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reply to post by lakespirit
That's interesting.. a lot of people take the 'nine' as a real world
possibility. This seems to show that the basis was in fiction.
I mean first of all literally, how would it be done.
But secondly, let's just be real vague and say we actually did it and we were actually successful. Then:
1. What is a measure of success? What would happen that would tell us it worked?
2. How would we know whether the reactionary element was from the 'local' control system vs. the whatever-else?
3. Do we know for sure that changing some parameter in how the (Overlords?) interact with us is going to be a positive thing for us instead of the opposite? There is such a thing is out of the frying pan into the fire (not that this would stop me, since I loathe helplessness which is where we are now); and there is such a thing as reaction which just causes more suppression or secrecy or both.
reply to post by RedCairo
If the two agent model is valid, if humans become interested in 'x'
then 'x' appears.. and perhaps not only appears.. but seems to
appear in a slightly more future exciting or advanced form than
can actually exist at the present time (the old oh the military has
tech 50 years in advance idea).
Humans become excited by this display and then interact more
strongly with tricksters using that form. A loop ensues.
A feedback arms race so to speak..
This matches my thinking on the main drive of the system. There has always been this "carrot on a stick" aspect where the visitors either demonstrate or detail aspects of superior technology or higher morals.
My hunch is that one of the parameters being maintained (perhaps the main parameter), is a certain pace of scientific progress. There is also a strong case to be made for spiritual progress being a primary or secondary goal (wow, I sound like a New Ager just putting those words together). Perhaps the two goals reinforce one another.
There has always been this "carrot on a stick" aspect where the visitors either demonstrate or detail aspects of superior technology or higher morals.
There may be an 'exit condition' to the loop.. where the party
or process that is actually 'in control' will terminate the loop
if the required condition is reached.
Perhaps like in RV and the practice of Intent to cause effects
we should be asking for the answer from the phenomenon,
reply to post by Autograf
Is the Trickster more negative than positive?
Is the Trickster neutral?
Do we have enough data to make such a decision?
I vote neutral..
I suggest that one method of manipulating the control system may be the continued push for exploration and colonization of space. We now have a naively optimistic Kickstarter-style Mars mission planning a one-way colony seeding, the first of many to come. This would be a real game changer in the known history of the planet, to permanently colonize another planet.