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reply posted on 1-12-2004 @ 12:05 PM by engineer
Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
Hate to argue with this fact but the Dutch Airforce RECENTLY (2003 I believe) received their AIM-120's, so the dutch F-16 used a AIM-9 more than likely.

You might want to doublecheck your info. I can look up the details if you want, but it has been reported in many sources. Here is an example:


Combat

On March 24th, 1999, a Dutch F-16 (#J-063), part of the Dutch-Belgian DATF based at Amendola AFB in Southern Italy, caught sight of a Serbian Mig-29 appearing on its radar screen. The pilot did not hesitate one moment and fired an AIM-120 missile towards the target. After a few seconds a kill was confirmed and the first Dutch kill after WWII was a fact.

On April 4th, 1999, Dutch F-16s engaged ground targets with the AGM-65G, marking the first time this missile was fired in anger bij the RNlAF.

www.f-16.net...


Edit to add: Here is a picture of the AC, J-063, taken on July 24th, 1999. Check out the missile on the wingtip, clearly an AIM-120.

www.f-16.net...

Here's a link and a quote from the May 1996 issue of Arms Trade News:


NAME: AIM-120 AMRAAM

COMPANY: Hughes Missile Systems, Raytheon Missile Systems

PLANT LOCATION: Tuscon, AZ (Hughes); Lowell, MA (Raytheon)

DESCRIPTION: The AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) is a supersonic, over-the-horizon weapon that can be launched day or night, in any weather, and has a range of approximately 20 miles. Its state-of-the-art radar guidance system allows a pilot to fire the missile and break away to leave the area or simultaneously engage other targets. AMRAAMs are compatible with F/A-18 C/D, F-16, F-15, F-14, German F-4, and British Sea Harrier aircraft. AMRAAMs cost $386,000 each.

NOTES: AMRAAM production began in March 1988. Thus far, 10,629 have been ordered by the Air Force and the Navy and over 5,000 by at least 12 other countries including: Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, the Netherlands, Norway, South Ko-rea, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, and the United Kingdom. State Department decisions are pending on U.S. AMRAAM exports to Austria, Thailand and the United Arab Emirates.

www.clw.org...




[edit on 1-12-2004 by engineer]


reply posted on 2-12-2004 @ 06:03 PM by American Mad Man
Originally posted by devilwasp
Originally posted by American Mad Man


How do you conclude that the EF is a light fighter - it's wieght is closer to that of the Raptor then to an F-16, JSF etc.

just its whole specs and what people have said about it made it in my opinion a light fighter. though from the response i get from this i may change my view

It's stated mission is air superiority. Thus it WOULD have to deal with a Su-37. If not the Typhoon, then what exactly would?

i dunno, as i said before its whole appearance and such gave me the impression of a light fighter. a well equipped one but still a light fighter.

[edit on 2-12-2004 by devilwasp]


From the Typhoon website:


In the rapidly evolving nature of modern warfare, one capability need remains constant and above all others - Air Superiority. The speed and certainty by which Air Superiority can be established in a battle environment, will determine how quickly and safely other operational tasks can be met. Eurofighter Typhoon is to deliver Air Superiority of the highest order.


Wieght: Maximum (Take-off) 23,500kg (51,809lb)
Wing Span: 10.95m (35ft 11in)
Wing Aspect Ratio: 2:205
Length (Overall): 15.96m (52ft 4in)
Height: 5.28m (17ft 4in)
Wings (Gross): 50.0m2 (538ft2)
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.0
Operational Runway Length: <700m (2,297ft)
G'' limits: +9/-3 ''g''
Power Plants: Two Eurojet EJ 200 reheated turbofans

Eurofighter website

Raptor Specs:
Wing Area:
840 sq ft

Engine Thrust Class:
35,000 lb

Level Speed: 921 mph
Total Length:
62.08 ft

Wing Span:
44.5 ft

Horizontal Tail Span:
29ft

Tail Span: 18'10"
Total Height:
16.67ft

Track Width:
10.6ft

Engines:
Pratt & Whitney F-119

Max. Takeoff Weight: 60,000 lb (27,216 kg)
Max. External Stores: 5,000 lb (2,270 kg)
Weight Empty: 31,670 lb (14,365 kg)
Ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,240 m)
Crew: 1
G Limit: +9 G
First Flight: September 7th 1997

Raptor site

F-16 specs:

Primary Function Multirole fighter
Builder Lockheed Martin Corp.
Power Plant F-16C/D:
one Pratt and Whitney F100-PW-200/220/229 or
one General Electric F110-GE-100/129
Thrust F-16C/D, 27,000 pounds(12,150 kilograms)
Length 49 feet, 5 inches (14.8 meters)
Height 16 feet (4.8 meters)
Wingspan 32 feet, 8 inches (9.8 meters)
Speed 1,500 mph (Mach 2 at altitude)
Ceiling Above 50,000 feet (15 kilometers)
Maximum Takeoff Weight 37,500 pounds (16,875 kilograms)
Combat Radius [F-16C] 740 nm (1,370 km) w/
2 2,000-lb bombs + 2 AIM-9 + 1,040 US gal external tanks
340 nm (630 km) w/
4 2,000-lb bombs + 2 AIM-9 + 340 US gal external tanks
200 nm (370 km) + 2 hr 10 min patrol
w/ 2 AIM-7 + 2 AIM-9 + 1,040 US gal external tanks

Range Over 2,100 nm (2,425 mi; 3,900 km)

Globalsecurity.org

Honestly, the Typhoon is an air superiority medium/heavy fighter. If you were to pick a direct rival from the US it would probably be the raptor. The Typhoon - while a multirole aircraft - was designed around achieving air superiority, just as the Raptor and F-15 were.

BTW - she is a mighty fine aircraft. If we didn't have the Raptor I would want this bird being our frontline fighter over the F-15 (with a few American touches of course)
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