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Meditation and Channeling: Is True Evil Masquerading As Good?

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posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 06:40 PM
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Hello! I am relatively new to both meditation and channeling. When I channeled something spontaneously December 5, 2008, it blew me away. I never really believed in it previously and was highly suspicious of it in general. When it happened to me, it kicked my questioning up to a totally different level.

Let me say that I am a writer, focusing mainly on short story type essay material or poetry. I have written several screenplays in the last few years, and I am very familiar with the use of dialogue. At some point the characters seem to take over and tell you what to write, instead of you grasping at straws to fashion their sentences on your own. What I experienced back in 2008 was nothing like this.

To make a long story short, I was writing down my thoughts on a certain topic, nothing spiritual or paranormal in nature, and as I progressed I realized that the words coming were not my own any longer. I kept writing, although haltingly, as I tried to wrap my mind around this new process. I was aware enough to keep writing the words coming through to me, but at the same time I was thinking, "What in the world is happening here? That's not my words... I'm thinking this but I'm still writing that. How can I have two entirely different trains of thought going on here?!?"

Nothing seemed to crazy or mean, so I kept writing it down until there was not more words coming into my mind. I read everything back and it sounded very new agey and had a generally positive message to it. Basically it said when we have ruined our land, our lakes and our skies, that 'I and the sky people will return to teach you to live in harmony.' I'm paraphrasing here, I don't have my notebook in front of me at the moment!

It was sort of a warning, but at the same time it was encouraging because it said some of us would be leading by example and, through our actions and reactions to the events to come, showing the general public that all is not lost. The exact message doesn't concern me as much as where it is coming from.

This is the question that has bothered me ever since that day. While I do trust my own feelings, and I feel that this is a positive, encouraging message meant to help people cope with something coming down the pike, how do I know this source can be trusted? I have received a few more messages from this same source, or what feels like the same one, and I feel incredibly loved and protected when they come through.

BUT - I keep hearing all the warnings of a BIG LIE that will deceive millions of people. At this point let me say I never was into religion until I was saved at 19, and then I read the Bible voraciously. In those pages I found some comfort, then found places that told me I was destined to burn in hell no matter what I did, then found more pages that said I was saved from that. The more I read, the more I was confused. None of this has wavered my faith in God, but it has made me question my faith in my fellow man. I realized men chose what books we all would be able to read, back in the Council of Nicea, and I wondered what was removed. What beliefs and miracles were hidden from us during that Council?

I have meditated, and I have channeled information. Both cases I always feel an immense outpouring of love and protection, making me feel that this is indeed connecting with a positive, or divine, energy. I'd like to say that I also have felt very negative energies, what i refer to as ghosts or angry spirits, all the way up to what I would call a demonic energy. I'd like to believe that I can tell the difference.

Problem is, the very nature of evil would have it masquerading as something "warm and fuzzy' in order to disarm us and pull us into its influence. When we meditate and feel that loving, healing energy, how do we know it's not really something negative masquerading as a benevolent presence? Those encouraging messages I've channeled... could be someone or something wants to gain my trust, then start leading me astray.

I understand that not ALL meditation is necessarily threatening, and not ALL channeling is being taken over by evil energies. For the record, I know a lot of people say there really is no evil, that it's all a creation of man... but I have FELT evil come into a room and send fear and chills to my very core, making me fear for my life in one case. I have heard it whisper in my ear at least on one occasion, and it is those memories that fuel my confusion now as I question everything that has come through to me in the last several years.

So it is my belief that evil is real, and it can be highly deceptive if it wants to fool us. That said, I also believe I have felt the loving presence of angels who helped me through an extremely rough time in my life. Then again, was it something else trying to gain control of my trusting nature? You see, the more I think I have something figured out, the more I question the validity of my own experiences.

My intention of posting this thread is to throw all these thoughts out there and see what the ATS readers think. I will take this a step further and say that at the moment I am considering whether to continue with my channeling and occasional spirit communication or walk away entirely. I have an incredibly strong passion for helping trapped spirits cross over to the Other Side (I've done this twice, or I THINK I have anyway!), and also have a passion for helping those remaining on this side to deal with their own experiences that have frightened them. I was previously involved in a ghost hunting group, but now I feel sheepish when I think about doing that again. I just feel like I'm exploiting those I may be able to help.

But then again, what if all these "trapped spirits" are just demons waiting to lure us into a false sense of "doing the right thing?"

HELP, anybody! I'm open to your thoughts


Thank you!

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posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 06:54 PM
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If it feels good and you feel love, it isn't demons....BECAUSE THEY ARE THE OLDE WORLD BOGEY MAN. Told to kids many years ago to keep them from doing bad things.
Just keep on doing it If it gives you peace and such...go with your feelings because that is more true then demons.
You will get many in this thread telling you they are demons because they fear you may stray away from their club and will not accept anything that is to do with eastern philosophy's.
Also remember Religion can make a good man do evil things.



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 06:57 PM
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Dear Scribe - good questions. When you are saved you are filled with the Holy Spirit. He gives you the gift of discernment. If you feel you don't have it or want to really understand it then you just need to focus on hearing His voice. Usually it comes to us as a gut feeling.

Your gut is already telling you something isn't right, that it is questionable. And the Holy Spirit is telling you to be watchful, that you are in a position to be deceived. We are warned to stay away from communing with "spirits" because you are no longer relying on God to guide you and instead to turning your "faith" to something else and the something else will tell you some truth, maybe all the truth and then suck you in deeper and deeper. Then you start to question your faith and the gift and power of being saved. Anything that causes fear or doubt - this is not of God.

God is love. The devil is going to use any trick or tactic to fool you. And his best trick is using comparable stories to put doubt in your mind that God is real at all.

Remember the story of King Saul who went to a witch and asked her to bring forth the spirit of someone. That was not the spirit of the dead person - it was a demon acting like the person.

If you allow a door to open eventually that door will blast open wide and you will have spiritual issues, ie: having ghost type activity. By allowing yourself to participate in such activities you are giving the devil and demons legal right to cling to you and interfere in your life.

I don't mean to scare you in any way, I'm just letting you know that this is the word of God. We are not to play with spiritual things or be curious about them. God gave us this warning in order to protect us. And once you get something nasty playing with you it can be difficult to get rid of due to the legality you gave it.

I understand your compassion and love for others and I get what your deep down motivation is but I believe the repercussions and the distance that is created between you and God is too terrible and sad to even think about.

Someone once told me: if you have certain gifts, such as prophecy or healing, etc where is the power coming from? There are only two places that power is coming from: either from God or from His enemy the devil. That usually helps me when I am tempted with curiosity or hearing a cool story.

You exude warmth and love. I'm feeling it! Just pray for discernment and protect yourself - we are fighting a spiritual battle that we can't see but it's around us all the time.




posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 07:06 PM
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You are definitely wise to be cautious and to question what is really taking place in situations like these. I'm confident you will receive 3 types of responses to this thread:

1) It's all nonsense

2) There is no validity to the Christian perspective, and new age philosophy has all the answers

3) The abrahamic religious view which will caution you against this sort of activity

Ultimately it is up to you which of these 3 positions you choose to adhere to. I will say this much: tread carefully. This sort of thing can have unforeseen, unintended, and even disastrous consequences. I'd stay as far away from it as possible if I were you, but ultimately it is your choice.



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 07:10 PM
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There are a lot of things we still don't understand, or can wrap our minds around in regards to things like channeling. I would also excise good judgement and being careful. The mind itself is very powerful and you can end up manifesting "bad luck" from your own insecurities alone.



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 07:22 PM
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Just be careful playing in this realm.

Faith is the trump card and knowing yourself.

Meditation is good the type of meditation i usually do is just breathing and that one is pretty much universal in my opinion, their are others that may or may not be ok depending on what you believe.

Channeling however is risky business. Its kind of weird how things manifest through these types of practice. Its always good to establish roots deep into a specific pantheon. The last thing you want is to be playing with this world and not be firmly rooted into a faith or ideaology.



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 07:22 PM
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Try to get a copy of the Urantia Book.....



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 07:28 PM
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Funny how we said the same things at the same time.



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 07:40 PM
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Well, there are two books that I will recommend for you, that I think every Christian mystic should read.

Mysticism

The Cloud of Unknowing: and The Book of Privy Counseling

Good luck!




posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 08:15 PM
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Wow, thank you boymonkey74, ccseagull, DeadSeraph and MystikMushroom for you wonderful responses. I know what you mean about the ghost or spirit communications being tricky... just because it sounds pitiful and cries "help," that doesn't necessarily mean it needs rescuing!

I also do reiki, which I hadn't mentioned in my original post. Preparing for that, I ask God to please allow me to be a conduit of His loving, healing energy so I can help this person (or animal). I feel that pipeline of warm, loving energy flowing down through the top of my . and into my hands, which begin to tingle and buzz, and get very warm. I love this feeling, and I feel like I'm doing something I was meant to do.

Maybe this should be my focus, instead of the more communicative pursuits. So far I've had a strong positive response from every person or animal I've done this on, and it is nearing about 20 total.

My main reason for questioning so much is that I really feel I'm at a crossroads. I feel like one more experience is going to be a bad one if I'm not carefull. I'm getting the "pause and reflect before proceeding" kind of feeling, and I know in my heart that the next time I try communicating with anything I might not be as lucky as I have so far!

Thanks again everyone!



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 08:21 PM
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Here we go.

Im a Christian and I really dont want to be bashed.

Im sure it will come.

You dont know me and why should you even trust me until you do.

The only reason Im posting this is there might be someone reading this that what I have to say might touch.

If it doesnt Jive with the athiest dont respond.


Last night, half awake half asleep,got a message from the Holy Spirt.

This is rare for me and kind of personal.

"Pretty soon your eyes of enlightenment will be opened and the door of darkness and confusion will be closed."


Thats It , rip it apart , I put it out there , Why shoulsd I keep this message to myself.



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 08:23 PM
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Thanks also:

BlueMule - I will definitely follow up on those.

onequestion - Yes I can say I am definitely rooted in my beliefs. That's one thing that has been steady throughout all this. I didn't know how I could possibly reconcile the more mystical stuff with my beliefs, but they seem to be coexisting quite nicely in my mind!


stirling - I keep hearing of this book. Maybe somebody is telling me something and I should maybe listen, huh? So funny, today my right ear "blanked out" and I couldn't hear very well most of the day. Finally thought, okay, what am I not "hearing?" It has since cleared up. Could be sinuses and not a thing to do with anything else, but you never know. I have learned to pay attention to little "signs," but then I also have missed billboards.



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 08:30 PM
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overanocean
Here we go.

Im a Christian and I really dont want to be bashed.

Im sure it will come.

You dont know me and why should you even trust me until you do.

The only reason Im posting this is there might be someone reading this that what I have to say might touch.

If it doesnt Jive with the athiest dont respond.


Last night, half awake half asleep,got a message from the Holy Spirt.

This is rare for me and kind of personal.

"Pretty soon your eyes of enlightenment will be opened and the door of darkness and confusion will be closed."


Thats It , rip it apart , I put it out there , Why shoulsd I keep this message to myself.




Hey, thanks for your reply. I'm Christian too, no bashing coming from me. I love how you ended with "why should I keep this message to myself." This is what started my whole journey in 2008. I shared what I was told on a blog and got a little response. Lost one friend at work though, she was convinced I was the devil incarnate after I said I'd received something that could be called channeling.

My questioning the source of all these good feelings though is why I posted here. That wonderful, protective, loving feeling... can I be so sure it's from Holy Spirit, or could it be somebody else fooling me by making me feel so good? Maybe I should just pray and ask for more guidance if I am indeed going to pursue anything like reiki. I need to be whole hearted in that effort; half-hearted won't cut it.



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 08:45 PM
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Being practical, I dont think you are going to feel love when you are talking to 'a devil' or troubled being. We really dont give ourselves enough credit, but I think we know in our hearts whether something is 'evil' or not.

I think this will be an interesting journey for you. One which will teach you confidence in knowing who you are communicating with and also being able to know if that source is honest, upright, and True. In 10 years time you will be a very different person, but that is OK, we are all different in 10 years time.

I believe that there is more to me than just the 3D Earthly part of me, and I have confidence that that larger spiritual part of me will keep an eye on 3D me and watch out for me. Now, if you are a Christian like I used to be, then you will call this part of your spiritual anatomy something else. Trust it and go with your feelings but always have in mind the motives of the entity.

Remember, there are a lot of people who will try to make you feel afraid so that they can control you. They will offer you advice as to what you should do, but you are not them and that advice may not be in your best interests. Your real mission is to trust in your inner instincts(God), be true to yourself and to strive for the highest spiritual position possible while allowing others to do the same. That means allowing others to have their Free Will too and to make their own mistakes and have their own learning experiences.

Ultimately, it is all between you and God (whatever that is to you) and when you get Home, you will find out how well you have done. Nothing to be afraid of if you have done your best.



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 08:46 PM
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You can't trust your feelings. Not always. When I was young I was following after what I thought was a path to some kind of divine knowledge and the feelings I had were incredible as I got deeper and deeper into it. I was sure that I was surrounded by good and benevolent spirits that comforted me constantly. But later they turned on me and showed me their true nature. I can only say that the suffering I endured was so traumatic that it has had more of an effect on me than any other event in my life. And this happened in the mid '70s. Be careful. You must test every spirit.



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 08:46 PM
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My questioning the source of all these good feelings though is why I posted here. That wonderful, protective, loving feeling... can I be so sure it's from Holy Spirit, or could it be somebody else fooling me by making me feel so good? Maybe I should just pray and ask for more guidance if I am indeed going to pursue anything like reiki. I need to be whole hearted in that effort; half-hearted won't cut it.


Meditation isnt about the feelings. I know in your practices that a lot of what you learn and strive to experience is that love from god.

To be able to transend the want and need for that feeling will bring you into a new understanding and experience. Theres nothing wrong with love and feeling good but once you can get past that there is an even greater treasure that awaits.

Ok so in short yes its a measquerad. Its a distraction in that you think thats what its suppose to be about but its not.

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posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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I agree with you here. The goal should never be the feelings. The feelings will come without being sought.



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 09:04 PM
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Reading a bit more of this thread, I want to throw a few other things out there. I used to be a Spiritualist and used to learn to give healing.

Now I dont because I feel that there are things about our spiritual anatomy which are not fully understood. I believe that energies can attach to us and pass to or from one who is energy depleted from/to one who is not so depleted ("healer"). I also believe that energy directed AT someone else is just energy without the understanding and methods which can aid in healing a condition.

There is an easy way to fall into a trap of ego if one is a 'healer'. Somehow the 'healer' has 'it' and the person coming for 'healing' does not have 'it' which makes for an ego trip for the 'healer'. However worthy or wonderful we are, it is human nature to begin to think of ourselves as someone who has a 'gift' which others dont have.

There are many ways to heal, words, knowledge, physocal contact, etc but there are also many way to infect others with our attachments too or pick them up from one and pass them onto another. I feel it is not just a matter of standing there and letting the energy pass through you, (wherever it comes from) but more understanding is needed to make sure we are not making matters worse in a different way. If we are arrogant enough to believe that we cannot possibly do any wrong if our thoughts and intention is pure, then maybe we are not yet ready to address the health challenges of others.

Those 2 posts should get someone riled up and get the discussion going. :-)



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 09:22 PM
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Healing implies a state of needing to be healed and in my experience the way to appraoch this subject is to realize that its a direct manifestation of the physical world to either be in a state of want or need.

In essence, to heal yourself no longer require healing, right?

This is a much deeper subject and probably requires more detail then whats been supplied.



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 09:38 PM
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Being practical, I dont think you are going to feel love when you are talking to 'a devil' or troubled being. We really dont give ourselves enough credit, but I think we know in our hearts whether something is 'evil' or not.


Even from a philosophical standpoint, this simply isn't true. People do "evil" things all the time because they feel good. Serial killers end up becoming addicted to murder because to them, it feels good. That doesn't mean it is inherently good behavior. The same can be said from a spiritual standpoint. The bible (which many here discard as fiction) is very clear on this subject:

From 2nd corinthians:

King James:

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

New International:

"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve."

There are many accounts of people actually becoming possessed by playing around with ouija boards, channeling, etc. Even practitioners of ritual magick do not allow their bodies to be taken over by ANY spirit, and are extremely diligent in using protective rituals to ensure their safety against such forces.

I do not expect anyone to suddenly see things my way, as we all have our own belief systems and spiritual notions. But as someone who has some experience with these things, I know first hand the dangers of playing with these forces. Even more dangerous is to engage them in ignorance, believing that there is no possible way that something wicked will this way come. You could spend DECADES practicing this stuff and not feel like you have experienced anything "evil", until the damage is already done. It doesn't even need to fully manifest itself in the form of an infestation or anything that looks "demonic". It can manifest in your life in other areas. Financial matters, personal relationships, delusions, addictions, you name it.

The spiritual realm is the one area of life where if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it still might not be a duck.
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