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Eliminating ignorance in the chemtrail debates

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posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 07:24 AM
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This is all verifiable. You can look it up.

First off, Chaff is not contrails/chemtrails. It's not visible in the sky except by radar. (hence, it's job to disrupt radar)

Second, cloud seeding is not contrails/chemtrails. Cloud seeding happens with existing clouds and cannot be seen from the ground. (as it happens just above the existing clouds) It doesn't get dispersed in a line, but a burst. It's normal, legal, and been going on for over 60 years.

If you disagree, bring more than just words, bring facts. Verifiable facts.

If you agree and you see this mistake being made, please bring it to the posters attention. Spread truth, not lies.




posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 07:32 AM
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I would really be interested in reading a debate between the believers, and non believers. Seems this chem-trail issue is pretty hot on here lately.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 07:37 AM
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There are plenty of those exchanges. And the outcome fully depends on your position. If you are a chemtrail believer, noting said can persuade them away from their beliefs. The debunkers bring science and common sense and it's ignored by most.

An exercise in futility. But every now and then you get a poster who is on the fence and you can get them to discuss logically. (that's when we learn the most)



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 07:44 AM
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network dude
If you are a chemtrail believer, noting said can persuade them away from their beliefs.


If you are a non-believer nothing can be said to persuade you away from your beliefs. Whats your point? I have never taken any side but I have seen this of both sides and both sides throwing poo at each other. I do recall one bit of fact about this subject though. I was sitting in sixth grade in Oklahoma and my teacher mentioned chemtrails. He said it was weather modification experimentation and that he wasn't supposed to talk about it. Apparently he had worked on one of the projects. Do I care? No.

This website in the beginning was about conspiracy theories. Lately it has come to be about disproving conspiracy theories and it seems to me there is an awful lot of insults being flung around. IMHO the site was better the way it was. There was far less insulting and infighting going on.


edit on 22-1-2014 by Pimpintology because: of formatting purposes.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 07:50 AM
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Oh dear E.T's! Not this debate again. It's like religion against athiests. No matter what you believe or proof the other side will never agree.

I have done my research and from all that i came to the conclusion that chemtrails are real. And what anybody else believes is there problem



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 07:51 AM
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The fact is stuff is being sprayed into our atmosphere, it has been for decades.

But, contrary to popular belief amongst some circles, said chemicals or what have you, are not being sprayed into our atmosphere as a means of population control or to keep the populous docile and complacent.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 07:53 AM
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Pimpintology


If you are a non-believer nothing can be said to persuade you away from your beliefs.

I disagree. If you as a believer brought something that proved chemtrails were real, there would be no way to deny it.

But this thread is about removing two of the misconceptions from the debate.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 07:54 AM
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kimish
But, contrary to popular belief amongst some circles, said chemicals or what have you, are not being sprayed into our atmosphere as a means of population control or to keep the populous docile and complacent.


But why do I always feel so chill?



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 07:56 AM
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But is this "stuff" frozen water droplets, or some sinister chemical?

All the science of contrails seems to explain their formation pretty well.

And the UN and IPCC both have a ban on geo-engineering practices. (it's not supposed to be done at all)



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 07:56 AM
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haha, it's not from the stuff sprayed in the atmosphere



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 07:58 AM
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reply to post by network dude
 


Fission Surplus laid out what is being sprayed in his/her thread.

My point is, that there is no sinister agenda behind the chem-trails, ie. population control, etc. If that were the case then the ptb and all of the other elitists would be signing there own death certificates as well. After all, we breath the same air.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 08:02 AM
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Fission Surplus laid out what is being sprayed in his/her thread


Oh my! No they didn't.

Check out my post in that thread for a fun experiment you can do to see why.

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edit on 22-1-2014 by AlphaHawk because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 08:04 AM
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How's saying goes: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink!

Verifiable facts (with all that juicy stuff):

Unethical human experimentation in the United States

Revealed: Army scientists secretly sprayed St Louis with 'radioactive' particles for YEARS to test chemical warfare technology

History Secret Experiments Conducted on U.S. Citizens

Did they spray poison on humans?
Where are the indictments for crimes against humanity?


The human research programs were usually highly secretive, and in many cases information about them was not released until many years after the studies had been performed.


You're asking for verifiable proof, when you already know it's not going to happen because it's highly classified just like previous experiments on humans.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 08:11 AM
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Oh yeah, I remember that lol. But, the fact is that there is stuff sprayed in our atmosphere.

Disclaimer: I do not believe in the Chemtrail depopulation theory.

In my neck of the woods, planes fly overhead spraying for West Nile Virus and to an extent even rabies vaccinations are sprayed or put onto morsels and dropped for critters to eat. Planes also fly about all over for cloud seeding purposes.

I think that some people seeing planes fly overhead cloud seeding, spraying pesticides and/or vaccinations are paranoid and this is why we have the 'Chemtrail' conspiracy.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 08:13 AM
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I believe all of that happens a lot but not as often and much as the Chemtrail groupies think it does.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 08:52 AM
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So you believe that since it happened then, it must be happening now? What about all the other experiments? Why aren't we dropping more nukes? After all, we did it before?



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 08:56 AM
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I think you may have missed the point of this thread.

I was outlining two very common mistakes made in this particular debate. The same two you just mentioned. There has been so much bad information put out that folks don't know what's true, and what's junk.

Cloud seeding is normal. It doesn't look anything like chemtrails/contrails. Military Chaff (as Fission Surplus mentioned) is also normal, and cannot be seen from the ground. Only with radar. So neither of those can or should be brought up in the contrail/chemtrail debate. It just distracts from the point. Muddies the waters. (IMHO)



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 09:03 AM
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network dude
It just distracts from the point. Muddies the waters. (IMHO)


You have a problem with Muddy Waters?



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 09:07 AM
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reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
 


Hell no, I love the blues.

but it's hell to see through.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 09:45 AM
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reply to post by network dude
 

It's not that much important what do I beleive.
The point is that term 'chemtrail' exists with reason, it's a proven fact and that is: Spraying chemicals (poisons) to deliberately infect humans.
This goes against your theory that term 'chemtrails' doesn't exist.

Now, are they still doing it:
Nazis did this during WWII.
Did we learn not do it again? NO!
US Military did it AGAIN on their own citizens.
So, how safe it is to tell again they aren't still doing it?

One more thing...
If a person is poisoned with chemicals, chemists do not look for poison directly, they are using another compounds which reacts with poison, and by measuring the reaction they know if a person is poisoned.
One important thing to notice is that chemists also need to know what they are looking for (KNOWN poisons), otherwise they will not find it.
That said, what if they developed NEW chemical compounds (poisons) which cannot be detected?
Think about it...



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