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Debunking Sitchin Debunkers

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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:05 AM
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for anyone who is interested, here's my interview with Dr. Michael Heiser
www.blogtalkradio.com...
several of my views on this subject, have been slightly modified since the interview,
however, generally speaking, the interview follows my current viewpoints.

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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:08 AM
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I believe very strongly that Sitchin's contributions are very valuable, that his interpretations are debatable, but not to be discounted.

Also, Iraq, the museums and artifacts. During the 9/11 wars with the middle east, the western military went straight there and stole those artifacts that belong to the whole world, AND now ISIS has been destroying some of what's left.

Seems to me, the cartel and ptb really didn't like the artifacts being exposed to begin with, as it reveals their long term bloodline control of earth and they're trying to dumb everyone down.

The literal translations of the bible coincide with the sumar pictographs and findings, and the language experts that alligned or fit together like a puzzle piece, for example in Mauro Biglino's work, were not Sitchin, yet world class experts nonetheless have common grounds.

Also with Biglino, there are those who immediately want to discredit him, though he is credentialed, and mentioned in Yales library, due to masonic ties perhaps.

Certainly people could come out with truth due to some assignment to reveal something, and another slant would be that those already in various brotherhoods are very interested in this kind of information and are learning/teaching.

As far as ancient astronaut and ufology goes, it has NEVER been debunked. And is the reality of earth and depicted on numerous artifacts, rocks, caves, and artwork, and in numerous scripts, world wide, and by numerous native nations.

This suppression of info, suddenly dropped like some kind of bomb on everyone and now is instantly the "norm" is really odd.

No, our brains didn't shut off, and NO, TPTB are not going to win this battle ever! They will not accomplish NWO and a rewipe of artifacts.

And I've never read Sitchin, blurbs online, but not his books.
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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:09 AM
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I believe very strongly that Sitchin's contributions are very valuable, that his interpretations are debatable, but not to be discounted.


thank you! first person that gets what i'm saying.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: undo
case in point:
he actually is yahweh in the bible, as is enlil and anu.

Quite a stretch. Yahweh appears to be a result of the combination of several gods, or at least their abilities.
However, long before that, Bel Marduk became the conglomeration of all the Babylonian gods.

You'd be closer to say that Yahweh is Marduk, in a way.
But that would also be incorrect (or at least unevidenced.)

originally posted by: undothe anunna actually were BORN in the heavens, not on the earth, and they actually did come down to the earth and intermingle with humans. these things are not sitchin's imagination.

That's simply absurd. Almost all stories of the pantheon involving the birth of a god state they were born on Earth. Several sprang from the Earth, IIRC; Ki having been impregnated by her son, for example, and no doubt several others.
The Earth is a slut.

Harte



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:17 AM
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a reply to: Harte

why marduk when enki created humans, saved the noah figure from the flood and gave him instructions to build the ark, confused the languages at babel, and not only that his akkadian name EA is pronounced ayah, who is yah, who is hayah, who is jehovah, who is yahweh.
also IAH, obadIAH, nehemIAH, even egyptian pharaohs like Ahmose, Son of Iah

EA=IAH=YAH=YAHWEH
or
EA=AYAH=HAYAH=JEHOVAH=YAHWEH


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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: Harte

we are talking about AN CONCEIVED THE ANUNNA IN THE SKY.
in the sky, in the sky, good grief, how does in the sky become on the earth?!



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

EL is enlil

Sorry, no.
El is ilu, which means "god" in Akkadian. The term "ilu" is an appellative noun in every usage except in Canaanite.
note:


appellative (əˈpɛlətɪv)
n
1. an identifying name or title; appellation

2. (Grammar) grammar another word for common noun

adj
3. of or relating to a name or title

4. (Grammar) (of a proper noun) used as a common noun
apˈpellatively adv
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged© HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003


Sort of like the "Doctor" in "Doctor Jones."

Harte



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: eriktheawful

the last one. that was a global catastrophe that was an extinction level event and it is my firm opinion that it's referenced in the second verse of the bible where it says " the earth became void and desolate." not the earth WAS void and desolate, but BECAME void and desolate. it wasn't talking about something that happened immediately after the earth was created, but something that happened that caused the earth to become tohu and bohu. a desolate wasteland. if the ice age in question was caused by a meteorite or other large chunk of space debris, that object was deliberately targeted at earth.


The last ice age, which is actually also the current one because we are still in an ice age, was the Quaternary and it started around 2.58 MILLION years ago.

It did not make the Earth "void and desolate".

There have been many extinctions from that time, and even happening now.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: Harte

you JUST SAID THE SAME THING I DID.

ILU = PLURAL of IL, for gods. now how did a word associated with EN.LIL the lord of the air, become
gods? easy!



notice they stuffed EA (AH) into it LATER.
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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:38 AM
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a reply to: eriktheawful

the one that wiped the dinosaurs, that one.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: undo
Mr Mask

link is wrong

abzu is not the primeval sea. the abzu is IN the primeval sea.
kramer is engaging in a bit of his own theory there, in contradiction of
the actual text itself.
for example, in the story of the creation of humans, enki is in the abzu.
if abzu is the primeval sea, and enki is the universe, that means the universe
is in the primeval sea. it's close, but no banana.

Sure.
And if Enki is a pancake, he can't be the mixing bowl.

Enki is not the universe.

The link refers to the word anki as the universe.
I trust you can see the etymology of that term. "Anki" is actually Sumerian for "universe."

Harte



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: Harte

no since the AN-unna, are named after AN, who was the father god of the heavens.
AN just means GOD. as in LORD. and LORD = EN, as in EN.KI and EN.LIL
AN.KI = lord of earth/clay/soil. sorta like adam/atum.

vowel variants are typical of that neck of the woods, just ask heiser what the difference is between ba'al and bel.
he'll tell you there's no difference. ba''al is bel.


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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
a reply to: undo
1 personally respects Zecharia Sitchin, may he rest in peace for taking time to do his best at deciphering the ancient Sumer data as best possible for many today to siphon through and evaluate in todays times.

Does 1 feel there may be some error in what Zecharia deciphered and shared from the ancient text, yes.

Obviously true, since the man couldn't read cuneiform and never claimed the ability.

Harte



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Mr Mask

before you spend any more time correcting me for not knowing something, read my stargates are real thread, here
www.abovetopsecret.com...
note that i wrote it in 2006 and that i know precisely what abzu is, or is suggested to be.

Yeah, Mask!

Go distract yourself from this thread to pore over 340 pages of (mostly) moronic posts.
That'll get you out of her hair for a while!

Harte



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: Harte

you think i'm a moron?



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Harte

why marduk when enki created humans, saved the noah figure from the flood and gave him instructions to build the ark, confused the languages at babel, and not only that his akkadian name EA is pronounced ayah, who is yah, who is hayah, who is jehovah, who is yahweh.
also IAH, obadIAH, nehemIAH, even egyptian pharaohs like Ahmose, Son of Iah

EA=IAH=YAH=YAHWEH
or
EA=AYAH=HAYAH=JEHOVAH=YAHWEH


Yahweh assumed the mantel of El, who is Ilu, Canaan was the only place the word was used as a name.

Same thing happened with Baal's name. Baal is from Bel which meant "lord."

The term became Baal in Canaan and was an appellative for several different gods.

Eventually, the term came to be used only for one god.

Harte



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: Harte

yahweh is ea.
el is enlil.
ea was an el, but he wasn't referred to as el in babylonian or canaanite literature, he was referred as yah.
i agree, en.lil became the generic god word for mesopotamia, but yahweh is ea who is enki, not enlil. enlil shows up in the old testament just like he does in the sumerian texts as the god who decrees the flood, who condemns man to a shortened life span and so on. however, he didn't create man, nor save man from the flood, nor confuse the languages at babel. enki/ea did that.

for the same reason bel = ba'al, el is il and al.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Harte

we are talking about AN CONCEIVED THE ANUNNA IN THE SKY.
in the sky, in the sky, good grief, how does in the sky become on the earth?!

"Concieved."

The Anunna are not all born from Anu. Enki is the result of Enlil having sex with his mother.
His mother is the Earth.

Where are babies carried?

Harte



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Harte

you think i'm a moron?

Perhaps you failed to notice, or deliberatly ignored (in order to claim some imagined slight,) that I attacked the posts, not the posters.

Harte



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 11:08 AM
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I believe a lot of the gods of old however where actually the bloodline families and royal families. Except for the few that wanted worship and might have revealed themselves from time to time, they weren't out in the open like that, but like in the bible, in the bases, and guiding as pretenders in the myths/religions. However, alot is code for ruling families.

They do this NWO, hide out, play gods, and there are Ets pulling their strings, and wipe out current civilizations. They're toying with this now.

Who are these families, well the ones in plain site look like Windsors, Rockefellers, who are basically Rothschilds, the king pin of earth in our sites. But behind the scenes are others that are more Et like and entity like as well, ie leviathin or demonology or fallen or renegade, doesn't matter to me they're all negatives.

And on top of that this article, ie the cookie cutter used by this group of bad guys, throughout the cosmos, Bad Wolf, Predator, dog eat dog, lower frequency realm. These guys know they can't go higher, they're stuck here due to their own wants. They (in reduced consciousness and distorted thoughts and basically cut off from HS through errors long ago, so lacking inspiration and real wisdom and intelligence) want to be overlords of this 3d density, rather than children of the next and progression.

And in order to remain empowered down here, they have to accomplish 2 things:

1. keep everyone else in smaller boxes,

and

2. feed off our soul energy. ie like moths to a flame, for the flame is their own empowerment and soul skills, but they're cut off from source. They can't take this from you, the black squares have no power over the light/white ones (not race). But they can lay seige to your love and twist your understanding and goodness like a pretzel and thus gain access.

www.ufolou.com...

Top of the page article pertains to the cookie cutter model.

Sitching brought the unity between overlords, dominators, and Sumar with the true origins of the bible, and egypt. He did a good job even if not perfect.

But given his or the outright lies and manipulation of our ISMS and norms, well, his is a tad higher level and more enlightening.

It's just the snakes in the grass don't want the field mice to know they're here, they feed off our light, and they're running the world.

So Iraq's treasures are being destroyed.

And all the current discoveries defrauded including the moon landing.


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