Chemtrails....EPIC FAIL!

network dude
If chemtrail were real, and they have been going on since the 1990s, they haven't done anything. They failed.

When asked what chemtrails are for, you will get a multitude of answers, some almost sound reasonable, and some are outright loony. But to date, every reason for them has failed.

1. Reduce Global Warming = fail
2. Population contrail = fail
3. Hide Niburu = Actually that one did work since we cannot see it.
4. Give everyone Morgleions disease. = fail

I am open to the new and improved chemtrail theories as to why they exist. Just please, be a little more creative. The younger generation can only be fooled with BS for a bit longer, then even they will start asking questions.

what about AC griffith (CIA and NSA operative) and Ted Gunderson (FBI Chief)....both came out and said the Gov was spraying us using military planes and later commercial planes?

reply to post by flammadraco

You said about images of nozzles, I'm pretty sure I've seen a recent video which showed a two engine aircraft with 4 "Contrails", none of which came from the wing tips and were positioned on the wing.

Like this?



or like this...

AugustusMasonicus

network dude
Yea, I swing towards them not being real.

When will people wake up and understand that all those planes crisscrossing the skies are spewing hydroxyl acid all over us every day!!!!!

Water is not an acid. Pure water has a ph of 7, making it neutral. And even the term "hydroxyl acid" is a functional contradiction, since water is basically a hydrogen ion H+ (positive charge) bonded to a hydroxyl group OH-(negative charge). To be chemically correct, and still get your point across, it would be better to use "dihydrogen monoxide."

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

what about ex-military people that have stated they have exactly what you just described?

Any chance you can pop up a link for these statements?

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by network dude


Just checking to see if that's all you were including for the time being. A simple sourceless hit piece on chemtrails and folks who know they exist. A passing effort to dissuade people from looking up and believing their own eyes. Got it

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

what about AC griffith (CIA and NSA operative) and Ted Gunderson (FBI Chief)....both came out and said the Gov was spraying us using military planes and later commercial planes?

Ac Griffith...

www.metabunk.org...

As for Ted Gunderson...

disinfo.com...

Not very good sources.

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

what about AC griffith (CIA and NSA operative) and Ted Gunderson (FBI Chief)....both came out and said the Gov was spraying us using military planes and later commercial planes?

Ac Griffith...

www.metabunk.org...

As for Ted Gunderson...

disinfo.com...

Not very good sources.

so....TPTB wouldn't try to crush the character of people coming out against what they are trying to covertly do.....if indeed they are?

F4guy
To be chemically correct, and still get your point across, it would be better to use "dihydrogen monoxide."

That was too obvious and I wanted to go with something that sounded much more sinister.

UxoriousMagnus

so....TPTB wouldn't try to crush the character of people coming out against what they are trying to covertly do.....if indeed they are?

Using circular logic, you can chase just about any conspiracy around. The government is bad. Therefore, chemtrails exist.
I think going about it with science is a bit more sound.

Contrails can be explained, chemtrails cannot. You have to go above and beyond to even find reasons for them to exist.

Urantia1111
reply to post by network dude

 

Just checking to see if that's all you were including for the time being. A simple sourceless hit piece on chemtrails and folks who know they exist. A passing effort to dissuade people from looking up and believing their own eyes. Got it

edit on 21-1-2014 by Urantia1111 because: (no reason given)

do you "got" any evidence to submit? if not, what about the OP do you disagree with? Are chemtrails accomplishing anything?

network dude
reply to post by flammadraco

 

Could you show an example?
There are quite a few different ways contrails can form, either from the engine exhaust, or from the disturbance in the air. (wingtip vorticies)

And as far as the special airports for spray planes, if you use the flight tracking software, as many have, you will see that these persistent contrails come from verified commercial planes with real destinations in mind. You are free to verify that to be sure. (In fact I kind of wish you would)

As I've said I'm on the fence, I'm asking the questions trying to make an informed judgement, I have read what I have posted before and whilst I can go a trawl google for the evidence to this study, I dont feel the need to as I'm not trying to argue either side.

As others have said in the numerous threads on this subject, who are also in two minds about this theory the fact is we have all observed this cross cross patterns in the sky ourselves, if it was normal air traffic, why does it not occur everyday when the weather conditions are the same as when they do appear?. Personally I have seen planes in the sky that seem to be at the same altitude where one has a small contrail whilst the other has a longer contrail that last for a longer length of time and forms cloud cover.

Finally, I think I've already mentioned that the flight apps could easily be modified to suit whoever. I really hope you guys can debunk this theory as I don't really want to live in a world where TPTB spray us like insects.

network dude
If chemtrail were real, and they have been going on since the 1990s, they haven't done anything. They failed.

When asked what chemtrails are for, you will get a multitude of answers, some almost sound reasonable, and some are outright loony. But to date, every reason for them has failed.

1. Reduce Global Warming = fail
2. Population contrail = fail
3. Hide Niburu = Actually that one did work since we cannot see it.
4. Give everyone Morgleions disease. = fail

I am open to the new and improved chemtrail theories as to why they exist. Just please, be a little more creative. The younger generation can only be fooled with BS for a bit longer, then even they will start asking questions.

Seriously though, how can you know if it hasn't worked.

1. Reduce global warming...how do you know it hasn't helped? With the more deadly methane gas and its potency to our atmosphere which is 72 times worse than carbon dioxide, how do you know that they haven't slowed the hazards of methane release?

2. Population control....how do you know it hasn't controlled population growth? If I recall, we exploded to 6 billion folks and it seems we've been hanging around that number for a couple of decades now. We don't know if it hasn't slowed population growth.

3. Hide Niburu....just like you said, we can't see it, lol.

4. Give everyone Morgelions Disease...Well, I don't know enough about this disease to comment except that I do know it's real and how can we really know how many are affected? Also, in my own opinion on chemtrails, I do believe they exist but that it's not a government program to hurt us, well, it wasn't meant to, but it may now inadvertently. They may have set out with good intentions, such as climate control, but the long term affects may now be hurting us, such as Morgellons Disease.

UxoriousMagnus

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

what about ex-military people that have stated they have exactly what you just described?

Any chance you can pop up a link for these statements?

www.youtube.com...

If he is right, then shouldn't everyone be getting sick most of the time?

His NSA buddies. Who will remain nameless of course.

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus




So that by any chance wouldn't be the same as this Dr. Beagle?

www.abovetopsecret.com...



He looks like a good source too..

network dude

UxoriousMagnus

so....TPTB wouldn't try to crush the character of people coming out against what they are trying to covertly do.....if indeed they are?

Using circular logic, you can chase just about any conspiracy around. The government is bad. Therefore, chemtrails exist.
I think going about it with science is a bit more sound.

Contrails can be explained, chemtrails cannot. You have to go above and beyond to even find reasons for them to exist.

you know....in the 70's and 80's....the mainstream scientists and media wrote extensively about how using sound waves, radio frequencies and electromagnetics for mind control was hog wash even though we now know that MKUltra and other programs were doing just that. The crazy conspiracy theorists were right the whole time even though they were trashed by everyone and anyone and I am sure there were people like you pointing to all these scientists writings and saying.....see look, science says....

but that couldn't happen now......right? and our government has never sprayed entire countries before....like Vietnam with agent orange or anything....so we have no past examples to look at

reply to post by Rezlooper

2. Population control....how do you know it hasn't controlled population growth? If I recall, we exploded to 6 billion folks and it seems we've been hanging around that number for a couple of decades now. We don't know if it hasn't slowed population growth.

Then how do you explain this?

www.worldometers.info...

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by flammadraco

 

You said about images of nozzles, I'm pretty sure I've seen a recent video which showed a two engine aircraft with 4 "Contrails", none of which came from the wing tips and were positioned on the wing.

Like this?

or like this...

No, it never had the contrail coming from the wing tips which made me wonder. On my iPad at mo and cannot upload pictures to ATS using it. If this thread is still hot tommorrow, I will find the picture and upload when on laptop.

network dude

UxoriousMagnus

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

what about ex-military people that have stated they have exactly what you just described?

Any chance you can pop up a link for these statements?

www.youtube.com...

If he is right, then shouldn't everyone be getting sick most of the time?

His NSA buddies. Who will remain nameless of course.

there are millions of people getting sick from strange things that didn't used to be an issue......but....yes I can't say it is for sure from being sprayed by something.....but I can't say for sure it isn't.

UxoriousMagnus
...and our government has never sprayed entire countries before...

It is this type of overarching hysterical commentary which goes a long way to discrediting the chemtrail conspiracy. To equate low-level defoliation to high-level aerosol disbursal is intellectually disingenuous. Additionally, the government has admitted to using Agent Orange (and other pesticides/defoliants) an it is not a conspiracy that they have used these chemicals.

AugustusMasonicus

UxoriousMagnus
...and our government has never sprayed entire countries before...

It is this type of overarching hysterical commentary which goes a long way to discrediting the chemtrail conspiracy. To equate low-level defoliation to high-level aerosol disbursal is intellectually disingenuous. Additionally, the government has admitted to using Agent Orange (and other pesticides/defoliants) an it is not a conspiracy that they have used these chemicals.

so our government has sprayed chemicals from airplanes before?