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oblvion
St Udio
Sorry.... the 17 million migration in the USA was a Result of long term policies Not the Cause of the present economic (slow-motion) collapse
the reason for the continuing crisis was the creation of the Quadrillion dollar un-regulated Derivatives 'game'... the Alice-in-Wonderland, fiat money creation with no limits to betting-on-debt creation along with the expanding greed of the banker-finance network of industries is the 'seed' that has crippled the western world & the London-NY control of all the global finance & trade venues & regulators.
go listen to the golden jackass interview with the 'common sense show'
usawatchdog.com...
58:00 minutes audio is very apocalyptic
Beautiful, you are right in part, but flooding the jobs market with low cost workers did undercut the middle class, this is without question.
oblvion
Beautiful, you are right in part, but flooding the jobs market with low cost workers did undercut the middle class, this is without question.
Do we so easily forget that Mexicans and other Central and South American countries are all Native American "Indians"?
TheLieWeLive
Do we so easily forget that Mexicans and other Central and South American countries are all Native American "Indians"? They speak Spanish only because they were conquered into doing so.
The daughters of native women were again breed with Spanish men, and so on, so there is a little Native America blood left over, but not much.
Xtrozero
TheLieWeLive
Do we so easily forget that Mexicans and other Central and South American countries are all Native American "Indians"? They speak Spanish only because they were conquered into doing so.
I'm sorry it is not the 14th century anymore... Can you name one other country that allows what we allow? I challenge you to sneak into Mexico and see what would happen....lol
MyHappyDogShiner
reply to post by oblvion
I have been yacking about a "General Strike" for years, it would certainly point out who relies on whom, I think I have mentioned that on this forum several times over the years.
It's such a monkey see, monkey do...Keep up with the Jones's kind of world though, that one would have to somehow convince people that living frugally, even for one week is stylish somehow.
One week would completely collapse this economy, it would be better to be part of the collapse, maybe even the cause, than to keep accepting more misery and loss over a longer time.
But that is why there are so many distractions offered, to dull the pain...
The Vagabond
reply to post by oblvion
I disagree with your conclusion, although you've touched on some very relevant details.
We've lost the manufacturing jobs, not just had illegal immigrants fill them. Not only has labor supply risen, labor demand has decreased.
The purpose of illegal immigrants being allowed in is not strictly labor related either. They also serve as consumers even if they aren't employed. Every warm body in the US buys food and a few other things at US prices whether they beg borrow steal or take public funds to do it. This effectively kicks back an additional share of all payouts from govt and corporations back to those entities.
Of course any one who pays the rich for goods and services without the rich paying them anything first is good for the rich, not just illegals.
Wealth is redistributed upward when a consumers spending comes from any of the following sources: government borrowing for public assistance, crime against the poor, panhandling, selling of personal property, or wages paid by small business (Small business owner mortgages house, buys lawnmower, hires workers, the money gets spent and taxed, the business fails, bank takes the house- the rich win).
And if the underclass exists to buy rather than to work, even more money can be made or at least saved by putting less into education.
In short, it is a multitude of malfunctions which are being coordinated to move wealth from US government and citizens into multinational corporations and banks, and it lends credence to the idea that things never could have gotten this messed up by accident.
MOMof3
I have come to a couple of conclusions for an answer.
The illegals have always been a solvable problem but no one participates and it costs a lot less than a fence. E-verify catches a lot. I do not know why employers do not want to use it. I lived in Moses Lake, WA, big agriculture, rift with illegals. No one turns them in and everyone knows who they are. I know they live in fear of it happening. Because no one really wants to solve the problem because the answer is not an easy one. Welcome to life.
Money. Get rid of it. I don't know much about that bitcoin, but sounds like the right direction. Or trade skills, services, goods. Worked for a long time before money and all things and everyone was equal.
This is your one life.
In the blink of an eye you guys are going to be dealing with old age and the problems of your children. It never ends. You just die.
MyHappyDogShiner
reply to post by hurdygurdy
Globally would be a damn good place to start, but those with the resources will not allow it to be fixed.
They hold all of the keys, they even have the nukes to destroy the whole world if they can't keep control of it.
If they can't keep it or use it they will destroy it.
That's why I think there will be one of those attention grabbing wars or other event fairly soon.
peter vlar
oblvion
St Udio
Sorry.... the 17 million migration in the USA was a Result of long term policies Not the Cause of the present economic (slow-motion) collapse
the reason for the continuing crisis was the creation of the Quadrillion dollar un-regulated Derivatives 'game'... the Alice-in-Wonderland, fiat money creation with no limits to betting-on-debt creation along with the expanding greed of the banker-finance network of industries is the 'seed' that has crippled the western world & the London-NY control of all the global finance & trade venues & regulators.
go listen to the golden jackass interview with the 'common sense show'
usawatchdog.com...
58:00 minutes audio is very apocalyptic
Beautiful, you are right in part, but flooding the jobs market with low cost workers did undercut the middle class, this is without question.
The problem I'm seeing here is that, it at least appears, that you are trying to solve an equation with only the second set of numbers and skipping the first set. In other words you are "blaming" policies which led to an influx of migrant workers from Latin America. This would be the second number set of the equation. The first that seems to be missing is what. Led migrant workers to shift from seasonal farm work to manufacturing. The answer to that goes back abut 70-80 years. The example I'm going to give may not be illustrative of every part of the US but I can say with 100% certainty that this is pertinent to manufacturing in the North East and how it disappeared. At the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries, the city I grew up in had the highest number of millionaires per capita in the entire country. It's wealth was based almost entirely on textile manufacturing, primarily carpets. The wealthiest family, the Sanford's are also pretty famous for their horse racing empire from the 20's thru the late 50's. As this localised wealth benefited nearly everyone in the community in terms of well paying jobs, the bottom end had to fall out eventually as the mills still needed to profit but couldn't continue to do so at the level they were used to if they had to keep paying for the local manufacturing base. This came in the form of "cost cutting measures" emerging much as we see with current tech based industries. They relocated the mills to Mexico, a parallel to our current Asian outsourcing. These carpet mills in Mexico, even though the wages were significantly less than in the North East, were reasonably high when gauged for the local economy. Eventually these mills also closed and relocated leaving entire towns devoid of employment that they had come to count on, much like where I grew up. Today, the city I grew up in has less than 15,000 people in it from a high of nearly 50,000 in the 60's. I see this as a byproduct of greed not policy. It's is the byproduct of wealthy people and corporations wanting to maintain their status quo at any cost, including their local infrastructure and the communities that gave them that wealth. I'm to sure how you juxtapose the situations of Latin American immigrants as mostly illegal but most Asian immigrants are here legally especially in light of the fact that fewer people are crossing into America and many more are returning to Mexico. Asian immigrants are also surpassing Latin immigrants, both legally and illegally at the present moment. Additionally I wanted to add to one of your thoughts from the OP. I the US govt had handed out 1 trillion dollars to every person in the US instead of just bailing out corporations it amounts to roughly 3,000 dollars each. Not quite the windfall it seems you alluded to, unless you're talking ant a large Irish or Italian catholic family. If you've got 6 kids plus om and dad sure you're going to run to the bank but the average individual isn't going very far with 3 grand.
www.theatlantic.com...