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Discovery of quantum vibrations in 'microtubules' corroborates theory of consciousness
A review and update of a controversial 20-year-old theory of consciousness published in Physics of Life Reviews claims that consciousness derives from deeper level, finer scale activities inside brain neurons. The recent discovery of quantum vibrations in "microtubules" inside brain neurons corroborates this theory, according to review authors Stuart Hameroff and Sir Roger Penrose. They suggest that EEG rhythms (brain waves) also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations, and that from a practical standpoint, treating brain microtubule vibrations could benefit a host of mental, neurological, and cognitive conditions. The theory, called "orchestrated objective reduction" ('Orch OR'), was first put forward in the mid-1990s by eminent mathematical physicist Sir Roger Penrose, FRS, Mathematical Institute and Wadham College, University of Oxford, and prominent anesthesiologist Stuart Hameroff, MD, Anesthesiology, Psychology and Center for Consciousness Studies, The University of Arizona, Tucson. They suggested that quantum vibrational computations in microtubules were "orchestrated" ("Orch") by synaptic inputs and memory stored in microtubules, and terminated by Penrose "objective reduction" ('OR'), hence "Orch OR." Microtubules are major components of the cell structural skeleton.
Orch OR was harshly criticized from its inception, as the brain was considered too "warm, wet, and noisy" for seemingly delicate quantum processes.. However, evidence has now shown warm quantum coherence in plant photosynthesis, bird brain navigation, our sense of smell, and brain microtubules. The recent discovery of warm temperature quantum vibrations in microtubules inside brain neurons by the research group led by Anirban Bandyopadhyay, PhD, at the National Institute of Material Sciences in Tsukuba, Japan (and now at MIT), corroborates the pair's theory and suggests that EEG rhythms also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations. In addition, work from the laboratory of Roderick G. Eckenhoff, MD, at the University of Pennsylvania, suggests that anesthesia, which selectively erases consciousness while sparing non-conscious brain activities, acts via microtubules in brain neurons.
After 20 years of skeptical criticism, "the evidence now clearly supports Orch OR," continue Hameroff and Penrose. "Our new paper updates the evidence, clarifies Orch OR quantum bits, or "qubits," as helical pathways in microtubule lattices, rebuts critics, and reviews 20 testable predictions of Orch OR published in 1998 -- of these, six are confirmed and none refuted."
Lead author Stuart Hameroff concludes, "Orch OR is the most rigorous, comprehensive and successfully-tested theory of consciousness ever put forth. From a practical standpoint, treating brain microtubule vibrations could benefit a host of mental, neurological, and cognitive conditions."
Dr Hameroff told the Science Channel’s Through the Wormhole documentary: “Let’s say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing, the microtubules lose their quantum state. The quantum information within the microtubules is not destroyed, it can’t be destroyed, it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large”. Robert Lanza would add here that not only does it exist in the universe, it exists perhaps in another universe.
Why would they speculate that the quantum information retains it's complexity to hold consciousness as it's distributed and dissipats to the universe? Doesn't seem to make sense to me. Why would it exist in another universe... just cause... it makes them feel good to transcend death via faith?! Oohkay!!
The assumptions just boggle my mind. I just can't take this hocus pocus, just cause. The reasoning presented isn't enough for my mind. Not saying it isn't so, rather that we still haven't a clue, and are perhaps getting too far ahead of ourselves with the "what ifs". I'm all for these guys spending their lives chasing these notions. If they truly figure some things out, and can explain consciousness without the assumptions, as in... really have a grasp on it, then I'll bow my head in respect. Until then, cool story, bro!
Dr Hameroff told the Science Channel’s Through the Wormhole documentary: “Let’s say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing, the microtubules lose their quantum state. The quantum information within the microtubules is not ToYdestroyed, it can’t be destroyed, it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large”. Robert Lanza would add here that not only does it exist in the universe, it exists perhaps in another universe.
Sure hope I'm not the only one who caught that huge assumption. Why would they speculate that the quantum information retains it's complexity to hold consciousness as it's distributed and dissipats to the universe? Doesn't seem to make sense to me. Why would it exist in another universe... just cause... it makes them feel good to transcend death via faith?! Oohkay!!
reply to post by BlueMule
Will? I think you mean may.
The language you use, in the absence of sufficient evidence, and with too many assumptions to take on, is still quite offsetting.
Remember your thread, the meta-analysis data was not a strong indication for the existence of psychic phenomena. Even then, I question the selection of studies used to come up with this meta-data.
As is, there's still too much assumption, and too little evidence to be speaking in absolutes as you're doing.
I have yet to see any genuine psychic phenomena in person.
reply to post by webedoomed
Sadly for you, there's nothing hocus pocus about anything they're saying. Of course people who want to live in denial will try to label everything they don't agree with as hocus pocus or magic but like I said you can either accept things that don't conform to your belief or stick your head in the sand.
Secondly, there isn't any assumptions being made except by you. There's no reason for information to lose it's state. The configuration of information doesn't depend on the configuration of matter. This goes to the heart of the debate between Hawking and Susskind. Information isn't even destroyed in a black hole.
Also, 6 out of 20 is pretty good especially compared to 0 out of 0 which is what you have with consciousness being an emergent property of the material brain. So the true assumption is that consciousness emerges from the material brain because there's zero evidence to support this notion.
I have a series of papers. In totality, it contains a story. It's a book! Each page contains information. If I spread each page throughout the room, it's no longer a book. It's just lines that don't lead anywhere. You start somewhere, and don't finish. Yes, many assumptions are being made.