Dead Sea Scrolls: The Coming of Melchizedek

The Coming of Melchizedek

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Col.2

(...) And concerning what Scripture says, "In this year of Jubilee you shall return, everyone f you, to your property" (Lev. 25;13) And what is also written; "And this is the manner of the remission; every creditor shall remit the claim that is held against a neighbor, not exacting it of a neighbor who is a member of the community, because God's remission has been proclaimed" (Deut.15;2) the interpretation is that it applies to the Last Days and concerns the captives, just as Isaiah said: "To proclaim the Jubilee to the captives" (Isa. 61;1) (...) just as (...) and from the inheritance of Melchizedek, for (... Melchizedek) , who will return them to what is rightfully theirs. He will proclaim to them the Jubilee, thereby releasing them from the debt of all their sins. He shall proclaim this decree in the first week of the jubilee period that follows nine jubilee periods.

Then the "Day of Atonement" shall follow after the tenth jubilee period, when he shall atone for all the Sons of Light, and the people who are predestined to Melchizedek. (...) upon them (...) For this is the time decreed for the "Year of Melchizedek`s favor", and by his might he will judge God's holy ones and so establish a righteous kingdom, as it is written about him in the Songs of David ; "A godlike being has taken his place in the council of God; in the midst of divine beings he holds judgement"

this is a game changer. A piece of info not found in the canonical Bible. I knew of Enoch and Elijah to come to be killed by the antichrist. Now Melchizedek comes and stays for some kind of kingdom not accounted for until now! Era of peace before the Great Trib, as some Catholic seers say? I don't know. I believe Dead Sea Scrolls even more than the canonical books. Because they were not changed as the latter were.
Here is the text, make your own concusions (the full text on the link).

reply to post by 2012newstart

I knew of Enoch and Elijah to come to be killed by the antichrist.

Wasn't Elijah already killed?

Matthew 11:7
As John’s disciples were leaving, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed swayed by the wind? 8 If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear fine clothes are in kings’ palaces. 9 Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 10 This is the one about whom it is written:

“‘I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way before you.’

11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.

Matthew 17:10
The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”

11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

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Seeing you trust the dead sea scrolls more then the bible , .Have you compared the book of Isaiah in the bible to the copy of the dead seal scrolls that was found ? I thought I read somewhere that they are very close to each other and most of the differences can be atributed to standard copying errors ...But basically the same ,and unchanged for over 2000 years .

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You are right. I meant the New testament only.

reply to post by 2012newstart

You are right. I meant the New testament only.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are Jewish texts, not Christian texts.

You might as well say "I trust Hindu texts regarding Jesus more than the New Testament."

reply to post by adjensen


You might not want to admit the fact that the Christians (all denominations) are also entitled to accept "Abraham our father in faith " as well as all the books of the Old Testament. Much of prophecy for example comes exactly from OT prophets. To set aside the old Bible that Jesus also read in His earthly years, is not a good sign. Jesus was a Jew in flesh and tradition because He chose so. We should respect that basic fact of our faith. Paul says more.

adjensen
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You are right. I meant the New testament only.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are Jewish texts, not Christian texts.

You might as well say "I trust Hindu texts regarding Jesus more than the New Testament."

I categorically disagree to your qualification of my belief, and would kindly ask you to please stop calling me hindu. I am Christian without further elaborating. Because the Christian churches are in their biggest mess ever, and I don't know which one is meant to survive. May be the Messianic Jews will take the banner next? I jsut don't know. I am follower of Jesus Christ the Lord. I never defended the Hinduism or another religion. Thanks for reading my long posts anyway!

reply to post by 2012newstart

I categorically disagree to your qualification of my belief, and would kindly ask you to please stop calling me hindu.

I didn't call you a Hindu, lol.

I said that believing that the Dead Sea Scrolls are a better source of information on Christianity than the New Testament is ridiculous. Because they are the texts of another religion, they don't really have anything useful to say about Jesus (apart from the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament, but that's another matter.)

My reference to Hindu texts was simply to extend that argument. One would also not look to Muslim, Buddhist or Hopi Indian texts for a better picture of Jesus.

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He shall proclaim this decree in the first week of the jubilee period that follows nine jubilee periods.

What is a jubilee period?

What I am getting from Wiki is that it is either 49 or 50 years. 9 period at 49 years is 441 years. the first week of the 10 period is 490 years.

BUT... 490 years from what? What begins the counting?

The day of atonement begins AFTER the 10th period, which makes this an 11th period? This is 539 years... but it could also be the following year from the 10th jubilee, which would be 491 years. I

but when do you start counting?


OHHH, I just saw something in the numbers which reminded me of something so I checked it out. ( lol ) anyhoo.... this sounds like Daniels 70 weeks.

prophecy in which Daniel, pondering the meaning of Jeremiah's prediction that Jerusalem would remain desolate for seventy years, is told by Gabriel that the seventy years really means seventy weeks of years, or 490 years.

That is cool, it goes hand in hand with Daniels prophecy, just in a different way...

So apparently, it is in line with the already known bible...It does make you wonder what begins the counting.

S&F

This is something I did not know..

Jesus "stood up to read, and they handed him the scroll of the prophet Isaiah. Unrolling the scroll he found the place where it is written: The spirit of the Lord has been given to me ...!" (Lk 4,16-18; Is 61,1). Very significantly the last line of Isaiah read by Jesus says: "to proclaim the Lord's year of favour" (Lk 4,19; Is 61,2), and immediately afterwards, Jesus' message was a declaration that precisely "this text" was being fulfilled on that day. The expression of Isaiah 61,2 "year of the Lord's favour" clearly refers to the prescriptons in the Book of Leviticus on the jubilee year (Lev 25,10-13). Therefore at Nazareth Jesus was proclaiming a Jubilee year.

Interesting.

2012newstart

adjensen
reply to post by 2012newstart

 

You are right. I meant the New testament only.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are Jewish texts, not Christian texts.

You might as well say "I trust Hindu texts regarding Jesus more than the New Testament."

I categorically disagree to your qualification of my belief, and would kindly ask you to please stop calling me hindu. I am Christian without further elaborating. Because the Christian churches are in their biggest mess ever, and I don't know which one is meant to survive. May be the Messianic Jews will take the banner next? I jsut don't know. I am follower of Jesus Christ the Lord. I never defended the Hinduism or another religion. Thanks for reading my long posts anyway!

What makes you think it is any specific Christian denomination that is right or wrong? All Christian believers are the church. The letters to the churches are to all believers no matter their denominations. They reference either different church ages or different types of Christians, but all of them have their own specific challenges or warnings to overcome in order to not be rejected.

So, no church is safe and all have Christians who will be found unacceptable.

That was a good one.

2012newstart
"A godlike being has taken his place in the council of God; in the midst of divine beings he holds judgement"

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This is something I ponder about too. This text is something that I read just yesterday for a first time. it needs time to compare to all other prophecies believable to be true, and not changed to a degree of practical irrelevance.

What comes to mind as a hint, is the work of 12th century Rabbi www.wnd.com... who speaks of 8, 9 jubilees.

I hope more documents will come from Dead sea scrolls.

If we talk in timeline terms, the prophetic timeline has been stopped and postponed at least once in Daniel for 1980+years.
That means every prophetic timeline could be postponed at certain moment.

What is harder to say is, however, the intentional cut off in prophetic timeline that is supposedly present in New Testament prophecies, mostly in John. I can talk for hours. It doesn't match the older prophets. For example, when will the Gog and Magog occur? Before the Millennium (Ezekiel) or AFTER the millennium (Apocalypse of John). One of the two is wrong, or the entire timeline(s) are misunderstood or even grossly corrected. Not in Ezekiel though! In Isaiah we have Non chronologically ordered events. Thus we have the kingdom of peace in ...Isaiah 11? While the crucifixion of Jesus is much later.
I do not reject anything of any text. I only try to put the picture together.
So if Melchizedek is about to come anytime soon, he might be put inside one of these loops. Not necessarily to coincide with the final End end times that might be later. I just don't know. Moreover, experience shows that shared comments online is not the best way to reach the truth. You'd better start doing your own research from now on, with the available info. I have also other threads that discuss other possibilities, again based on prophecy (mainly Apocalypse at the time I believed its timeline is 100% proof, and also contemporary catholic seers such as Fatima). But you need a time to go thru all that without a too big headache. I think all main resources for that are present in this excellent forum, with links to other resources as needed. God bless!

There is proof the timeline of Apocalypse (of John) has been changed as "interpretation". Actually the mainstream churches taught until very recently there isn't such a thing as the Millenial kingdom of Christ on Earth after His Second Coming. The originator of that teaching is Augustine of 4-5th century (354-430 ). The theologian who put footprint on all the subsequent catholic and also orthodox theologians up until recent times.

We don't know the exact date and council when the Apocalypse was canonized. It is anytime between Nicaea and 5th century. Pls check the article that I linked it (oh in another thread) check wikipedia.

The canonized Apocalypse most likely during Augustine's own timespan, has been "interpreted" to the extend to cut off an important and lasting event of the End times (the Millenium) and to pretend it is being fulfilled "as they speak" in their time. Kingdom of God has never been a fact on this planet. Christendom does not represent Kingdom of Heaven, it represents the worst historical experience of the so called Christian emperors and kings. Caesars and later dictators may envy them.
We have crusaders who wanted to establish the kingdom of heaven on the unbelievers millions. This is not what Jesus is talking about. Moreover, this cannot be anything close to the Millenial kingdom of Jesus after the second coming. Providing the canonized Apocalypse has never been changed and the Millenium is there as it was written by John. Even if so, its gross twisted interpretation changed the course of history for some 15th centuries, pretending things that are never written or said as tradition. Pope giving the "right" of conquistadors to overrule every non-Christian government anywhere on the face of planet earth. Not to quarrel between themselves, the Portuguese and Spanish were given a demarcation line by the pope, somewhere in the Atlantic that actually divided Latin America to Portuguese -speaking Brazil and the rest of Spanish speaking countries. (The landmark film The Mission highly recommended!)

Just imagine, what would be the reaction of the Christendom, if the Japanese and the Chinese emperors at the time were given the same "rights" from the chief Buddhist leader. To pretend the Millenium of Apocalyspe has already happened, although "interior" kingdom, as allegedly other "words of Jesus" in the gospels speak, does not find any historical proof. All mainstream churches should change their posture on the Augustinian Millenium ASAP. They do not do that, instead find their problems elsewhere.

That is a strong case to reject as non-authentic those words and interpretations of holy texts. Including words of "Jesus". Current "new updated versions" change words of Jesus too. As for example, the phrase "except for adultery" has been changed in the catholic readings into "except for unlawful marriage". Changing of words of Jesus under pretext of new translation! For the sake of denominational practices that do not date back to the time of Jesus and are not found in the practice of other apostolic sister churches! One may say, Rome leads the chorus, but the others are no less guilty. Let remember what Byzantium did with its 1000 year rule as second biggest power of Europe. Emperors over patriarchs, unending wars, no concern of everyday lives of ruled population, let alone implementing teaching of Jesus, led to nowhere else but to the brutal invasion by the Ottomans in 15th century. (Refer to the Rabbi's prophecy at the beginning). That marked the history of Jerusalem too.

OK it will be wrong to say that I know the things correctly. But all of that should be taken into account.

Fatima and other contemporary prophecies that speak of an era of peace and of a great monarch, cannot find their place on the Apocalypse' timeline. In one of my threads discussing these prophecies compared to the Apocalypse, I proposed a closed time-space around the Earth to allow a local fulfillment of the 3.5-7 years Great Trib, cut off from the rest of Universe where unlimited time will pass meanwhile. Because the Universe is nowhere to its closure, as explained in the last chapters of the Apocalypse.

An entire new source could be 2 Esdras the lesson of archangel Uriel to Esdras (Ezra). The problem is the book is found for a first time in the Latin Vulgate and is deutero-canonical. Despite it should belong to the Hebrew tradition, the Rabbis do not accept it. Its first chapters allegedly come from early christian time. That doesn't negate its next chapters that have great importance, either way. The King James bible includes the book, however later English editions and translations exclude it. The Orthodox Bibles generally do not have the last part of 2 Esdras that is actually the prophecy. (CALLED ALTERNATIVELY 4 eSDRA, pls check wikipedia article, I may be wrong int he exact naming of that same book in different traditions).

In other words, we have to be very much open for new things to come, and not to seclude everything else than Daniel 9:27. That verse waited 1980 years and it may wait another 3000 years. Moreover, other loops are possible, if that one is clearly manifested by God who is the sole sovereign including of the prophets.

as the text of Melchizedek's coming is well known to Rome, Moscow, Jerusalem and Constantinople for decades (they have their own Hebrew specialists and do not need to wait it published in English online), they probably have prepared their end time scenarios, or contemporary scenarios, in case a being of higher level, Melchizedek, arrives. They conveniently preferred to stay silent and to expect when the Jews and independent scholars will publish it to the masses. And then even to offer some offensive and doubt about the originals. Good strategy.

In the light of the change that encompass the globe, far not only Rome, let we hear what the leaders of the Christendom think today. I am ready to forget the pages of history if today's elected leaders have a different better attitude. But one cannot wait for endless years.

it is personal, as much as it is public. If tomorrow Melchizedek's spaceship lands in Jerusalem, the entire spectrum changes. Then I will take my private decisions based on what the real representative coming from God would say.

i mean the hierarchical leaders of christendom, that according to tradition go in descending order: Rome (before the great schism), Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Moscow, and all the rest orthodox and eastern patriarchs. However, Moscow patriarchy alone has the most christians non-catholics and is second biggest church on earth. In other words, if pope and Moscow patriarch agree on something they will have more than half of all Christians supposed to listen to them. That is however dependable on what they say in today's modern times when democracy plays out too. Right now, the problem is more of what the DON'T say regarding end times.
Of course the Western preachers and pastors have quite elaborated end times views. I don't comment them now. I commented in the ast posts the Augustinian line that is preserved in the mainstream churches coming of old time.

adjensen
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I categorically disagree to your qualification of my belief, and would kindly ask you to please stop calling me hindu.

I didn't call you a Hindu, lol.

I said that believing that the Dead Sea Scrolls are a better source of information on Christianity than the New Testament is ridiculous. Because they are the texts of another religion, they don't really have anything useful to say about Jesus (apart from the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament, but that's another matter.)

My reference to Hindu texts was simply to extend that argument. One would also not look to Muslim, Buddhist or Hopi Indian texts for a better picture of Jesus.

Here is the hindu post.
They are not different religion than Christianity! Even by the measure of heretics, they were recognized with their baptism by exactly the councils of Nicaea and later. I already wrote that, but you chose to not notice it. As with many other things I wrote and you chose to disregard them. And to keep your line that is quite purposeful. I almost figured out the purpose behind your line, and it is not the attack of the Gnostic gospels. But my goal is not that.

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My goal is to find the truth. Let all who read the new Melchizedek text make it wide known! It is something new in all end times scenarios, and pretty authentic!

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While shared comments online are not the best way to reach the truth, sometimes you can run across something quite interesting. Such as this.

God Bless you as well.

Thank you for sharing.

I sent you a U2U message.