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posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 08:47 PM
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Why would we not be able to be at or near the center of the universe?


Because mainstream physics says that the universe has no edge and no center




I see nothing mysterious about dark matter. It is an as of yet identified force conductor who's influence can easily be observed in cosmological interactions.


You see nothing mysterious about an invisible substance that cannot be detected or identified?

You must be smarter than Neil deGrasse Tyson.


"Dark matter. I get asked what it is. And my best answer is we haven't a clue. We don't know what it is," Tyson tells us. Read more: www.businessinsider.com...






posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:59 AM
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dusty1
Because mainstream physics says that the universe has no edge and no center


It has neither because every point if both the 'edge' and 'center'. Every point in the universe was in contact at the singularity.


You see nothing mysterious about an invisible substance that cannot be detected or identified?


No, because prior to Electrical Theory the electron's properties and interactions was not understood. It did not make the electron 'mysterious', only ill-defined. Eventually 'dark matter' will be identified and its properties cataloged.


You must be smarter than Neil deGrasse Tyson.


"Dark matter. I get asked what it is. And my best answer is we haven't a clue. We don't know what it is," Tyson tells us. Read more: www.businessinsider.com...


And if you ask Tyson why he would tell you that we have not gathered enough data. Not that it is some magical, undefinable substance.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 05:44 PM
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I see nothing mysterious about dark matter. It is an as of yet identified force conductor who's influence can easily be observed in cosmological interactions.
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I am beginning to think you don't understand what the word mysterious means.





Eventually 'dark matter' will be identified and its properties cataloged.


Or it won't.

"Dark Matter is the longest standing unsolved problem in modern astrophysics"




And if you ask Tyson why he would tell you that we have not gathered enough data. Not that it is some magical, undefinable substance.


Did you even watch the video?

On Dark Matter Tyson says and I quote "we haven't a clue", "85% of all the gravity has some Mysterious unknown source". "we don't know if it's even made of matter" "dark matter is just what we call this thing about which we know nothing"


Dark matter and abiogenesis are ideas.

Ideas which stem not from evidence, but a lack there of.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:16 PM
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I am beginning to think you don't understand what the word mysterious means.


What is relevant us your hyperbolic use of the word.




Or it won't.

"Dark Matter is the longest standing unsolved problem in modern astrophysics"


A few decades is nothing in the grand scheme. Human ingenuity will eventually determine what dark matter/energy is or manifests from.



Did you even watch the video?

On Dark Matter Tyson says and I quote "we haven't a clue", "85% of all the gravity has some Mysterious unknown source". "we don't know if it's even made of matter" "dark matter is just what we call this thing about which we know nothing"


And? Being that we do not know what it is at this point makes it what? Beyond the realm of physics? A never to be explained natural phenomenon?


Dark matter and abiogenesis are ideas.

Ideas which stem not from evidence, but a lack there of.


Dark matter/energy have observable and tangible affects on the observable universe, the evidence that something keeps the galaxy from spiraling apart is obvious.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 06:28 PM
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What is relevant us your hyperbolic use of the word.



You said dark matter was not mysterious.


mys·te·ri·ous məˈsti(ə)rēəs/ adjective adjective: mysterious

1. difficult or impossible to understand, explain, or identify.


Try Google.

It can be helpful.


About 39,500,000 results (0.17 seconds



The Incredible Dark Matter Mystery: Why Astronomers Say it is Missing in Action


MIT


The scientific consensus is dark matter is a mystery.





And? Being that we do not know what it is at this point makes it what? Beyond the realm of physics? A never to be explained natural phenomenon?


Perhaps it makes it a bit mysterious?



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 06:36 PM
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Dark matter/energy have observable and tangible affects on the observable universe, the evidence that something keeps the galaxy from spiraling apart is obvious.


I find your acceptance of dark matter/energy interesting.

It cannot as of yet be directly observed.

However it's effects, can be observed.

You do however believe that in the future dark matter/energy will be observed.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 06:42 PM
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dusty1
Because mainstream physics says that the universe has no edge and no center.

I guess it's just a matter of perspective. Since the entire universe once occupied a tiny little bit of reality and everything was crunched down into it, it was essentially where I am right now. Then everything expanded from this point. So I'm at the center of the universe. That's the way I like to look at it.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:04 AM
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dusty1
You said dark matter was not mysterious.


Not in the manner in which your posts seem to use this word to discount the subject of dark matter/energy.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 07:06 AM
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dusty1
I find your acceptance of dark matter/energy interesting.

It cannot as of yet be directly observed.

However it's effects, can be observed.

You do however believe that in the future dark matter/energy will be observed.


Yeah, similar to the electron a hundred years ago.

We knew it was there. We could observe its effects. We could not see it physically. Until now.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 12:19 AM
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Not in the manner in which your posts seem to use this word to discount the subject of dark matter/energy.


I use the term mysterious the same way that many science articles do.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 12:23 AM
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Yeah, similar to the electron a hundred years ago.



Or maybe similar to Aether.

Dark Matter simply fills in the gaps of a model of the universe.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 07:22 AM
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originally posted by: dusty1
I use the term mysterious the same way that many science articles do.


No, scientists are not using the word to discount the phenomenon.


Or maybe similar to Aether.

Dark Matter simply fills in the gaps of a model of the universe.


Except the concept of the Aether directly lead to Huygens discovering the wave theory of light which leads eventually to the photon.

It also lead to Newton postulating a force conveyor for gravity which leads to the graviton.

The fact that there is an observable phenomenon affecting gravitational interactions throughout the universe makes it obvious that there is a force/particle causing them. You are getting too hung up on the name and the fact that we do not completely understand the cause. Eventually we will.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 02:41 PM
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The fact that there is an observable phenomenon affecting gravitational interactions throughout the universe makes it obvious that there is a force/particle causing them.


Or the model of the universe is flawed.

"Missing mass" according to the current model of the universe.

Or the model is correct and this unseen invisible thing influences the universe.

I actually have a belief system that allows for this type of thing already.


You are getting too hung up on the name and the fact that we do not completely understand the cause. Eventually we will.



We don't understand the cause at all.

Just like abiogenesis.


Which brings me back to the topic of this discussion.


I applaud your defense of the idea of Dark Matter. It is an interesting topic.

You defend the idea of a thing or force that can not be directly observed, but has a visible effect on the universe.

You cannot see it or observe it, but you are confident that someday you will.


Once again, I have a belief system that mirrors yours.

We can only observe a small portion of the universe.

There is much we cannot see, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist


I agree that sometimes we all just get hung up on what we call it.



posted on Apr, 19 2014 @ 08:36 AM
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originally posted by: dusty1

Or the model of the universe is flawed.

"Missing mass" according to the current model of the universe.

Or the model is correct and this unseen invisible thing influences the universe.

I actually have a belief system that allows for this type of thing already.


Then you should not mind explaining how your system explains the observed phenomenon.


We don't understand the cause at all.


There are several solid hypotheses that outline what could be constituting dark matter/energy. As they move through the testing phase the results will either prove or disprove them. There have already been experiments that have presented data outlining that they have detected non-baryonic particles which would be evidence for dark matter. They need to be vetted and replicated before moving forward.


You defend the idea of a thing or force that can not be directly observed, but has a visible effect on the universe.

You cannot see it or observe it, but you are confident that someday you will.


You analogy is flawed. My support of dark matter/energy as a influencing factor in the universe is based on the reported data. I was initially skeptical of this hypothesis when it was first promoted but as the experiments progressed I have come to feel that it is an accurate representation on the observable universe that explains gravitational interactions between objects.





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