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posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 09:52 AM
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Southwest Florida man charged with selling poison online
19 year old sold ground up beans and directions for usenbc



The mysterious, massive federal law enforcement presence in the Hendry County community of Muse was explained Tuesday when a 19-year-old was charged with selling the potentially deadly toxin abrin through a black market website. Jesse William Korff was taken into custody Saturday on charges out of New Jersey. He is charged with one count of Possession and Transfer of a Toxin for Use as a Weapon and one county of Smuggling Goods from the United States.




Investigators say Korff posted an ad to sell abrin on a site known as "Black Market Reloaded." Homeland Security Investigations agents say they started taking a closer look at the site in April 2013. Agents say the site connects vendors and buyers anonymously to conduct transactions involving a wide array of illegal items, including biological agents, toxins, guns, ammunition, explosives, narcotics and counterfeit items. It's only accessible via the Tor network, a special computer network designed to allow users to conceal their identities, and payments are in the form of Bitcoin, a form of electronic currency that only exists online. Investigators say Korff had a seller's profile on Black Market Reloaded, and he negotiated the sale of two liquid doses of abrin to the undercover agent.


Poor kid, mistake will cost 1 life, his. What would happen if you sold a rock online saying it would kill ?
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posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 10:06 AM
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This may be a mistake but this ain't no "aww poor kid" moment. What he did was planned, thought about, and acted on. This wasn't an impulsive mistake and he had all the chances in the world to back out. It's not like it was a face to face sale where you have to be worried the other guy being the criminal that he is might do you harm for not following through. No this kid needs to sit in a cell for a long long time. Come on how devious and maniacal is he really? He was just fine with helping kill someone in a pretty poor way to die...I mean a flu like death. No mercy no quarter!



posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 10:36 AM
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Was going to say something about that wasted life better than some victim.
Hope he didn't sell any more.
Could that lead to far worse charges ?



posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 10:47 AM
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donlashway
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Was going to say something about that wasted life better than some victim.
Hope he didn't sell any more.
Could that lead to far worse charges ?


If it's provable that there was then yes...but how would they find out. Unless him or whoever might have bought others tell on themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if they do investigate recent deaths that could possibly be from that poison but the scope of that could be quite huge. However if it were proven the charges he already has would be nothing compared to the murder charges he would end up with.



posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 10:56 AM
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We might find out about the conspiracy theories that TOR was a sting type setup.
Think if they had been the ones that set up the site and let him sell through it ?
Would have records of every transaction. Everyone a possible murder ?
Or was the FBI the first and only buyer ?



posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 10:57 AM
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Wiki says its 75x more deadly than ricin.

No antidote too.

Sounds nasty, i hope they lock him up for a long time!



posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 11:36 AM
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This arrest was not done by breaching the anonymity of the TOR network.. This kid went to a location, and that is how the cops got him.. This dumb ass is not innocent and he did not sell harmless rocks.. He sold a REAL poison capable of killing people even with small doses.
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posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 11:52 AM
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What better reason to shut down the TOR system.
The Feds couldn't have done a better job unless they planed and excuted the whole thing them selfs.
There is no such thing as a secure network, and there never will be.
It's nice to know our country is safe, but not our credit cards and bank accounts.
Good work NSA !



posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 12:47 PM
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Poor kid my azz! You don't do the crime unless you're willing to do the time!

To his parents: Giant FAIL.

Maybe if parents were held more accountable for the stupid, irresponsible acts of their children this kind of crap wouldn't be so prevalent in the youth of today.

'Parenting Skills 101' should be a required course in every school in the nation. Too many people in our country seem to be sorely lacking in these skills, and it's only going to get worse.

'Poor kid'? Really?!! Poor kid, in that he wasn't born to more capable parents.



posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 01:21 PM
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OLD HIPPY DUDE
What better reason to shut down the TOR system.
The Feds couldn't have done a better job unless they planed and excuted the whole thing them selfs.
There is no such thing as a secure network, and there never will be.
It's nice to know our country is safe, but not our credit cards and bank accounts.
Good work NSA !


Why should TOR be shut down?
If you see a bad apple do you all of a sudden give up Fruit? NO.
Anonimity actually means something to some people.

Credit cards and Bank accounts are generally insured against Fraud.

As for secure networks, there are plenty of ways of being secure online. PLENTY.


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posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 01:46 PM
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I've never heard of this particular poison before. As they say, you learn something new every day.

No "poor boy" sympathy from me. He knew what he was doing, and if he's selling a deadly poison, then he knows damn well what it's used for. Would you be all "poor kiddo" if he was pitching VX or ricin instead?



posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 01:48 PM
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Sorry, but could you go back and delete all that.
what's it called ? terms and conditions ?



posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 02:20 PM
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donlashway
Poor kid, mistake will cost 1 life, his. What would happen if you sold a rock online saying it would kill ?
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What planet do you live on? Poor Kid making a mistake?
He was making and selling something that is used to kill another person. I hope he gets 5-10 year minimum sentence.



posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 02:27 PM
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Why should TOR be shut down? If you see a bad apple do you all of a sudden give up Fruit? NO. Credit cards and Bank accounts are generally insured against Fraud. As for secure networks, there are plenty of ways of being secure online. PLENTY. Text
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Because it encourages and promotes illegal activity with the promise of anonimity.
Yes, anonimity actually means something to some people. But like everything motives vary.

Being insured against Fraud, does not protect your credit rating, it will red flag your borrowing ability which could take months or years to fix.

As for secure networks, there are plenty of ways of being secure online. PLENTY.

I have worked 35+ years in telecommunications, please inform me of secure networks !

Let me HELP YOU to understand a few things about telcommunications ,with just a few questions.

Who gives away the most money in the form of grants, low intrest loans and free funding ?

Who gives out patents on new equipment ?

Who hands out licenses for business operations ?

Who regulates businesses ?

Who makes laws , rules and regulations ?

What you see as a secure network and what I see are two different things.



posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 02:50 PM
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OLD HIPPY DUDE



Why should TOR be shut down? If you see a bad apple do you all of a sudden give up Fruit? NO. Credit cards and Bank accounts are generally insured against Fraud. As for secure networks, there are plenty of ways of being secure online. PLENTY. Text
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Because it encourages and promotes illegal activity with the promise of anonimity.
Yes, anonimity actually means something to some people. But like everything motives vary.

Being insured against Fraud, does not protect your credit rating, it will red flag your borrowing ability which could take months or years to fix.

As for secure networks, there are plenty of ways of being secure online. PLENTY.

I have worked 35+ years in telecommunications, please inform me of secure networks !

Let me HELP YOU to understand a few things about telcommunications ,with just a few questions.

Who gives away the most money in the form of grants, low intrest loans and free funding ?

Who gives out patents on new equipment ?

Who hands out licenses for business operations ?

Who regulates businesses ?

Who makes laws , rules and regulations ?

What you see as a secure network and what I see are two different things.


Okay, please educate me on telecommunications, considering my career is in computer security sector I seriously doubt there is much you can teach me on the ways of the internet or any IT subject for that matter.

You make an argument that people should have to give up anonymity in the name of crime, where have we seen this before?

The government nor banks own the internet and as soon as everyone gets used to that idea the better.

Networks are only as strong as their weakest link, if you think there aren't any secure ways network via PC then I don't believe you actually work in the telecommunications sector.

''Who regulates businesses ?

Who makes laws , rules and regulations ?''

Governments. Telecommunication companies are told by governments what to do.

Does the anonymity only work for us subhumans? I guess Banks and Governments will be business as usual, behind closed doors?
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posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 03:01 PM
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Taggart
Okay, please educate me on telecommunications, considering my career is in computer security sector I seriously doubt there is much you can teach me on the ways of the internet or any IT subject for that matter.


Let's all put our binary epeens away and focus on the facts..
As much as you think you, a general statement and not directed at anyone specific, know their is always someone that knows more.

Facts are the kid from the OP who tried to sell poison should serve a lot of time.

Another fact is that anonymity is a great part of TOR and as the price for that anonymity spending more than 5 seconds on the most basic entries into the deep web, say a link aggregator, will give you the finest in horrible things be that illegal drugs, pr0n , wares or services.



posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 03:15 PM
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To have the internet you must have a pipe ie. telecommunications line, be it copper wire , coax cable or fiber, these are called transmission lines, this is what creates the network, everything is tied to it, everything ! And everything goes through your local phone company office wifi and cell phones, they built it they installed it they maintain it and they control it by the grace of the Government.
I am for anominity , but I know there really is none.
Any IP person can tell you all you need is an access point to breach any system.



posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 04:28 PM
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"Poor kid", he's 19 years old was 18 when he did this, kids make mistakes.
He picked a berry out of his yard, ground it up and packaged it.
Found a sucker online that wasn't capable of seeing you could pick it all over south Florida for free instead of the $1700 he was offered.
He did tell how to use it, yes. That's the reason for my statement about the rock if you tell someone how to kill with it.

I was hoping for a discussion as to whether or not TOR network is a government sting operation.

Maybe someone even thinking it maybe entrapment ?

News says he can get life for it, poor kid......
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posted on Jan, 21 2014 @ 04:34 PM
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donlashway
"Poor kid", he's 19 years old was 18 when he did this, kids make mistakes.
He picked a berry out of his yard, ground it up and packaged it.
News says he can get life for it, poor kid......
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Please tell me how that works out for the person that could have ingested that berry and died from it.
I am sure your "kids make mistakes" would have comforted them.
I am utterly amazed you see no flaw in this other than him being a dumb kid.





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