPANET chat system, predating the Internet. PLANET was invented by Jacques Vallee, Roy Amara, Robert Johansen, and others from the Institute of the Future in 1973.
It was the first chat program designed for the ARPANET, and enabled anybody on the network to log into the system. PLANET was used in a series of evaluation studies, and had a considerable influence on those that used it and later research.
I spent two fine hours in the office of Tom Belden, a legendary analyst at the Institute for Defense Analyses. He came to pick me up in Kit's office and said with a chuckle, as he guided me down the wide corridors of the CIA at Langley, “Do you realize that I have to use this bloody Agency as my cover?
...The day was spent training NSA analysts at Fort Meade. There was a funny moment: sitting at a classified terminal to demonstrate Planet over the Arpanet…
…He told me stories about the early use of conferencing in the Intelligence community. We discussed crisis simulation games on computer networks, a subject on which I was eager to have his wisdom. He explained why multilingual computer conferences should use interpreters rather than translators, and told me about the ingenious research games he had invented to create standardized conflict simulations within dispersed groups…
…Kit came over for a long talk about Lopez Rega, the cults of California and my theories of control systems.
…It brings us back to a psychophysical control system. There's a secondary human impact, easier to analyze, the undercurrent working through groups using the alien mythology to propagate their own agenda. Examples: the Ummo hoax, the cults, the shadowy military folks who promote the Holloman affair. But I still don't understand the connection between these two aspects.
Murray Turoff and Roxanne Hiltz are attending this meeting on teleconferencing where panelists argue endlessly about the Delphi technique of forecasting…
…As I came out of a session where Turoff was a speaker, I found myself face to face with Bill Powers stepping out of another meeting…
...Conversation turned to research on higher consciousness under his feedback system of behavior. “The only way to study a control system is to introduce perturbations into it,” he advised.