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reply to post by thruthseek3r
It has been in just the past few years where a scientist weighed a terminally ill patient a minute or so before death, and then weighed the body a second or two after death.
There was found a small weight decrease. He attributed it to the soul leaving the body...therefore, the discrepancy proved to him at least...the assumption that if it could be weighed...it was real.
It was said to weigh 21 grams.
*FOOTNOTE: In attempting to provide a link, I found page after page both pro and con, where this testing was done by a variety of different scientists with an equal amount of different outcomes. Some of these went back to testing in 1904.
I suggest a simple searching from any search engines on this topic of the weight of the human soul. MS
edit on 09-22-2013 by mysterioustranger because: attempt to add link
Proving the existence of something that exists based only on faith seems like a steep challenge. I believe the reason the soul has not been found yet is not from lack of trying, but from the impossibility of crossing the spiritual world with the real world. One day we will all find out if the soul exists or not. For me, im not going to waste time on such non-sense, and enjoy every day that I have left to live.
reply to post by thruthseek3r
What if the conclusion comes back negative, and there is no soul?
I think another problem with your hypothesis is a definition for the soul. From your introductory post it seems, to me, that you believe that all the people of the world view the soul in the same way. This is not true. From our earliest civilizations (the Mesopotamians) to our most modern faiths (Buddhism and Christianity) the concept of the soul has changed significantly. For example:
In Sumer (earliest civilization of Mesopotamia) the afterlife was called Kur, and it was a dark and dreary Underworld. The dead were kept in a place known as the House of Dust, also called the palace of Ganzir, whose overseer was the goddess Ereškigal. The dead did not have a soul in Sumerian religion or spirituality. Instead, they became ghosts, phantoms of their former selves, who wandered through a variety of hazy, smoky, dark tunnels that existed somewhere beneath the Earth. Their image remained the same, but their personality slowly faded away with time, until only the fading shell of who they were remained to haunt sacred and profane places.
The ancient Egyptians had a much lighter, more friendly view of the soul. To the ancient Egyptian priests the soul was divided into five segments: the Ib, the Ka, the Ba, the Ren, and the Sheut. The Ren was your name, given to you at birth, and believed to be a key which opened the way for your destiny. The Sheut was your shadow, believed to be an independent entity that attached to you at birth. It worked in much the same was as our modern "astral body" did. The Ka and the Ba were the closest concepts the ancient Egyptians had to a modern "soul," if any. The Ba was your spirit, believed to be capable of exiting the body at death and journeying around Egypt and the Duat (Egyptian afterlife). Meanwhile the Ka was, roughly, the "spark of life" that originally gave your body breath and mobility. Without the Ba and the Ka you would never have been capable of sustaining yourself, and, a process of unification post-death of the Ka and Ba produced an Akh, or, "ghost" of you that could bring luck or misfortune to those you had known in life. The Ib, though, is probably the closest to modern ideas of the "soul," as the Ib (the heart) was believed to be the throne of personality and consciousness. The Ib is where all of your individual characteristics, quirks, and behaviors resided. The Ib is also what was weighed against the Feather of Maāt on the Scales of Osiris to judge whether you deserved admittance to the Egyptian afterlife.
In Hinduism the "soul" is known as an Atman, and it is believed to be immortal, cycling through every rebirth with you. However, your Atman does not retain your personality, just a record of the deeds and actions you have performed in this life, and all previous lives. Similar to the weighing of the Ib in Egypt, upon death your Atman was judged by Yama. Good deeds produced positive Karma (white stones), while bad deeds produced negative Karma (black stones). The good and bad deeds of your life were then weighed against each other to determine first, whether you would be reincarnated to Earth, a Hell-realm, or a Heaven-realm; and second, in what caste or form you would return. In Buddhism the idea of the Atman is taken in another direction entirely, as the Buddha preaches its impermanence, instead of its immortality. According to the Buddha your soul is as much an illusory element as your emotions, your thoughts, and your beliefs. Adhering to the Dharma, so as to attain Nirvana, and free yourself from the Wheel of Samsara is believed to detach you from your Atman, ending the cycle of reincarnation.
Even Wicca and Neo Paganism, so heavily based on Gaelic Revivalism, the "soul" has its own nature and path. From the ancient Irish Celts, to the Anglo-Saxon heathens, and on into modern Gardnerian, Saxon, and Dianic Wicca, ideas of transubstantiation, reincarnation, and impermanence run rampant in response to the soul. Some believed that the soul was immortal, spending a lifetime as any number of creatures: human, salmon, hawk, and so on. Others' believed that the soul and the spirit were no different from one another, and that the Otherworld, called Tír na nÓg, was a distant island paradise where the dead stayed young, beautiful, and full of life forever. Others' still believed in great halls, like Valhalla and Sessrúmnir, where the dead awaited the final, cataclysmic, battle.
I haven't even touched on the Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Sufi, Sikh, Zoroastrian, Slavic, or the vague New Age concepts of the soul. Yet, already it should be abundantly clear that the "soul" is neither simple, clear, nor well-defined in the history, mythology, or spirituality of our species. Before "science" can even begin to study the authenticity of the soul, "science" must first know what kind of soul it is searching for. To do that, you have to discard 99% of the world's ideas concerning the soul, and embrace the single concept of the soul that you believe in. And that is the biggest problem. Whatever concept of the soul you believe in, millions (if not billions) believe in a different one.
~ Wandering Scribe
reply to post by thruthseek3r
The problem is that, to be proven scientifically, you would need to be able to measure it with real physical instruments and to be able to replicate the observance reliably. There are frequencies of sound and light that we can't measure yet so... it might be a while before we can even begin to "film" a soul.
A shortcut would be to biologically replicate a human being, down to the very last detail. This would not be cloning, it would have to be a complete build of a person. If that person doesn't end up breathing and thinking on its own, then we can at least know that our consciousness is not a strict result of our biology as many "anti-soul" scientists believe.
Ill hope they never do, Know why? Then they know how to entrap the soul and we will never be free after death.. Some rumors go that when you die you will have three chances to get into the light , but there's also light that's false and lead you to entrapment of some alien race .. So I say no to finding the soul and when you die look for the real god divine light, because you don't want to get hoaxed after death..edit on 0b28America/ChicagoThu, 23 Jan 2014 17:08:28 -0600vAmerica/ChicagoThu, 23 Jan 2014 17:08:28 -06001 by 0bserver1 because: (no reason given)
Because if they did prove it. Do you know what that would mean?
That would change everything. People would be responsible, people would be aware that they are accountable for their actions. We would know that there are dark forces who are trying to take our souls. It would be obvious.....So the battle still continues. For now...edit on 23-1-2014 by bitsforbytes because: (no reason given)
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
They cant because their looking for a biological process that explains it.
Heres where they are missing it.
Tie gravity, consciousness or soul, electromagnetism and experience together all into 1 neat little pie.
It's all dependent on what you conceive the soul as being; I believe it's empirically evident that we all have souls given you can can define a soul as our distinct and diverse consciousnesses. The real trick is discovering if such a thing is eternal and through theoretical quantum science, people are looking at that as well. Though honestly I think in order to get a full look it requires examining phenomenon modern/traditional science typically scoffs at without much scrutiny.
The only people who would want to find the soul, are academic types. So they can then endlessly do research on something they have zero hope of comprehending. Or doing anything useful with.