I read today that Scientist believe the fuel in reactor 3 has melted down into the groundwater..

Waiting to here the outcome of the concerted effort to remove the Radiated Tubes. Haven't heard one update since the Yahoo article.

hoochymama23
Waiting to here the outcome of the concerted effort to remove the Radiated Tubes. Haven't heard one update since the Yahoo article.

I wont try to give you an exact number, but it's very little compared to how many are there. I am sure someone has a current number.

reply to post by RickinVa

As of today, 1/22/2014 put me down as 6, slightly concerned about Fukushima's possible long term effects on the planet.

as one who experienced TMI from a close proximity, until the mox fuel in Reator 4 are contained/secured, i'm holding at an 8.5

this is already beyond horrible and still holds the potential to be a planet changing event.

the slow, debilitating deterioration of the next generation still won't be proof enough for some ... they'll just blame the cell phones

Honor93
reply to post by RickinVa

 

As of today, 1/22/2014 put me down as 6, slightly concerned about Fukushima's possible long term effects on the planet.

as one who experienced TMI from a close proximity, until the mox fuel in Reator 4 are contained/secured, i'm holding at an 8.5

this is already beyond horrible and still holds the potential to be a planet changing event.

the slow, debilitating deterioration of the next generation still won't be proof enough for some ... they'll just blame the cell phones

If I had been what you went through, I would no doubt feel the same way. But rest assured, although Fukushima is bad, its not going to effect anyone outside of Japan anymore than it has for the time being. I wouldn't say that if I didn't believe it in my heart. At its current point, it will be a while.

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what makes you think radiation is something that is harmless?

the oceans produce 50-85% of our oxygen.. do you really think that wont be affected.

if you were swimming in a pool that had nuclear rods in them would you feel safe?

would you say you body would be radioactive from swimming in the pool with nuclear rods?

if someone ate you after you were swimming and breathing (gills) the water. would they have radioactive meat to digest?

logical questions...

why cant people be logical when thinking of the scenario...

reply to post by Sagitaris

why cant people be logical when thinking of the scenario...

I think people are being logical.

The Pacific Ocean is a good many thousands of miles across,. averages over 2 1/2 miles deep and spans the planet from Arctic to Antarctic. Now the material in Japan IS finite. There is not an unlimited amount here. Will Japan itself be screwed for fishing and what they've had as a cultural reality for most of their history? Yup...I think so. At the very least, on their Eastern coast of the home island, yeah. I would just cry to be a Japanese Fisherman in local waters.

Across the Pacific? Logic is appreciating the sheer size and mass of the ocean itself...vs the minimal amount of material truly involved here. Even those millions of gallons of radiated water which may well be leaking ...is leaking into a body of water with enough 0's to that gallon figure to leave someone turning their head to follow the line. It's peeing into an Olympic size pool, a few times over for scale..and that's still not enough, IMO.

Japan has major ..terminal problems and if those fuel pools cook off, they may have literal, terminal problems. Alaska, IF Japan gets totally out of hand with the spent rods still stable at the moment, would get a lot of it first, due to overall currents and of course, the gyres of the North-Central Pacific. (Also known as the great Pacific garbage patches). A lot of solid and real world events would be happening in very very public ways if the Mainland were about to be hit or being hit with Japanese radiation.

(The imported food is a different matter...and I'd scan anything questionable if I still ate anything likely to be from the Gulf of Mexico or off Japanese waters)

When private citizens who own their own, personal, Geiger counters start going off about readings and solid evidence, I'll be concerned..(and detection equipment sold out for a good period after Fuku to anyone with $100+ and a desire to see themselves...plenty still have all that)

Just my two carrots into the 'ol blender of discussion.

reply to post by RickinVa

thanks for the reply but i strongly disagree.

the recent release of information concerning the plankton between HI and mainland US only intensifies my concerns.

the whales, walruses, seals, dolphin and all other inhabitants of the poisonous tree (Pacific) are showing definitive signs of radiation sickness/disease and this will only compound over time.

unfortunately, it is the generations to come who will suffer the most.

Honor93
reply to post by RickinVa

 

thanks for the reply but i strongly disagree.

the recent release of information concerning the plankton between HI and mainland US only intensifies my concerns.

the whales, walruses, seals, dolphin and all other inhabitants of the poisonous tree (Pacific) are showing definitive signs of radiation sickness/disease and this will only compound over time.

unfortunately, it is the generations to come who will suffer the most.

We are actually talking about the same thing.... just differing scales of intensity, that's all... I do believe that radiation from Fukushima will bio-accumulate. But the effects will be local to the area around the plant (as it currently is today) for quite some time. There's just too much water in the ocean.

reply to post by RickinVa

We are actually talking about the same thing.... just differing scales of intensity, that's all... I do believe that radiation from Fukushima will bio-accumulate. But the effects will be local to the area around the plant (as it currently is today) for quite some time. There's just too much water in the ocean.

actually ... we AREN'T.

bio-accumulation ? sure, in that we agree.

however, when discussing "local" damage and then revealing the effects some 1000 miles of ocean away ... it isn't LOCAL anymore, nor will it remain, local.

the only way we'd agree on that point is if the "PLANET" is what you consider 'local' ... contrary to popular belief, the animals in the oceans travel far and frequently.
and with them, comes the toxic overload of which they've been exposed.

guess who's next in the 'food chain' ??

ps: when you've seen what i have, then we'll talk.
the children OF the children of TMI have been altered for life and not in 'good' ways.

hoochymama23
Waiting to here the outcome of the concerted effort to remove the Radiated Tubes. Haven't heard one update since the Yahoo article.

Nearly 200, 198 from 1533 Rods are moved!



Source

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Wind patterns wouldn't have allowed for that though, as seen, so please explain it, sourced and proven please..

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Do you have the Address of this Pic?

Imo. The Wind Pattern is not always the same,
as far as i know they measured F'Shima Radiation all around in both Hemispheres!

Edit:

Abstract

Massive amounts of anthropogenic radionuclides were released from the nuclear reactors located in Fukushima (northeastern Japan) between 12 and 16 March 2011 following the earthquake and tsunami.

Ground level air radioactivity was monitored around the globe immediately after the Fukushima accident.

This global effort provided a unique opportunity to trace the surface air mass movement at different sites in the Northern Hemisphere. Based on surface air radioactivity measurements around the globe and the air mass backward trajectory analysis of the Fukushima radioactive plume at various places in the Northern Hemisphere by employing the Hybrid Single-Particle Lagrangian Integrated Trajectory model, we show for the first time, that the uninterrupted complete revolution of the mid-latitude Surface Westerlies took place in less than 21 days, with an average zonal velocity of > 60 km/h.

The position and circulation time scale of Surface Westerlies are of wide interest to a large number of global researchers including meteorologists, atmospheric researchers and global climate modellers.Abstract

Sciencedirect

Funny how the internet makes experts out of everyone.

I had to do this before, and I'll I guess have to do it again, a Nuclear Power Primer.


1) Meltdowns (that produce Corium) can only occur in the "core" hence the name Corium given to the outcome. This is the most dangerous thing that could happen if that liquid lava goes "China Syndrome" we are however past that point.

2) The cooling pools contrary to popular mythology cannot melt down. It however can catch on fire, yes it can but.. conditions must be met and it's not an Earth Changing/Life Ending event.

2A) Cooling Pool Basics: The Cooling Pool or Spent Fuel Pool is an area of the plant that they keep, what now, spent fuel, that's Uranium pellets that are no longer able to produce enough reactions to be converted to electricity. However these rods are still very hot, somewhere in the neighborhood of about 2500 degrees when they come out. The cooling pool is a body of rapidly agitated water that is kept at or under 120 degrees F.

2B) Cooling Pool Usage: The Cooling pool is used, you guessed it, to cool down the rod assemblies. It takes about 10 years for the assemblies to be cool enough to be moved without being in the water. If there was some sort of accident that let the water out through just drainage or even boiling off, the rods, upon reaching 700 degrees would burst into flame, hence a cooling pool fire.

Everyone seems to overstate this as a life threatening event for the planet. We are past the worst part of this disaster, the core meltdown, which is generally widely accepted as having had happened. As seen by Chernobyl the lava produced (Corium) remains somewhat vicious for many years after the incident and in Chernobyl the stuff hit the water table. The lesson there was that after the initial 2 or so years of very very high amounts of radiation in the exclusion zone, plantlife returned and now animal life has returned, in droves. If the cooling pool were to catch on fire, you would have a month of burning followed by a 5 or do mile dead zone around the plant, but that dead zone would be reclaimed by nature relatively soon after the incident (5-8 years, not 500-800 as one site put it, they added a few zeroes.. )

As for a species ending event? hardly. Nature has shown in the face of an accident like this, a high rate of survival even when we humans are scrambling for our tails.

Is anyone saying that a meltdown is good? Not on your life, it's a disaster, it makes a nice area uninhabitable for people for a long time after the event (Pripyat is technically habitable again but the buildings would take so much to get rid of it's best to just keep it an exclusion zone)

Is anyone saying there arent' consequences? hardly. But you need to be a little more objective about it, it's not such an even that all life on Earth will die, or the pacific Ocean will die, or we're all doomed, it's an event, it's awful and there are consequences, but, life will continue on this rock, Even a Nuclear War waged with 98% enriched uranium bombs (as opposed to the 4% used in fuel rods) and every ICBM on the planet launched would be survivable by the species, granted there would be a lot less of the species but it's survivable as a species (Not something I would want to see mind you but nonetheless it's important to note this)

I need to find the study it was done for LAP (a series on History Channel) that stated that even if the world power grid failed, and every plant IN THE WORLD had a cooling pool fire, the planet would still be inhabited by animal life and people for many many years to come...

Do some research on the Exclusion Zone around Chernobyl, paying particular interest to the forests and the city of Pripyat itself to see the long term effects... then you will see that all of this doom porn saying we're going to kill the ocean and therefore all life on Earth is just that, Doom Porn..

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it's the Wind monitoring site, hold on
Wind Monitoring

reply to post by vkey08


Except they are pouring contaminated water into the ocean 24/7/365; (some) fish migrate, pass through; all fish eat other fish or plants. The stuff accumulates over 'time'. One particle of plutonium can be devoured many times until it ends up on your dinner plate. But the nuke industry and shills want us to believe it's a safe and cheap form of energy, yeah right. I wasn't born yesterday.

As for the air, burning fuel rods is also extremely toxic to the air and it all goes 'somewhere' then rains down. They used MOX fuel and have blown up man-made nuclear particles that are everywhere. It is time that will reveal the answer. Saying now there is/won't be any major loss of life is simply premature. How much to what extent remains to be seen. What little testing being done on fish is abysmal. Again it falls to people to try and get real answers because they don't want anyone to really know anything about what they're doing.

Nuclear energy is ridiculous. It is dirty, dangerous, built poorly in unsafe areas and left to fall apart because its 'too expensive' to replace. We're seeing all the benefits of it now - melt downs, poisoned water, poisoned ocean, poisoned air, hundreds of thousands homeless and destitute, sick people, sick animals. Yeah, real safe stuff *sarcasm* especially in the hands of greedy people and contractors.

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? Don't understand why you say wind doesn't come this way - it shows wind currents from Japan that most certainly run up the entire west coast and Alaska.

reply to post by vkey08

hmmmm, access to that site demands a browser upgrade this old system can't handle. any chance there is something that all of us can review ?

in the pic you posted, it is described as "surface temps" not wind patterns which change, daily.

Human0815
Why we cant close this Thread?

The Study ( from the Swiss Embassy)
used a wrong Picture but they exchanged it
already and excused them self for all the concern!

Where's the Swiss Embassy study that "proves" this is so? You haven't posted a link yet but brought it up what, three times now?
Guess its easier to just cry "close the thread" than actually discuss the topic which is why these forums are here in the first place - to discuss -

Honor93
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hmmmm, access to that site demands a browser upgrade this old system can't handle. any chance there is something that all of us can review ?

in the pic you posted, it is described as "surface temps" not wind patterns which change, daily.

If you were able to look at the picture it shows the wind movements which definitely travel from Japan to North America coastline (and beyond to Alaska, etc.) and yeah, the colors are the temperatures.