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But surely that's what the driving examination / test is for?
Combined with insurance claimjs made against a driver, this is the litmus test for what is a safe or unsafe driver.
You don't like blanket statements, and i understand that, but saying that some drivers shouldn't be allowed to drive go kart let alone a car, is a failure of the licensing authorities and not the majority of drivers isn't it?
I wasn't speaking in that sense. I rarely (if ever) speak about individual officers action with generalizations.
Yes, exactly. In many places though I question who is in charge of designating who does what, how much and how often. At the same time, I will not deny that many cities have great police forces.
Well, I guess it depends on how you look at it. If "general revenue" was being sent to Africa for children in poverty I would agree with the sentiment, but because a police force issues fines or lays charges (which will result in fines) which do go back to the city, and the people in charge are responsible for funding, etc. It's a bit of a big circle. Also, whether its a city fine, a state case, or federal case, in some way one of the three are getting something out of it. Don't forget asset seizure as well.
(Disclosure, the above was done I believe during hard economic times for Chicago, or budget cuts, something like that.)
Under the Texas law aimed at funding law enforcement and hitting criminals where it hurts — their wallets — people can have their property confiscated even if they’re never charged with a crime.
Which, if someone who is affected by it challenges it in court, you will get the it refined or thrown out all together since its a technical violation of the 4th amendment. An agency in Illinois as well as New Orleans (Katrina) had their asses handed to them in state and federal court by seizing items with no criminal charges attached. The items were ordered returned (in Illinois it was like 50k in cash and in New Orleans they were ordered to return all confiscated firearms in addition to compensating those people who had their weapon confiscated but not tracked, resulting it disappearing. the Katrina ruling was specific harsh towards the NO government and Police.
Such laws are widely accepted around the nation as a way to fight crime by depriving suspected criminals of ill-gotten gains. Every year, cars, cellphones, computers, cash and even real estate, are seized from people connected to crimes and the proceeds given to local law enforcement.
I don't agree - respectfully before you make that claim you would need to look at the laws for each state that govern seized items from criminal activity.
But a 2008 report by the Texas Senate Committee on Criminal Justice declared that the crime fighting tool has “become a profit-making, personal account for some law enforcement officials.”
Across the state, some district attorneys have been accused of using forfeited funds to pay for casino outings, trips to Hawaii and alcohol at staff parties.
Resulting in investigations and prosecutions.
Sometimes, those who have had funds seized may have been innocent, as in Tenaha, Texas, where about 140 drivers were stopped for minor or nonexistent traffic violations between 2006 and 2008. Officers confiscated property such as cash or jewelry, while allegedly threatening drivers with money laundering charges if they didn’t immediately give up their rights to the items.
Keep in mind both are extreme examples. The problem though is things like this is not unheard of. I believe quite a few more examples could be found. And whether you are a city officer, state or fed, LEOs tend to get painted with the same brush. So even if your agency is on the up and up, another one can bring you down in public perception.
Also, with the internet, each story that's posted some treat it like it's happening in their backyard. Personally, I can debate and talk about whatever happening a hundred or a million miles away, but unless it's in my own area I rarely find it emotionally involved. A lot of people, not so much.
I do not doubt that many places still have good law enforcement. I'm not familiar with Missouri though. I am speaking generalized and also on the issue as a whole.
If that's the case it doesn't apply to what I'm talking about. I know that when you travel state to state though you do notice that speeding is treated much differently in different regions, also city to city. So the example I gave does not apply to everywhere. (Which I should have probably stated.)
I totally agree with you here. And it's ironic because someone is probably a dick to a one cop, they might take it out on one that does't even enforce the same laws, and the cycle continues. Just like one guy might be a real dick to a decent cop, and a dick cop might be nice to a decent person.
The main problem with public/police relations though is there are no boundaries between agencies or even individual officers for most people. So they see anyone in uniform, and they are all the same in their mind. Same type of thinking can happen on the other side as well. Profiling. Which is ironic because people are mad about profiling but then profile the same.
I see both gripes between law enforcement and anti-law enforcement usually involves the exact same king of thinking. Which is why I also chalk it up to something way above the heads of both parties.
Maybe but you can't tell me you know every law off by heart.
By heart - no.
Can I reference laws that might have been violated while im working - absolutely.
Its my job to make sure im up to date on current laws / court rulings. Citizens on the other hand don't bother to follow up on those things because it doesn't "affect them". Citizens obligations should be to take the time to learn the government, how it works and how to go about getting information for their questions.
Yes I agree. Everything I said in last post was on public perception. And I lay blame specifically with the people at the top.
I lay the blame on everyone - from the officers who make us look bad, to officers that wont take the extra few minutes to explain / answer questions, to citizens being apathetic about government, not knowing how their government works or how laws are applied.
In summary, although it's unfair, I think the point I was trying to make was that what one agency does, the others have to live with the image and perception. My generalizations are not "all of them are like this", it's more than "all are seen like this."
And corruption, cronyism, and protectionism is a part of the culture in politics which trickles down to other government groups. Something that we see everyday, throughout history.
I get what you are saying - To been honest its the responsibility of the people to hold their government accountable. Its the responsibility of the people to watch how their elected officials represent the peoples position. Every state has a system in place when it comes to government misconduct / law enforcement misconduct / elected official misconduct.
The problem is the citizens don't bother to avail themselves of those mechanisms for seeking a redress of grievances. they tend to complain about it yet never get around to doing something about it. they just repeat the same " the system doesn't work, its corrupt, whats the point etc etc etc).
If people truly feel that way then they should not be yelling every time they see an injustice. If you don't care enough to participate, why bother to get involved in the first place?
Hopefully this answers some questions -
As a side note I know im not the only officer on this website. If anyone has a different angle / understanding / or notice my argument is not accurate, by all means jump in and add info / point me to the correct info.
Understanding starts with communication.
Are there any non-profit organizations which seek to publicize, and seek to force the punishment for, the inappropriate actions of law enforcement? Causing the politicians to worry about their jobs is the fastest way to end this crap.
That's what American police officers do these days. They beat you first for no reason and then they get off the hook. Be scared America, be very scared. The police are after you.