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How can God know everything AND be 100% good, and how do we even determine if God is "good"?

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posted on Jan, 31 2014 @ 09:02 PM
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AthlonSavage
God doesn't exist.. how can nothing feel anything.


How ironic... you believe that God doesn't exist, and you state "how can nothing feel anything?" If God doesn't exist then that means that there is no creator, which means that the big bang theory is true... which means that something came from nothing. So you ask "how can nothing feel anything", but your counter argument by default is that "something came from nothing".




posted on Jan, 31 2014 @ 09:18 PM
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Yes he does, he died on the cross.

God became flesh, he was murdered by the very people he called "his people".

I was not born with a spirit of fear. I am a child of God. When our human bodies dies, we do not die! We immediately become spiritual beings. Actually that is us.... the body is nothing more than a "container". You are inside yourself... (you physics majors go chew on this for a while). This spirit (YOU) will be judged by the creator (BTW - the creator is Jesus


At the very most then what he feared was the pain of the process of dying since he was 'in flesh'. However you just proved my point. He knew he was the creator, knew he was eternal. I said he didn't know the fear of death. Point stands.



posted on Jan, 31 2014 @ 09:25 PM
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I would recommend you go on youtube and review not one but all of the atheisim vs Christianity lectures and debates, especially the ones featuring the number one atheist Mr. HITCHINS.

Done it. Multiple times. All of them
Also for Sam Harris.


Mr. HITCHINS spoke out against all religions and God.

Eh. Not exactly. He spoke out against all religions and religious gods.


Isn't it peculiar he died of throat cancer at 62 years old?

What the hell is that supposed to mean?



posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 03:27 PM
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LittleByLittle
arpgme
Does God know what it feels like to lust? ( lust is going after physical pleasure - evil)
Does God know what it feels like to be rich with a lot of money and material goods (putting the body over the flesh - evil)


arpgme How can God know what these feel like if these feelings are wicked and God has 0% wickedness in him but only 100% goodness? Either God feels these things and he is not 100% good, or he does not feel these things and he is not 100% knowing.And if you say "God doesn't have to follow his own rules" , then how can you even know that God is good if your morality comes from him and yet he is beyond his own system of morality?



LittleByLittleFrom my point of view. Depends on your definition of god. If you take a wider definition then god is a work in progress trying to evolve itself to symbiosis. If you go with a narrow definition then a part have already arrived at symbiosis and the rest are in progress to become.


Yes it depends on what your definintion of "god" aspect is. If you take the "humanistic" componant (thinking its a human with secreting hormones having morals etc you would be wrong) you would believe it to be the template for the actual human. It isnt (the human was just one result). It is a field of non physical matter energy that is continually organizing itself into compartments of 'potencial' self awareness, why? because its a system that is based upon successes and failures; and by nature will lessen entropy (that which impedes growth/progress). This is an ongoing thing. LittleByLittle is correct. One might be confusing the NPMR (plasma) with the Physical Matter Realities it created/manifested. Within those denser realities you have your demi-gods that created the human, and you percieve as a god. They are not; in the hierarchy, are abusers and in so saying; do not are not have to be moral and 'good' to its creation (a slave race initially).
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posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 06:39 AM
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Lucid Lunacy
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Yes he does, he died on the cross.

God became flesh, he was murdered by the very people he called "his people".

I was not born with a spirit of fear. I am a child of God. When our human bodies dies, we do not die! We immediately become spiritual beings. Actually that is us.... the body is nothing more than a "container". You are inside yourself... (you physics majors go chew on this for a while). This spirit (YOU) will be judged by the creator (BTW - the creator is Jesus


At the very most then what he feared was the pain of the process of dying since he was 'in flesh'. However you just proved my point. He knew he was the creator, knew he was eternal. I said he didn't know the fear of death. Point stands.



You are not correct. That is your theory with no proof. You state Jesus had fear at time of death. You can not prove this. You have twisted scriptures..thats all. You do not know what was going on inside his head prior to death. The last words he spoke can be translated many ways and fear is not the answer that comes to mind. Maybe he felt a sense of abandonment when he cried out ABBA!!

Up to his earthly death he did not know death as a man but he does now. Death does not always translate into fear. At time of death I bet there were more emotions running through his mind other than fear.

When using your allegory..... the same could be said he did not breath air before, eat a meal, drink a glass of water etc.... until he came to this earth as a man. Now he does know... first hand. God has a better understanding of living man as a man; not only as our God. He has walked in our shoes, not just sat on a throne and judged.
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posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 07:46 AM
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Lucid Lunacy
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I would recommend you go on youtube and review not one but all of the atheisim vs Christianity lectures and debates, especially the ones featuring the number one atheist Mr. HITCHINS.

Done it. Multiple times. All of them
Also for Sam Harris.


Mr. HITCHINS spoke out against all religions and God.

Eh. Not exactly. He spoke out against all religions and religious gods.


Isn't it peculiar he died of throat cancer at 62 years old?

What the hell is that supposed to mean?


HITCHINS does not believe the universe was created by a supreme being.

HITCHINS does not believe in a supreme being.

HITCHINS does not believe in any God.

WIKIPEDIA Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.

God is abundant with patience hoping all will open their heart and let him. He lets the sunshine fall on "the just" and "the unjust". He lets the rain fall on those who are righteous and unrighteous. And to those who have rejected him and sworn an oath to never believe in him continue to live for awhile.

HITCHINS a known socialist lost his mother to suicide in 1973. She committed suicide in Athens along with her religious boyfriend. Clearly his mother's death was a shock to him which started him to thinking, after he was fired from his job, this changed the way he thought about everything. According to WIKIPEDIA HITCHINS left Oxford with a "third class degree" who later hooked up with some hard core left wing radicals and started preaching hate and rebellion in his newspaper articles and at times being very rude with vulgar language. Soon his hate turned towards religion. It appears the death of his mother with a religious boyfriend even though she was still married supports his beliefs there is no God. Clearly HITCHINS blames God for his mother's death and he spends the rest of his life attempting to prove there is no God and if there is one this God is hateful towards people of this planet.

HITCHINS has been fighting throat cancer since he was in his fifties. He has been writing books and teaching around the world his hateful agenda. His numerous lectures against all religion and God has become a face for those who are disbelievers. Then is the prime of his "success" he comes down with throat cancer. NOT lung cancer (he was a strong smoker) but throat cancer. Which stopped him from speaking out. ???? Is this a coincidence? I do not believe in coincidences.

And to those of disbelief and God's enemies?..... Hell is full of these people.

No problem if this gets ommitted by MODS ..... I have saved this article and think maybe time to expose this with a new post?



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 07:52 AM
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I think the fear and doubt Christopher Hitchens caused amongst the faithful is plain to see here........



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 08:12 AM
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Prezbo369
I think the fear and doubt Christopher Hitchens caused amongst the faithful is plain to see here........


Hitchens likes to make God guilty of what people have done on this planet.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:03 AM
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Jesuslives4u

Prezbo369
I think the fear and doubt Christopher Hitchens caused amongst the faithful is plain to see here........


Hitchens likes to make God guilty of what people have done on this planet.


You've obviously never heard or read anything CH has to say on the subject, just what others say about him...



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 06:52 PM
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I know what atheism means.

If you watched ALL his debates like you suggested others do. You would know I was correct. I didn't say he wasn't an atheist. You said he spoke out against "God". Which isn't quite accurate. He spoke out against religious gods as I said. In more than one debate he stated he didn't know if there was or wasn't a Creator. He just didn't believe in one. Again, what he spoke out against was religion. When he talks about god it's always in that context. Likewise, when I talk about god in these forums it's contextual to religious gods.

Thanks for revealing my question about the cancer bit. So you believe your god struck him down with throat cancer. How moral.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 07:11 PM
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You are not correct. That is your theory with no proof. You state Jesus had fear at time of death.

You have no proof of any of your religious beliefs so don't give me that.

No. That's not what I said.

Again. My point was [pretending Yahweh is real] if he knew he was the eternal creator while he was 'in the flesh' then he didn't fear mortality. You said he did with your rebuttal about dying on the cross. I said at the very most he would have only feared the pain of the dying process [since he knew true death wasn't coming]. You're not following the train of thought.


Up to his earthly death he did not know death as a man but he does now. Death does not always translate into fear. At time of death I bet there were more emotions running through his mind other than fear.

If fear wasn't one of the emotions it only furthers my point…
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posted on Feb, 27 2014 @ 02:41 PM
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arpgme
Does God know what it feels like to lust? ( lust is going after physical pleasure - evil)

Does God know what it feels like to have hatred in the heart? (hate is absence of love - evil)

Does God know what it feels like to be rich with a lot of money and material goods (putting the body over the flesh - evil)

How can God know what these feel like if these feelings are wicked and God has 0% wickedness in him but only 100% goodness? Either God feels these things and he is not 100% good, or he does not feel these things and he is not 100% knowing.

And if you say "God doesn't have to follow his own rules" , then how can you even know that God is good if your morality comes from him and yet he is beyond his own system of morality?


Let me explain.

Let us assume God knows what it feels like to be good. Why would He need to know what it feels like to be evil? He would not desire to know how it feels like being evil, for He knows how it feels like to be good! All He probably desires is to feel good. We could say feeling evil feels bad. There is no desire to feel bad for feeling good, is good! It is not good feeling bad.

He does not need to know how it is to be evil, for He knows what it is to be good.



posted on Feb, 27 2014 @ 08:04 PM
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Text And if you say "God doesn't have to follow his own rules" , then how can you even know that God is good if your morality comes from him and yet he is beyond his own system of morality?
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In reading the bible I have never read where God has gone against His word. As far as morality is concerned, even atheists have morality so I would think that we have morality instilled in us to a certain extent. But morality is not the only thing that gets you in heaven. There are laws given to the human and the greatest of these laws is that you love God with all your mind, heart and soul and then to love those who would not love you. So Love is actually the answer. You can have all the morality in the world but if you have not love then you simply missed the boat so to speak.

Now why do I really believe this? Because God so loved us that He gave Jesus as a pattern for us to know Him. By Jesus we know the Father. Jesus is the Father's only begotten Son and represents the Father God in every walk of His life. He even laid down His life and shed His blood because He so loved us. By this fruit I know Jesus and His Father. That is how you know that God is good. Have you ever read about a God that so loved you that He would give His only child to offer you eternal life?



posted on Feb, 27 2014 @ 08:16 PM
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We can thoroughly gauge god's benevolence or malevolence by the man who shows up during the age of internet. Calls himself god and tells us how he plans to end suffering via 3rd world countries and the homeless.

How does he plan to further mankinds advancement via removing greed and other sins. And heres the big one.

What's his main objective with space? Does he consider alien's good or evil. Because that determine extinction and survival.

As a primitive species last thing you want to do is make an enemy out fo the ones who can grab you out of your sleep!

That's how we gauge god!

There will never be a better way an easier way and a more informative way then this explanation!
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posted on Feb, 27 2014 @ 08:34 PM
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Would like to point out something huge that separates him the guy who will call himself god during the age of internet.

NONE of any of the other FALSE prophets paid homage to the Anunnaki but him! Why is this huge? it all started in SUMER!



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 05:40 AM
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oktopus

He does not need to know how it is to be evil, for He knows what it is to be good.


Then he doesn't know absolutely everything.
That means he is not omniscient.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 09:42 AM
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Well, I mean, He does know, yet has no reason to experience it.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:09 AM
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You have to choose God to be good. Who judges God other than us?
For me God is good. The universe created has bad in it but they are a result of bad choices in this universe not from beyond.
We were given choice and with every bad one the universe suffers with every good one it improves.
The effects of that decision can only be truly judged over the eternity of our universe or lasting effect of that choice hence why God has the final judgment.

If we think of God as bad then we people can use that as an excuse for their own bad decisions. So I believe thinking God is anything but good is a bad decision. Same goes if we think everything indifferent. That is a bad choice. Our choice of believing things are good or bad is the one choice that can not be taken or judged (other than by God). This I feel is a major question facing society, why should we choose good and what is good?

I think we are shown what good is by the result of our choices and how they are significant because of the form of the universe is with fixed constants such as time, all again is attributed to God.


Personally I think even if there wasn't a creator or a hidden force of good then I console myself in the fact that trying to choose good is the right philosophy, the bigger the choice the more important.

So for me God is seeing and choosing good. Who judges if God is bad or made a bad choice! Possibly us or our choices?



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:02 PM
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arpgme
Does God know what it feels like to lust? ( lust is going after physical pleasure - evil)

Does God know what it feels like to have hatred in the heart? (hate is absence of love - evil)

Does God know what it feels like to be rich with a lot of money and material goods (putting the body over the flesh - evil)

How can God know what these feel like if these feelings are wicked and God has 0% wickedness in him but only 100% goodness? Either God feels these things and he is not 100% good, or he does not feel these things and he is not 100% knowing.

And if you say "God doesn't have to follow his own rules" , then how can you even know that God is good if your morality comes from him and yet he is beyond his own system of morality?


All of the things you mentioned, God know about them very well. But they are all human emotions and traits. They have nothing to do with God. I have said this before, "God is outside the world we know as the Physical Universe. God doesn't think like us nor does He has anything to do with things happening on Earth." As you may know, most of us reincarnate back to the Physical many times, some may come back 40 - 50 times, while others may have came back thousands of times. Because of this, our mental state is very attached to this world and its emotional behaviors, this includes but not limited to hatred, lust, greed, selfishness, afflictions, fear, and many others. When you are born into the physical world, you are born into the Mind of Man--a collective Mind that SEEMS to be the "opposite" of God. It seems to have a lot of "darkness" or "evil" as you call it. I say it "seems" because it is all fake or illusory. "Darkness" simply is the lack of Light. When I speak of Light, I'm talking about the Pure Energy from God. In this dense Universe you and I are living in, there is still much darkness (just look into the sky at night). And this darkness, is again, a lack of Light.

So, most people on Earth see Light and Darkness, Good and Evil, as opposing forces, right? But in Heaven, people there see Light and Darkness as ONE. Good and Evil as ONE. They are not opposites but are in Single Oneness. In fact, when you are there, all you see is Light. You are surrounded by Light, and you are Light as well. Darkness doesn't seem to exist. But in reality, Darkness became part of the Light. Because they are now working as complements of each other. The Light has absorbed the Darkness. There is no longer a lack of Light, not even a small speck. So God views this Physical World as an incomplete place. It is still expanding and in development. Our Universe is extremely young. That is why there is much "Darkness." But as this Universe continues its design and expansion, you will see more Light, and thus our Universe have reached its new level of Ascension from Darkness. Remember this, our job is to fill in the Darkness with God's Light. So let's not focus on Egoistic or Human traits, but only on Divine Love and Wisdom, which are attributes that raise our consciousness and fill it with Light.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:30 PM
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Profoundly said Ctophil and true, very simplistically the polarities (mercy/severity),(intellect reason/romantic love imagination) are necessary but fall away as one reaches perfection; the point for the material being is to start from nothingness (god) become dense and all things inbetween as described by the 'tree of life' experience the material and then find its way through the paths upward to rejoin perfection (kether)the first state of beingness. Wisdom and understanding was the first blessing or development, as oddly; they are not polarized as the lovers or the Mom and Dad of all below.



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