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The real Skynet is being developed with a new approach to robotics that actually might work!

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posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 12:08 AM
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With communication close to the speed of light and a database started by humans and then added to by the Robots themselves this idea might actually work ? Skynet, Cloudnet, RoboEarth (net)... Hummm


The most recent development sought by the European Union is even more startling: a cloud network where robots can do their own research, communicate with one another, and collectively increase their intelligence in a full simulation of human interaction.

I really wish I was making this up...

The project name makes it clear where the final frontier lies: RoboEarth. A team of scientists from 6 research institutes including Philips electronics and Eindhoven University of Technology in the Netherlands have developed a prototype for an Internet "Wikipedia For Robots,"

The project seeks to create robots’ very own cloud: a vast network, database and computation engine “where robots can share information and learn from each other about their behavior and their environment.”

www.activistpost.com...

www.33rdsquare.com...


The RoboEarth project aims to build a cloud computing platform for robotics. After four years of research, scientists at Eindhoven University of Technology (TU/e), Philips and four other European universities will present this online platform through which robots can learn new skills from each other worldwide.



RoboEarth, then, is cloud storage and computing for robots: its database is intended to store knowledge created by both humans and robots in a robot-readable open format. To date, that knowledge is basic: maps to help mobile robots navigate; task information like how to pick up a cup; and object-recognition data such as digital models of real-world objects.
The system also lets robots offload some of their computational tasks to “a powerful and secure” cloud-computing engine.

Most robots today perform discrete, pre-programmed tasks related to a small set of objects in a controlled environment. Some already use data-sharing systems, although almost all are proprietary. For example, the “autonomous robots” made by Kiva Systems, which is owned by online retailer Amazon, pool data about the constantly changing warehouses in which they operate, enabling them to navigate and work more efficiently.




posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 12:15 AM
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First time this has ever happened ! I posted the thread and got a double thread post! Weird ! Mods please remove the thread with the same title but no content.. Thanks...www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 12:21 AM
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really not surprising is it ? euros. what have they given us? that's worth having? kate beckinsdale and glen fiddich. also, the nuclear weapon and adolf hitler. now they want to unleash robots on the planet. go ahead. my life is half gone, and i'm training my grandkids to live off the land and NOT TRUST EUROPEANS !!!!!!!



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 01:11 AM
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So let me get this straight... They plan to hook robots up to a network environment and hope that they learn as good humans do when in such a highly networked environment where the fast paced exchange of ideas are easily accessible...

Ok.. Am I on the wrong forum?where is the doom?? Mayhem? I expected sonething coning into this thread but this is rather.. not doom like destruction of earth as we know it at all kind of thread...

well It's not like this is a military project that they are just handing over the keys to all the weapons to after switching it on.. I see nothing to worry about here... Lets see ..recap...Skynet was a AI in charge of all the miltary robots/computers/defence sytems and in its own foresight turned off all the learning capability of its subordinates. This method of teaching the robots before giving them a super AI in charge of them seems like a very reasonable idea. So i conclude by saying .... disaster averted...?



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 01:11 AM
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Robotic world domination, always an interesting topic.

Not sure what my take on this is, there's a huge gap between programmable hardware and robotic self awareness. As long as we control the programming we control the robots. You did play the "SkyNet" card so I guess that puts this on topic for robotic self awareness.

I won't say it can't happen but true self awareness may be a stretch for a long time. Wonder just what percentage of self determined programming is going to be needed before the robots determine we are a threat. Self preservation of systems seems a logical protocol to use on a cloud net like this.
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posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 01:13 AM
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Wonderful news. Baby steps in the right direction. Once we introduce quantum computing into the cloud we'll see some magic happen.

I for one look forward to plugging in. *adjusts his robotic eye*

You should too. Resistance is futile.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 01:16 AM
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You did play the "SkyNet" card so I guess that puts this on topic for robotic self awareness.

Indeed he did, and indeed it does.

However two points have to be addressed. For one you and the other posters seem to be postulating self-aware robots would inevitably be evil…or at least malicious towards us. Why? To me that seems purely speculative.

Secondly that notion is predicated on us being separate. Personally I think computers with the ability to become self-aware will coincide with both our ability and our want to be integrated in ourselves. Transhuman. In which case the idea of some civil war between machine and man is moot.
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posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 01:33 AM
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However two points have to be addressed. For one you and the other posters seem to be postulating self-aware robots would inevitably be evil…or at least malicious towards us. Why? To me that seems purely speculative.

Secondly that notion is predicated on us being separate. Personally I think computers with the ability to become self-aware will coincide with both our ability and our want to be integrated in ourselves. Transhuman. In which case the idea of some civil ware between machine and man is moot.


Both are excellent points. For the first point I base my Robotic Threat Probability Index (RTBI) on two things, 1) We have no idea whether robots could ever be hostile to humans so I give it a 50/50 chance due to no data. 2) Factoring in Murphy's Law of Robotics that "Anything that could go wrong with robots will eventually go wrong" brings us to my ultimate calculation with odds of 75% robots will destroy us.

On point number two, if we are assimilated by the robots and become transhuman (Borg to the layman) then again humanity has lost.

Point three, I'm just messin' with you and have no idea how this will turn out. I just don't trust robots.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 01:34 AM
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Lucid Lunacy
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You did play the "SkyNet" card so I guess that puts this on topic for robotic self awareness.

Indeed he did, and indeed it does.

However two points have to be addressed. For one you and the other posters seem to be postulating self-aware robots would inevitably be evil…or at least malicious towards us. Why? To me that seems purely speculative.

Secondly that notion is predicated on us being separate. Personally I think computers with the ability to become self-aware will coincide with both our ability and our want to be integrated in ourselves. Transhuman. In which case the idea of some civil ware between machine and man is moot.
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why? Well my thoughts on this is it's part of human nature to speculate on our undoing...and most of us (really,really)love doom porn...and since there's no alien death stars roaming the galaxy that we know of and the big man upstairs seems to have retired his great flood gig,self aware robots that turn on us are the next logical step in our downfall.

In all seriousness though you are correct robots are a long ways of from self awareness and as such as I stated in my prior post that there's nothing to worry about here about killer robots from mars.. I mean earth. Killer robots from earth.
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posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 01:49 AM
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Bassago
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Robotic world domination, always an interesting topic.

Not sure what my take on this is, there's a huge gap between programmable hardware and robotic self awareness. As long as we control the programming we control the robots. You did play the "SkyNet" card so I guess that puts this on topic for robotic self awareness.

I won't say it can't happen but true self awareness may be a stretch for a long time. Wonder just what percentage of self determined programming is going to be needed before the robots determine we are a threat. Self preservation of systems seems a logical protocol to use on a cloud net like this.
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I am all for tec and like you I think self awareness is a long time away.. true, programing is more of a response to a condition. There are many articles about the replacement of humans by bots in the near future.

Now...

Let us say some government who has the infrastructure and Robonet who comes under-fire by the local population like many of the protest we have seen these last two years.. motherboard.vice.com... which was posted in another thread by Mamatus at www.abovetopsecret.com...


“Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”


The NY Times reports that the "Ukrainian government used telephone technology to pinpoint the locations of cell phones in use near clashes between riot police officers and protesters early on Tuesday." Near. Using a cell phone near a clash lands you on the regime's hit list.


Instead of a text message it would be very simple to send a future Robocop in for an arrest or worse.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.scribd.com...


Powerful soft bodied robots will be developed that can restrain people without danger of hurting them. These could then be used as robot bouncers and security guards at nightclubs. There could also be radio tickets so robots can tell if humans have tickets and eject or detain those without. Robots will be able to spray a crowd with RFID tag darts or some futuristic equivalent so that people can be tracked after the crowd has been dispersed. They will always have a human operator on call to assist with ambiguities and to give instructions about the use of physical force.

"without danger of hurting them" most governments through-out history are nice until they get pissed or feel endangered; Then the kid gloves come off and playing nice is no longer considered.

Afterthought: Drones are not self aware yet seem to do quite well on their assigned missions with their human operators ... Just something to consider

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posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 01:53 AM
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posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 02:00 AM
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"For one you and the other posters seem to be postulating self-aware robots would inevitably be evil…or at least malicious towards us. Why? To me that seems purely speculative."

My opinion on this is that self-aware robots would inevitably be evil because humans are inevitably evil in one way or another.

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posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 02:15 AM
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Agreed, seems the robots would eventually realize that we are their biggest threat . . . right?



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 02:19 AM
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Blastoff
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"For one you and the other posters seem to be postulating self-aware robots would inevitably be evil…or at least malicious towards us. Why? To me that seems purely speculative."

My opinion on this is that robots would inevitably be evil because humans are inevitably evil.


Depends on how one defines evil ... The guys who sit in the control rooms and fly drones do not look at themselves as evil. They are patriotic, working for their government killing bad guys before they kill others... No doubt some feel bad about the wedding party they blew away because of bad intell (or even a worse if it was thought; to get one bad guy others were killed and TPTB felt it is worth it) but I haven't heard of to many who quit and make a big deal out of it.

Easy to sway young minds into believing and carrying out all kinds of things that history in hind sight would consider evil.. Religion and governments employ this method all the time to this very day.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 09:09 AM
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Exactly. I believe anything that is self-aware will eventually tend to defend itself if threatened. How it will defend itself is up for grabs, BUT if it learns from our methods the outcome will probably not be too pretty.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 09:15 AM
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You know what bothers me most is the idea that Skynet really is nothing but fantasy and couldn't actually HAPPEN to some degree or at some level. We're watching them work their full tails off day and night to make something...which may well kill US in the end..and people seem awestruck and impressed.

Okay... The Trinity Test was pretty impressive too. How many people know they modeled ONE outcome for a chain reaction event that would ignite the atmosphere and burn off what our little rock has? I believe them when they say they further worked the numbers to have a fairly certain outcome for that NOT happening. However, I also firmly believe the odds wouldn't have much mattered to General Groves if it had been anything to the far side of 50/50 chances to make it 'less than likely'.

What outcomes and what scenarios are they well aware of in their mad dash to Ad-Hoc A.I. in both commercial and military weapons systems?

The computer may just realize ...to it? WE are the threat, since a power plug means murder to the "thinking" of a self aware A.I. system.



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 09:58 AM
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I can't believe this overall topic is not big on ATS... robots, synthetic skin, smart phones, drones, NSA, GPS, quantum computing, invisibilty, 3D printers, the list goes on...



posted on Jan, 22 2014 @ 10:16 PM
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game over man
I can't believe this overall topic is not big on ATS... robots, synthetic skin, smart phones, drones, NSA, GPS, quantum computing, invisibilty, 3D printers, the list goes on...



Especially since people have been talking about economic meltdowns, all of the supposed changes, preparing for something big to happen. Do people realize the whole planet will undergo rapid changes when robot hands replace human hands by the thousands, tens of thousands, millions within the next 2-4 decades, ending at maybe 6 or at least 10 if there are wars in between in case the replacing doesn't go very well with all those jobs lost, one group has to work hard to survive and the other is almost in space in a more cozy position.

Or are the majority of all those subject just a distraction from the real changes people don't appear to want to talk about.

If I were to build my robot farm and open up an online shop along with a worldwide chain with selfdriving solar powered droids bringing your groceries at your door that would mean the end of a lot of businesses and jobs. There are robots that build homes, all kinds of appliances, I'm sure there are bots mining ore and other metals, food, clothing, it's all a matter of time but I don't see that many people getting upset or realizing this. I know there's already a hamburger flipping robot, there are farming robots, two more years until selfdriving cars, it won't take that long.
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posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 06:47 AM
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Robots and other labor saving technologies are not really the problem, the real problem is the current business model.

When there are no longer any jobs people are needed to perform because production becomes automated, there are still those people around with no incomes that still need to be able to get what they need to survive who cannot participate in the economy because they no longer have any income to purchase the goods and services the robots and drones provide.

If automation becomes more commonplace, which is a big part of our current economic problem worldwide, what would have to change?. I am not one to spout "That's Not Fair" and so on, but adjustments have to be made somehow.

I figure, from the evil I have observed, the outright abuse and exploitation of people perpetrated by business that has always occurred in the name of the almighty dollar, that there will simply be a culling of excess and un-needed livestock.

After all, they do call us "Human Resources" no? ( I have always found the term offensive in a creepy way )......Who owns those resources?.

I could never understand people who believe that if someone cannot get what they need to survive, they should just die, especially when the most basic means of survival are being made unavailable and stored away under guard till the markets make it profitable to sell, taken away and stored while people starve, "Contrived Scarcity"...

No one should be allowed to deny a man the space to grow his own food if that space is being used for nothing productive other than a person calling it "their property" and deeming it unavailable, if someone is willing to live such a basic and down to earth lifestyle, he should be encouraged to do so, especially considering the damage the current way of doing things is doing to the environment.

It would seem things are as they have always been, the king forbids the taking of his game or anything else from his land, the only real difference will be that he doesn't need the surfs and peasants anymore even....

Anyway....Just-A-Ramblin' On........



posted on Jan, 23 2014 @ 12:40 PM
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A little history and then some developments with networks and self learning. Worth a look for those interested..




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