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posted on Jan, 28 2014 @ 11:53 PM
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droid56
It's a big mystery. Don't let the religious types tell you otherwise. When we die we will either lose all consciousness (totally gone) or we will enter another dimension.

My vote is for the second possibility. But it won't be a mythical heaven ruled by Jesus.

It's the ultimate mystery.


OH! Trust me, when I say, YOU will enter another dimension alright, as in one of an animalistic in nature like, as of evil's dimension or one of an Angelistic in Nature like, as of God's dimension, as I have been led into each other worlds and or dimensions, as you see and or may know...one does not have to die/passover to enter either dimensions, but only be led into either one, as with angels of evil or Angels of God, as they both fight for your very soul, as for all eternity to come and as I said, I was and have been in both, as was taken into both worlds and or dimensions...of the hereafter and or after-life and or as we know it here in this world.

Please! Don't tell others to not believe in God, nor evil, as both God and evil are, as real, as real can and or does get...I can assure you & many of many a poor lost soul will tell you, when ask, that they did, in fact, sell their very soul to Satan...for riches and gain here in this life, as in 97% of all rock & movie stars have, as they report for US.


Just the facts, as I know them to be and can prove who we all really are...Spirit Beings




posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 12:08 AM
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YES! It is said, that there are about 240 different aspects of this universe that if but just one were off by 1 Millionth of an inch or 1 Millionth of a second...none of this universe could nor would have been and it is said, also, it would be like a tornado going through a junkyard and creating a 747 Jumbo Jet, as would be about the same odds of this all being by chance. So! This is all by creation and not chance or some kind of a coincidence...

THIS UNIVERSE WAS BY A CREATOR, as even WE TOO ARE MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE

, as well.



greyer
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Our terms of administrative duties are probably different.

We now have proof that the ancient Israelites were correct. They had achieved spiritual wisdom and were the first group to identify one God as the sole creator of the universe.

Well, if the construction of the solar system is not enough for skeptics (which it is enough because there is no way there could ever be so many details existing in space and coordinating with each other exactly and in harmony), in this day and age we can actually see the universe being created. With our visual identification in this future day, we can see that the universe all came from one force, one Creator.

As you see this woven universe shortly after the creation of the universe, it all came from a central point and was connected, we cannot see or do not know what happened before that central point.





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posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 12:32 AM
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What are the odds that humans are not the most intelligent life form. I'd say that it might be the case that were close but we always seem to suffering under an egocentric illusion that we are number one. We thought the earth was the centre of everything but its now a very small part. When things seem to be going well, we get a reminder like the Black death, that we are sadly inadequate. The most adapted life form to the most gruelling conditions that can and cannot be imagined would tend to be the most advanced. For a third of our lives we are dependent and still growing, the body is good but the mind is not developed, for the other third the mind is sharp but the body is failing, the last third is a slow decline. Even the things we do well like create civilisations seem to have a shelf life. When we think we have cracked it, Population numbers explode to the point of ineptitude, where the food supply and population density make things dicey.
To say who runs the afterlife , we have to include the question of who runs the pre life or even who runs life. defined as something that permits and guides consciousness to exist as defined packets? Its something advanced compared to us, something that can control us, but something we cant control. So could when all is said and done, are UFO living entities, that we think are machines, who are so advanced can control how and what we think if required. In fact a life form that does not just require a planet but that is a bio form that exists to maintain a greater planetary/ interplanetary or even galactic eco system, as opposed to merely a terrestrial one. Id say they might organise things.



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 02:03 AM
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There's a strong possibility that you control the after-life yourself with your belief system. Make sure you have a good one to hold on to when you go!
When you hear of people that have had NDE's you will find it mostly corresponds to what they believe. For instance i have heard certain stories of NDE's involving people that believe they where going to hell and lo and behold their religion has been Catholicism. You have the power, be careful not to waste it and trap yourself! Nice thread by the way.



posted on Jan, 29 2014 @ 09:58 PM
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DrunkYogi
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There's a strong possibility that you control the after-life yourself with your belief system. Make sure you have a good one to hold on to when you go!
When you hear of people that have had NDE's you will find it mostly corresponds to what they believe. For instance i have heard certain stories of NDE's involving people that believe they where going to hell and lo and behold their religion has been Catholicism. You have the power, be careful not to waste it and trap yourself! Nice thread by the way.


I've got no religion, but I strongly believe we go on. Quite confident, in fact. But I hope I can maintain a skeptical attitude after I die. I don't feel totally confident that we are operating in an ultimately benevolent system. We might be, and I strongly hope we are, but I'm not sure we are.



posted on Jan, 30 2014 @ 11:43 PM
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Here is a scenario I have read about on the internet. The ultimate pyramid of power starts with alien non-humans and then extends down into humans who are devoted to only power and wealth. This second level of control has control over the top level politicians. The human wealth-power junkies are not able to tell the non-human aliens what to do. The non-human aliens are in charge, for the most part.

Is this actually true? I don't know. It's not impossible, in my opinion. OK, I'm crazy!
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posted on Jan, 31 2014 @ 12:26 AM
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Who controls the afterlife?


I asked myself a similar question when I was a kid and it's come back again from time to time. Just thinking about it has led me to suspect there's no afterlife...at least none that looks anything like popular beliefs.

Popular belief-systems are usually like Broadway productions concealing the boredom of admin stafffers. Death would mean clipboards and tick-boxes and quality control checks by nerds. Sure, folk can dress it all up with characters decked out in wings, or pitchforks, but aren't they all still like bean-counters? In spite of the set designs of hordes of demons or beautiful choirs, it's basically a purported situation of queuing up to have some clerical guy stamp your forms.

If that was the case, the bean-counter would have some higher level of quality control and line-manager. There'd be audits to make sure they were processing their cases - tormenting enough lost souls or increased serenading to meet targets. These staffers would presumably want to progress and become line-managers themselves in the future. That would mean levels of bureaucracy, policy-updates and documentation that would outweigh the trickling human traffic.

Seems an absurd possibility imo.



posted on Jan, 31 2014 @ 12:54 AM
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The scary idea is that bald headed not completely 3D aliens are in charge of our world after we die.



posted on Jan, 31 2014 @ 12:17 PM
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you dont are the body nor the mind you are catch in the material plane and material know that catch us in the nature of material plane and know that is agree confirm of material nature in everything by your self and program your self in material nature that dont make you know more about your self in your self true nature of intuition instintive plane and know of your self in this case you are the observer of the material plane that agree confirm everything the other observer is the observer of intuition instintive of your self true nature to know more about your self opinions change to reprogramm so you always agree confirm in the material plane that desconnect from your self true nature of intuition instintive and subconscious inconscious origins of thoughts of your self that you have in your self true nature to know more about your self and by confident of your self intuition instintive and have more subconscious inconscious interaction to know more about your self and use your self intuition instintive and forget the material plane that catch us with agree confirm in everything that make forget to know more about your self and what you think that know
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TRANSCEND TRANSCEND TRANSCEND TRANSCEND YOU DONT ARE THE BODY NOR MIND YOU DONT ARE THE BODY NOR MIND TRANSCEND TRANSCEND YOU DONT ARE THE BODY NOR MIND
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posted on Jan, 31 2014 @ 01:00 PM
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I have some limited information on the afterlife with proof. I told my story on other threads (Who has had more than one paranormal experience, page 219 to 220). We lost my 30 year old son a year ago, and with-in one day after his death, he interrupted his sisters cell phone and spoke to her, and on later unanswered calls, as callers left voice-mails, his voice over-laid theirs and were recorded. We have 10 recorded messages and 5-6 others not recorded and experienced by 4 family members, with many other related para-normal events related to him in the last year affecting dozens of family and friends. These ranged from lights dimming when we talk about him in groups, to young children quoting very obscure things he said that are beyond random chance, to secret information given in lucid dreams, like a family member being told she is pregnant within weeks of becoming pregnant, and well before any confirmation or exams. We have the recordings which were sent to various specialists for analysis, no one has any feedback of tampering or got much more from the messages than we did). I realize that unless you were there and know our credibility, and how this unfolded, few will believe me. But 100% proof of an afterlife to hundreds who shared in these events with my family.

He mentions several times seeing many people, that he loves us, used little known nick-names, and its his voice that only a close family member would know for certain. He mentions decrease family members who he is "hanging-out with", does not mention any deity. Couple of times he starts to talk about where he is, and what it is like there, "if you want to know what its like.." and on another "Its sooo crazy without, I assume, his body but the next words are not clear and the message gets garbled- could be some type of censureship ? We can't understand some messages at all, and only parts of others, yet some parts are very clear. Soft rasphy voice but my son. This is not auditory matrixing and mental projection.

He had been ill for a long time, he says he is better now, its hard to come over, will visit us at our house, loves us, mentions our names, says "they don't know much" which seems to mean that passing over does not produce answers to all questions, but clearly you get to communicate with many others and your memory is intact. One cell phone call to a family member was just before his funeral and he says to be careful what you say (presumably at his funeral). We hear him say "ah" often between sentencea, while thinking what to say next,and even says "bye" at the end of some messages. They are all 5-6 sentences long, and seem to be produced by taking the cell phone electro-magnetic energy coming from the in-coming calls and reusing that energy at the phone speaker. But the best thing said is at the end of the 2nd message, just 2 days after his death, he says at the end "he is happy"... its sooo perfect".

Hope that helps, I am in late 60's and we are all comforted by the certain knowledge we will see him again, and probably most or all loved ones, it has changed the concept of death for my family. Hope that does the same for you, I am a honest person and my family is highly educated professionals involved in the human services professions.
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posted on Jan, 31 2014 @ 06:54 PM
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retsdeeps1
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I have some limited information on the afterlife with proof. I told my story on other threads (Who has had more than one paranormal experience, page 219 to 220). We lost my 30 year old son a year ago, and with-in one day after his death, he interrupted his sisters cell phone and spoke to her, and on later unanswered calls, as callers left voice-mails, his voice over-laid theirs and were recorded. We have 10 recorded messages and 5-6 others not recorded and experienced by 4 family members, with many other related para-normal events related to him in the last year affecting dozens of family and friends. These ranged from lights dimming when we talk about him in groups, to young children quoting very obscure things he said that are beyond random chance, to secret information given in lucid dreams, like a family member being told she is pregnant within weeks of becoming pregnant, and well before any confirmation or exams. We have the recordings which were sent to various specialists for analysis, no one has any feedback of tampering or got much more from the messages than we did). I realize that unless you were there and know our credibility, and how this unfolded, few will believe me. But 100% proof of an afterlife to hundreds who shared in these events with my family.

He mentions several times seeing many people, that he loves us, used little known nick-names, and its his voice that only a close family member would know for certain. He mentions decrease family members who he is "hanging-out with", does not mention any deity. Couple of times he starts to talk about where he is, and what it is like there, "if you want to know what its like.." and on another "Its sooo crazy without, I assume, his body but the next words are not clear and the message gets garbled- could be some type of censureship ? We can't understand some messages at all, and only parts of others, yet some parts are very clear. Soft rasphy voice but my son. This is not auditory matrixing and mental projection.

He had been ill for a long time, he says he is better now, its hard to come over, will visit us at our house, loves us, mentions our names, says "they don't know much" which seems to mean that passing over does not produce answers to all questions, but clearly you get to communicate with many others and your memory is intact. One cell phone call to a family member was just before his funeral and he says to be careful what you say (presumably at his funeral). We hear him say "ah" often between sentencea, while thinking what to say next,and even says "bye" at the end of some messages. They are all 5-6 sentences long, and seem to be produced by taking the cell phone electro-magnetic energy coming from the in-coming calls and reusing that energy at the phone speaker. But the best thing said is at the end of the 2nd message, just 2 days after his death, he says at the end "he is happy"... its sooo perfect".

Hope that helps, I am in late 60's and we are all comforted by the certain knowledge we will see him again, and probably most or all loved ones, it has changed the concept of death for my family. Hope that does the same for you, I am a honest person and my family is highly educated professionals involved in the human services professions.
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The information in your account lines up with what I've found in my research fairly well. Thank you for sharing it.



posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 11:26 AM
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posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 11:50 AM
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Quote of Droid56

Re: "We now have proof that the ancient Israelites were correct. They had achieved spiritual wisdom and were the first group to identify one God as the sole creator of the universe. "


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Well the Hebrew old testament era is something like 1200 or 1400 BCE, so that's not that old when you consider other cultures in the region, like Mesopotania (Sumeria), and Egypt go back to 3,000-4,000 BCE. Abraham, if I remember correctly, came with his large family of herders from Sumeria to Egypt, both of which are thousand of years older than Hebrew culture.

So when was the religion of Egypt based on one God ? Akhenaten who was King Tut's father, converted the country to worship of RA, the monotheistic single God (the sun) about 500 years before the Hebrew's and the time of Moses (1,800 BCE vs 1,200 BCE for Moses). Someone correct me if I'm off a few centuries. But King Tut didn't stick with monotheism when he took over from dad, and reverted to polytheism.

Just as Christianity is a fusion and evolution of older fertility religion ideas, (Sumarian and others) who performed a ritual communion with God by the ceremonial consumption of the body of the Son of God as an act of forgiveness many thousands of years earlier than Jesus. And the Hebrews had other examples of a one God belief system, sorry fundamentalists, not original beliefs to either Hebrew or Christian religions.
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posted on Feb, 2 2014 @ 01:17 AM
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The old religions have nothing to tell me. They are constructs devised to keep us under control.

The stories from those that have experienced near death and otherwise are much more important.

But even those stories are suspect because the aliens have a powerful influence over our perceptions.



posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 09:41 PM
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Strayed

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Christ is the one who has been given the authority over the after life, he holds the keys over death and hell.. It is as simple as that.


Is that right? On who's authority? And who gave the entity that gave them the authority the authority to do so? That's dogmatic indoctrination speaking isn't it? Why have creatures of free will if only to be subordinate to some other sentient entity's ideal or face the punishment of your hell? Ludicrous.


On God's authority, as on high, as the Creator of all Creation and yes you have a free will...to be with, as within God or not to be with, as within God, of which would seem like hell if you don't believe, as we know Satan is real and you'll just be with, as within it...if not, as we also know this all is by Creation, as the odds are to high to not be.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 12:17 AM
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Evil exists but Satan is a mythical creation. Christianity is a control devise by non-humans and humans who have big plans.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 12:40 AM
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The answer is your self.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 12:42 AM
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I control the afterlife! I choose for everyone that dies to go into complete non existence, so in essence you afterlife is no afterlife..... You're welcome



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 01:09 AM
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CaticusMaximus

droid56

Who controls the afterlife?


You do, droid.

Well, at least you control your OWN afterlife.

The afterlife is highly dependent on what the individual experiencing it thinks it will be like.

A person with deep religious delusi- errr, I mean convictions (
), is going to experience whatever their religion tells them to believe they will experience. A person who has no religion, or even spirituality for that matter, who truly believes that nothing will happen, will experience something very akin to just that; a relative void of sensing. Mind you since their minds are eternal, it then becomes a game of self-delusion and of maximizing deliberate obtuseness at that point, seeing how long they can deny what is blatantly obvious (that they still exist). Others who believe in nothing, but are not adamantly opposed to anything either, which IMO is really the majority of people regardless of stated beliefs, will experience something more mundane, and generic, but no less valid... simply a more cookie-cutter experience, generated not on conscious beliefs but subconscious human societal and even evolutionary conditioning as to what is good and what is bad (ex: light [day, warm, comforting golden sun, high visibility which is good for detecting approaching lions] = good, dark [night, cold, eerie silver moon, cant see # so lions are everywhere trying to eat you] = bad)

Basically, what do you WANT to happen? Decide now, and long for it, and to a high degree of probability, it will happen.

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That said, I just wanted to add that it is ingrained into the human psyche to default in paradigm to hierarchical thinking, because the human was designed as a slave species to serve and not question "authority". But in the afterlife, there is no "authority" over you but you. You, the spirit, are the absolute sovereign of your being, and can be neither compelled nor coerced to do anything against your will. Influenced, perhaps. Suggested things, of course. But never forced to do any of it.

If you yield sovereignty in the afterlife, its just another game you choose to play, wittingly or unwittingly, a game of illusion and deception.

Ultimately, all spirits are equal (but still unique). Everyone has an equal say in how creation unfolds, so to speak, and gets an equal vote of what to manifest here (and consensus realities elsewhere occupied by more than 1 will). Thats why I say often on the boards that society as it is is a perfect manifestation of the peoples will, because truly it could not be any other way. Everyone gets an equal say in the form of the hearts desire, so to speak, and whatever is most desired for by the collective, will manifest.

Reality is a perfect reflector of will, and in a consensus reality, a perfect reflector of the collective will.

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So again, who controls the afterlife?

You do, droid.

It could be no other way


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So those terrorists will indeed get that harem of virgin's after all? Dang, I like that happy ending to a life filled with murdering others for my holy wars and my bombing of infidels.(just for an example) I guess that is all excused simply because I will it to be, just like the green lantern can do? (well, sort of)
All of your statements have been garnered from your own set of values, which are flawed in many ways, but the biggest flaw is that you don't know for sure what the afterlife will be for you or me. So, using the things you hope it is and discounting those religion type peoples "fantasies" , everything will be perfect for ya? you better hope you are right, because that is a bigger gamble than betting you can defeat an ocean of sharks in an unarmed battle.
I'' think the afterlife is teaming with souls who tried to believe their afterlife would be a paradise just because they will it to be, but are now being seen and heard by all the Ghostbusters hah hah... That is a spooky future to leave in my own hands or that I can personally make my next life anything I want.. And you say everyone else is delusional... Okay...



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 03:04 PM
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droid56
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Evil exists but Satan is a mythical creation. Christianity is a control devise by non-humans and humans who have big plans.


Evil, Saran or Lucifer...I just know I'd hate to have it wrong and lose. Seems we have God's right hand man being thrown out of heaven along with it's angels of evil followers , as well...but we also seem to have had Mars too where we find artifacts of ancient times, as a long ago planet we might have came from that got to close to our sun, as we will one day too and yet we have of what we call Aliens that some how made us to mine their gold, as their slaves with changed DNA. Go figure, but, as I said, "I'd hate to be wrong".





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