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droid56
It's a big mystery. Don't let the religious types tell you otherwise. When we die we will either lose all consciousness (totally gone) or we will enter another dimension.
My vote is for the second possibility. But it won't be a mythical heaven ruled by Jesus.
It's the ultimate mystery.
greyer
reply to post by droid56
Our terms of administrative duties are probably different.
We now have proof that the ancient Israelites were correct. They had achieved spiritual wisdom and were the first group to identify one God as the sole creator of the universe.
Well, if the construction of the solar system is not enough for skeptics (which it is enough because there is no way there could ever be so many details existing in space and coordinating with each other exactly and in harmony), in this day and age we can actually see the universe being created. With our visual identification in this future day, we can see that the universe all came from one force, one Creator.
As you see this woven universe shortly after the creation of the universe, it all came from a central point and was connected, we cannot see or do not know what happened before that central point.
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DrunkYogi
reply to post by droid56
There's a strong possibility that you control the after-life yourself with your belief system. Make sure you have a good one to hold on to when you go! When you hear of people that have had NDE's you will find it mostly corresponds to what they believe. For instance i have heard certain stories of NDE's involving people that believe they where going to hell and lo and behold their religion has been Catholicism. You have the power, be careful not to waste it and trap yourself! Nice thread by the way.
Who controls the afterlife?
retsdeeps1
reply to post by TheSpiritForce1
I have some limited information on the afterlife with proof. I told my story on other threads (Who has had more than one paranormal experience, page 219 to 220). We lost my 30 year old son a year ago, and with-in one day after his death, he interrupted his sisters cell phone and spoke to her, and on later unanswered calls, as callers left voice-mails, his voice over-laid theirs and were recorded. We have 10 recorded messages and 5-6 others not recorded and experienced by 4 family members, with many other related para-normal events related to him in the last year affecting dozens of family and friends. These ranged from lights dimming when we talk about him in groups, to young children quoting very obscure things he said that are beyond random chance, to secret information given in lucid dreams, like a family member being told she is pregnant within weeks of becoming pregnant, and well before any confirmation or exams. We have the recordings which were sent to various specialists for analysis, no one has any feedback of tampering or got much more from the messages than we did). I realize that unless you were there and know our credibility, and how this unfolded, few will believe me. But 100% proof of an afterlife to hundreds who shared in these events with my family.
He mentions several times seeing many people, that he loves us, used little known nick-names, and its his voice that only a close family member would know for certain. He mentions decrease family members who he is "hanging-out with", does not mention any deity. Couple of times he starts to talk about where he is, and what it is like there, "if you want to know what its like.." and on another "Its sooo crazy without, I assume, his body but the next words are not clear and the message gets garbled- could be some type of censureship ? We can't understand some messages at all, and only parts of others, yet some parts are very clear. Soft rasphy voice but my son. This is not auditory matrixing and mental projection.
He had been ill for a long time, he says he is better now, its hard to come over, will visit us at our house, loves us, mentions our names, says "they don't know much" which seems to mean that passing over does not produce answers to all questions, but clearly you get to communicate with many others and your memory is intact. One cell phone call to a family member was just before his funeral and he says to be careful what you say (presumably at his funeral). We hear him say "ah" often between sentencea, while thinking what to say next,and even says "bye" at the end of some messages. They are all 5-6 sentences long, and seem to be produced by taking the cell phone electro-magnetic energy coming from the in-coming calls and reusing that energy at the phone speaker. But the best thing said is at the end of the 2nd message, just 2 days after his death, he says at the end "he is happy"... its sooo perfect".
Hope that helps, I am in late 60's and we are all comforted by the certain knowledge we will see him again, and probably most or all loved ones, it has changed the concept of death for my family. Hope that does the same for you, I am a honest person and my family is highly educated professionals involved in the human services professions.edit on 31-1-2014 by retsdeeps1 because: (no reason given)edit on 31-1-2014 by retsdeeps1 because: (no reason given)
Strayed
alienreality
Christ is the one who has been given the authority over the after life, he holds the keys over death and hell.. It is as simple as that.
Is that right? On who's authority? And who gave the entity that gave them the authority the authority to do so? That's dogmatic indoctrination speaking isn't it? Why have creatures of free will if only to be subordinate to some other sentient entity's ideal or face the punishment of your hell? Ludicrous.
CaticusMaximus
droid56
Who controls the afterlife?
You do, droid.
Well, at least you control your OWN afterlife.
The afterlife is highly dependent on what the individual experiencing it thinks it will be like.
A person with deep religious delusi- errr, I mean convictions ( ), is going to experience whatever their religion tells them to believe they will experience. A person who has no religion, or even spirituality for that matter, who truly believes that nothing will happen, will experience something very akin to just that; a relative void of sensing. Mind you since their minds are eternal, it then becomes a game of self-delusion and of maximizing deliberate obtuseness at that point, seeing how long they can deny what is blatantly obvious (that they still exist). Others who believe in nothing, but are not adamantly opposed to anything either, which IMO is really the majority of people regardless of stated beliefs, will experience something more mundane, and generic, but no less valid... simply a more cookie-cutter experience, generated not on conscious beliefs but subconscious human societal and even evolutionary conditioning as to what is good and what is bad (ex: light [day, warm, comforting golden sun, high visibility which is good for detecting approaching lions] = good, dark [night, cold, eerie silver moon, cant see # so lions are everywhere trying to eat you] = bad)
Basically, what do you WANT to happen? Decide now, and long for it, and to a high degree of probability, it will happen.
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That said, I just wanted to add that it is ingrained into the human psyche to default in paradigm to hierarchical thinking, because the human was designed as a slave species to serve and not question "authority". But in the afterlife, there is no "authority" over you but you. You, the spirit, are the absolute sovereign of your being, and can be neither compelled nor coerced to do anything against your will. Influenced, perhaps. Suggested things, of course. But never forced to do any of it.
If you yield sovereignty in the afterlife, its just another game you choose to play, wittingly or unwittingly, a game of illusion and deception.
Ultimately, all spirits are equal (but still unique). Everyone has an equal say in how creation unfolds, so to speak, and gets an equal vote of what to manifest here (and consensus realities elsewhere occupied by more than 1 will). Thats why I say often on the boards that society as it is is a perfect manifestation of the peoples will, because truly it could not be any other way. Everyone gets an equal say in the form of the hearts desire, so to speak, and whatever is most desired for by the collective, will manifest.
Reality is a perfect reflector of will, and in a consensus reality, a perfect reflector of the collective will.
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So again, who controls the afterlife?
You do, droid.
It could be no other way
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droid56
reply to post by TheSpiritForce1
Evil exists but Satan is a mythical creation. Christianity is a control devise by non-humans and humans who have big plans.