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reply to post by 727Sky
People still need doctors and engineers to keep society running, and that requires human capital.
So does this mean the field to train for is being the guy who designs the robots?
On many aircraft today the onboard computer does a diagnostic and then the mechanic just replaces a box which goes to tech support for an actual fix.
One of the most important extensions to the police use of robots in this period will be advanced biometric ID checks such as face, retina and fingerprint recognition.These facilities will greatly extend the surveillance potential of the robots and make their use considerably more widespread They will be able to determine the identity of individuals in seconds through direct link with police computers. Wheeled humanoid police robots with more semi-autonomous operation will be in use on the streets.Many robots could sit passively in areas in town centres or areas known for crime.They could monitor any sudden scene changes like the appearance of a group or a crowd and use audio and vision systems to determine whether they are a group of harmless drunks or are potentially dangerous. Audio levels and speech perception would be used to tell if there was aggressive shouting and swearing and vision systems could watch for human contact or standoffs.Robots will alert a human operator to survey the scene and advise. The robot could be remote controlled to approach the situation and enable the operator to ask questions, check IDs and assess the situation. Robot backup could be sent in with aerial vehicles and more ground robots
One of the most important extensions to the police use of robots in this period will be advanced biometric ID checks such as face, retina and fingerprint recognition.These facilities will greatly extend the surveillance potential of the robots and maketheir use considerably more widespread They will be able to determine the identity of individuals in seconds through direct link with police computers. Wheeled humanoid police robots with more semi-autonomous operation will be in use on the streets.Many robots could sit passively in areas in town centers or areas known for crime.They could monitor any sudden scene changes like the appearance of a group or a crowd and use audio and vision systems to determine whether they are a group of harmless drunks or are potentially dangerous. Audio levels and speech perception would be used to tell if there was aggressive shouting and swearing and vision systems could watch for human contact or standoffs.Robots will alert a human operator to survey the scene and advise. The robot could be remote controlled to approach the situation and enable the operator to ask questions, check IDs and assess the situation. Robot backup could be sent in with aerial vehicles and more ground robots.
There will be much more autonomous functioning to reduce costs and free police officers for more human tasks. Humanoid walking robots would be more in use for crowd control at games, strikes and riots. Robots will patrol city centers and trouble spots where fights are likely to break out.Robots will have reasonable speech perception and be able to ask questions and respond to answers.
What is your ID number?
What are you doing here? Move along !
. They may work in teams of tracked robots with non-lethal weapons (e.g. Tasers or nets) and be on call for diffusing difficult situations and arresting people.Powerful soft bodied robots will be developed that can restrain people without danger of hurting them. These could then be used as robot bouncers and security guards at nightclubs. There could also be radio tickets so robots can tell if humans have tickets and eject or detain those without. Robots will be able to spray a crowd with RFID tag darts or some futuristic equivalent so that people can be tracked after the crowd has been dispersed. They will always have a human operator on call to assist with ambiguities and to give instructions about the use of physical force.
There will be more extensive use of robots with facial expressions and body gestures for dealing with people and diffusing difficult situations. The aim of these will be to build up human trust and confidence in the machine. Public acceptance will be required to legislate for more extensive robot application. such as autonomous robot traffic wardens. There will be absolutely no point in arguing with a robot traffic warden. One big development in this period, with the greatest impact on personal liberty and privacy, will be the use of It makes Extended Sensing by robots. Robots, unlike animals, are not limited to sensing within the confines of their own bodies. no difference to a robot if its sensors and cameras are attached to its head to its feet or on the wall next to it. The control systems for factory robots and soccer robots often operate with cameras on the ceiling looking down on robot and environment to plan movements. A ground robot could have camera eyes and sensing flying overhead onmicro-helicopters without any difficulty. In the same way, robots connected into a network of surveillance cameras are no different than a robot with multiple distributed eyes. Thus a single robot would be able to track an individual’s movements throughout a city.
reply to post by 727Sky
I guess the job to have is someone who fixes the robots!
you know why this scares a lot of people? because they have no sense of identity or purpose outside of their job. they've never had or taken the time to connect with their true self and therefore don't even know who they really are. they can't really conceive of anything outside of their compartmental routine within the system.
when this 'new' world really starts to take shape, they will either evolve and adapt, or they will go crazy.edit on 19-1-2014 by Qi Maker because: (no reason given)edit on 19-1-2014 by Qi Maker because: (no reason given)edit on 19-1-2014 by Qi Maker because: (no reason given)
I don't think that is why this scares people. It's not a sense of identity exactly; it goes further than that. It is a sense of purpose, even a need for purpose. Right now, there is still a need for human labor but if/when 47% of the human population becomes not only unnecessary but literally part of an burdensome cadre of "useless eaters" life will get very cheap within the social psychology.
reply to post by redhorse
read my quote a bit more carefully.
reply to post by Qi Maker
I disagree. I think that the concept of having a job equaling having a roof over one's head, being able to feed and clothe oneself and one's dependent loved ones and providing even at a basic level outside of all the fancy bells and whistles are something that just about everybody can comprehend and fearing the obsolescence of 47% of previously human filled jobs is pretty darn rational. If your job becomes obsolete, then what will you do? How will you feed, shelter and clothe yourself, let alone your loved ones? And as the number of jobs decline to that 47%, what then? People absolutely should fear it and not because they define themselves by their jobs. They need to fear it because they need to make sure that they or their children are going to be able to work as to provide themselves with their basic needs.
Are we all going to become hair dressers because that's one of the very few jobs where automation probably won't work (pretty terrifying to imagine a robot in charge of your do). Ironic really that automation could drive us to become a bunch of monkeys sitting around and grooming each others' hair again.
the idea is that we should reach the point where basic needs are met through the development of sustainable systems. food, shelter, and clothing would be natural rights.
It seems as if you are saying people will go crazy with out their jobs as a sense of identity. I am saying that on a fundamental level (and with some justification) they fear for their very lives. Those with authority and power will have no reason to encourage a society that values life if there are too many people to support that are not contributing to that society in a way that is meaningful for the elite. It's not that people will just "go crazy" because they have lost their identity in some abstract way, although that will likely be how many individuals will interpret it. Society will become more brutal because there will simply be more people than are necessary to support itself. Kill off some, or watch the whole collapse in a way that is unpredictable.
They'll be worthless because they'll be slapping together the goods we've lost interest in or cut back substantially on due to having been forced to live on less income (if any at all) Not to say we'll never buy another TV, cell phone or computer again, but I think households will revert back to having just one (or even none) of them, and for many years at a time instead of a new one every year.
Barter systems could become dominant for all we know (you fix X for me, I'll make Y or Z for you) or part barter/part money. We'll figure it out, it takes longer than just a few sh***y years economically for that kind of shift to happen. We're used to the way we live, but we weren't always like this. Things changed, and we adapted. We'll adapt again.
It'd be bumpy & rough, but I think once the social kinks are ironed out, we'll see it as a mere hurdle in our societal evolution.
reply to post by 727Sky
I guess the job to have is someone who fixes the robots!
I hear this a lot as a rebuttal to mass automation in the workplace replacing living workers, BUT it misses a subtle point that ONLY the children of the wealthy will have the opportunity to become TRUE experts in this field. Let me clarify, through the 21st century a poor kid who studies hard can become a lawyer, accountant, even a doctor sometimes with the right combination of hard work, savings, scholarships etc. HOWEVER, in engineering curriculum's times are changing to favor kids who have access to expensive software and hardware to "experiment" and "practice" on before entering college AND when they finally get to college, those who have lots of free time to "play" with robotics and programming outside of class WILL CERTAINLY outpace their less privileged peer who flips burgers part-time to pay rent. We should all ask ourselves, would companies prefer to hire low experienced graduates whom have demonstrated non-professional robotics experience in a "hobby portfolio" OR the low experienced graduate who worked hard to graduate with a difficult major, but didn't have as much free time to develop skills specifically related to their major and have a long list of totally unrelated work experience? I'm seeing this already happening in many different engineering fields where the young workers being hired today are from wealthy families and great colleges, while at the same time being trained by older folks whom were not as privileged in their youth, but got through school the hard way and were trained on the job, while paid over long periods of time.
Here is an example of what I believe to be a young person from a well off family who majored in robotics at USC, doesn't appear to have had a part time job while in college, had lots of time to "experiment" with the technology in her spare time, got a masters degree back to back to the bachelors AND at the end of the day got a job offer at a University sponsored dinner party for robotics majors. NOBODY I went to college with EVER got a job offer at a university sponsored dinner party. My point being, these future "robotics repair" jobs are going to require smart kids, that went to good schools, had lots of spare time and money to play with the tech outside of school AND get their jobs offered at dinner parties, not through sending blind jobs applications. Basically what this girl is doing for Disney will in the near future be like what a plumber or electrician of today does, EXCEPT you won't get trained on the job when at "entry level" and to even be considered for the job in the first place you need to have good academic pedigree. Here is her story:
The 47% whom are going to be rendered jobless by automation are going to be the least likely to be able to pick up these pieces of post job destruction, going back to school, getting a masters degree in robotics, in full-time only engineering programs that strongly discourage their students from taking part-time jobs and favor students who have both the money and time, NOT WORKING at an unrelated job, to buy robtics hardware/software to experiment with outside of class.
Mark my words this future of "maintaining robots" is going to be the sole domain of rich kids with advanced degrees from good schools because NO ONE is going to train anyone else perceived as lesser on the job WITH PAY.edit on 20-1-2014 by boohoo because: (no reason given)edit on 20-1-2014 by boohoo because: (no reason given)