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Yes we are not full blown but yes there was a kid taken out of school by police for his facebook post, I was a victim of police piling 30k worth of charges that didn't even make it to the first arraignment. As posted above, there is a 100 mile "Constitution free zone" WTF is that??? It is happening. No we are not Nazi Germany... yet. If ANY ones liberties are being violated, we ALL are having our rights violated.
kx12x
reply to post by Sremmos80
Yes we are not full blown but yes there was a kid taken out of school by police for his facebook post, I was a victim of police piling 30k worth of charges that didn't even make it to the first arraignment. As posted above, there is a 100 mile "Constitution free zone" WTF is that??? It is happening. No we are not Nazi Germany... yet. If ANY ones liberties are being violated, we ALL are having our rights violated.
We may be on the road to a police state, but we aren't there yet.
That's what happens when people demand to take away their freedom to make themselves feel better or more secure. Look at anti-gunners for example, a group of people ready and willing to give up an amendment just so they can "feel" safer. Another example is people who get offended when someone says something they deem offensive then demand action be taken, now we have "zero tolerance" schools.
With that said, people still have the means to put the government back in check. We all still have the freedom to say what we please and take action, but you just don't see anyone protesting or doing anything, it's easier to just sit around on a PC and #tch about it and make excuses.
The problem isn't that we have a police state, it's that we don't have a real police state. People won't do anything until they're personally affected in their daily lives by government overreach to the point where it is literally a police state. By then all of those peaceful means of retaining or restoring freedoms will be gone and we will have no one to blame but ourselves.
InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by projectbane
Applause to people who recognize the problem as it emerges instead of waiting until the change is complete.
Apologists can and will join these thugs. They will not be absolved, like the German citizens that stood by and did nothing when the Nazis were assuming leadership in Germany. Blood on their hands.
butcherguy
reply to post by ProfessorChaos
The "wake up" call for the OP is going to be a particularly harsh one, in my opinion.
Cops will be the last to see the light. The public are viewed as the enemy by them. We see the evidence every day in the new threads in this forum. Cases of police brutality and violations of the Constitution show up regularly.
They can beat mentally ill people to death and get away with it. Yay! We are so free!
Just to clarify my post. Two points.
1. I was sincerely posting those rules for others to read and make an informed decision. That was it. I agree and disagree with a few point the OP made.
2. By saying if he were a shill it would fit, I simply meant what I said. If he were it would. I really did not mean to sound like I was calling him out. One of the things I love about reading everything here is that there are so many view points. I was just trying to throw another view point into the fray to get people thinking. Because at the end of the day, it is people thinking that will stop us from becoming a police state. The quest for truth is anchored on exposing all sides of the coin.
Sorry to have caused a few blood pressure spikes.
projectbane
InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by projectbane
Applause to people who recognize the problem as it emerges instead of waiting until the change is complete.
Apologists can and will join these thugs. They will not be absolved, like the German citizens that stood by and did nothing when the Nazis were assuming leadership in Germany. Blood on their hands.
Applause? How can one applaud a bunch of deluded "everyone is out to get us" illogical and basically scared people? They live there lives not by providing for their families, not by being all they can be, not by making the most of each and every day but by conjuring up this constant "attack on the people" by the government and using POLICE to enslave the population.
They shouldn't be applauded they should be.......well why go on!!
kx12x
reply to post by windcalmer
Just to clarify my post. Two points.
1. I was sincerely posting those rules for others to read and make an informed decision. That was it. I agree and disagree with a few point the OP made.
2. By saying if he were a shill it would fit, I simply meant what I said. If he were it would. I really did not mean to sound like I was calling him out. One of the things I love about reading everything here is that there are so many view points. I was just trying to throw another view point into the fray to get people thinking. Because at the end of the day, it is people thinking that will stop us from becoming a police state. The quest for truth is anchored on exposing all sides of the coin.
Sorry to have caused a few blood pressure spikes.
I'm quite relaxed actually.
Honestly I don't see the point of posting that if you had no intention of insinuating that the OP is a shill. If that were true you could have posted guidelines about what Santa Clause looks like or any random thing one could think of, but you obviously chose that for a reason.
windcalmer
reply to post by projectbane
And here you go. A Gentleperson's Guide to Forum Spies
Just saying if you did work with an agenda, or what have you...That would fit.
onequestion
This thread is breaking my brain.
Someone please author an awesome thread this Saturday so we have something to read before ATS Live.
Then i can listen to Nef and Semper peacefully disagree on things LOL.
projectbane
Applause? How can one applaud a bunch of deluded "everyone is out to get us" illogical and basically scared people? They live there lives not by providing for their families, not by being all they can be, not by making the most of each and every day but by conjuring up this constant "attack on the people" by the government and using POLICE to enslave the population.
See Something, Say Something. Report Suspicious Activities to the Police.
Sremmos80
projectbane
InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by projectbane
Applause to people who recognize the problem as it emerges instead of waiting until the change is complete.
Apologists can and will join these thugs. They will not be absolved, like the German citizens that stood by and did nothing when the Nazis were assuming leadership in Germany. Blood on their hands.
Applause? How can one applaud a bunch of deluded "everyone is out to get us" illogical and basically scared people? They live there lives not by providing for their families, not by being all they can be, not by making the most of each and every day but by conjuring up this constant "attack on the people" by the government and using POLICE to enslave the population.
They shouldn't be applauded they should be.......well why go on!!
How is not illogical to say some one won't provide for their families or be all they can be and not make the most of each day?
That is generalization to the MAX. To me it drives me more, I need to make the most of everyday I can because when the day this all hits the fan I want to be ready.
Please stop calling every one else illogical when you don't really have a grasp of what it means. It has been shown the exact things you say are not happening to anyone are in fact happening. You admit it in your OP, but that isn't illogical at all
VforVendettea
reply to post by projectbane
Tell that to the families of Kelly Thomas, David Silva, and all the others who are beaten to death 'for kicks' by the police.
Murder is murder and a badge shouldn't make a difference in the dispensing of justice but it does and they know it and feel empowered by it and they always hide behind the same cowardly excuse that they killed because they were afraid for their safety.
This is akin to a firefighter letting a person die in a fire because the firefighter was afraid of the heat in spite of all his protective gear.
projectbane
Sremmos80
projectbane
InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by projectbane
Applause to people who recognize the problem as it emerges instead of waiting until the change is complete.
Apologists can and will join these thugs. They will not be absolved, like the German citizens that stood by and did nothing when the Nazis were assuming leadership in Germany. Blood on their hands.
Applause? How can one applaud a bunch of deluded "everyone is out to get us" illogical and basically scared people? They live there lives not by providing for their families, not by being all they can be, not by making the most of each and every day but by conjuring up this constant "attack on the people" by the government and using POLICE to enslave the population.
They shouldn't be applauded they should be.......well why go on!!
How is not illogical to say some one won't provide for their families or be all they can be and not make the most of each day?
That is generalization to the MAX. To me it drives me more, I need to make the most of everyday I can because when the day this all hits the fan I want to be ready.
Please stop calling every one else illogical when you don't really have a grasp of what it means. It has been shown the exact things you say are not happening to anyone are in fact happening. You admit it in your OP, but that isn't illogical at all
Well it seem to me YOU are losing your argument. My post makes sense in every way. As does my thread. I have explained CLEARLY how it is NOT a police STATE but the same few people can't seem to present an argument of how we are NOT free as of 2014 like my thread states. So yes, these people who "see" something that is not there are deluded. They wish to invent something to make sense of a few bad things that have happened. But bad things happen in every section of life. Here with the POLICE you guys feel better that you can point a finger at something tangible, concrete and visible. It eases your collective consciences and give you types something to pursue. Mostly its all imagined.