Three Sides to Every Story

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www.abovetopsecret.com...

It went like I expected, but I did learn a good bit, so it was well worth it.

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Yea didn't take long for someone to jump in with bad grammar and silly unfounded accusations as usual.

I actually enjoy engaging in debate with Christians. When they try to accuse teachings I follow of being Satanist, I simply explain, "YOU are the one who worships someone who was killed by a cross, came back to life, and if you drink his blood and eat his flesh you will live forever, but you must invite him in...are you sure you're not a Dracula worshiper?"

I believe in Christ as one of many teachers but the stories the church has used to hide the truth from his followers are baffling.
I say, get back to me when you know what he was doing for all those missing years.
Such a lack of belief in science and facts in favor of faith in fairy tales...the flock has strayed from the path so far that the Pope himself is calling Jesus freaks "mentally sick".

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And as I search Google for stories about the Pope saying that, I find nothing but Christian websites denouncing him...it's interesting to me that at the same time our governments are creating a loss of faith in themselves by violating the rights and laws "they themselves" created, which generates a loss of faith in them by even the most patriotic of citizens, the Church has elected probably the most sane and sober leader in history, and that is generating a loss of faith in THEIR leaders by the most hard-line "followers"...
So there are no more leaders. That's pretty scary, and opens up all kinds of cans of worms...

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My opinion on the matter is that the broadcast ''occult'' symbolism or ''illuminati'' (''elite'') symbolism broadcast in the mainstream is actually an attempt to catch the gullible and keep them following along. It is the go along to get along idea. So many people believe they are clever if they just repeat what they saw on the news, or if they just barely understand something yet they smile and agree they believe they will be seen as clever by their peers. Few people are strong enough to admit ignorance and then follow through with study to alleviate their condition. Most people are just not going to put much effort into evolving.

Having said that, I want to conclude with this.... the real focus of the conspiracy crowd needs to be on the 40-Week Cycle Of The International Left. The Cycle is real. It is being used to synchronize the activities of the Left. Even powerful and influential Freemasons (Representatives and Senators, local politicians and legal professionals) are duped into following along as they feel that they are somehow in the know simply because they see some symbolism that they recognize and of course by following they are always rewarded. Ever wonder why social media is constructed with the idea that YOU will FOLLOW somebody in order to stay in the know. They do not understand that the International Left is using them like puppets. I believe this is the reason for recent focus on ''other'' occultic groups such as Skull and Bones. I believe the Bush family is actually defending the Republic and the interests of the Right. That is why the Leftist Mainstream Media always bashed Bush and always supports Obama and Clinton.

The deception is thick. One must work diligently to obtain a clear world view with no internal inconsistency or cognitive dissonance. One really needs to think it all through from all angles. Good luck. I know people who admit to me that they do not like to think too much. These are the types of people who turn to abrasive forms of music, or sensational television or sports to avoid thinking, and just follow along passively nodding their heads in order to appear as if they are in the know.

Is Donald Marshall that same guy who claimed to a clone, grew up in a clone factory, and Bernie Mac visited him in the factory and was nice to him? I'm pretty sure if it's the same Donald Marshall who I'm talking about he claimed Troy Landry (Swamp People History Channel) is highly involved in this Illuminati cloning thing. I saw that the OP brought up Tila Tequila getting involved in conspiracy theories, she's a fraud and likes to plagiarize others work like The Vigilant Citizen and then when called out on it she tells them to screw off. Tila claims to be some goddess who is almost like a Messiah like figure who is our only hope when we fight "the others", I'm sorry if she's our only hope we are screwed haha. I see the Op has also brought up Jay Z being a Freemason which all signs point to not being true just like Rick Ross isn't either even if they did a track talking about Freemasons. Look at Tom Delonge (Blink 182, Angels & Airwaves,Box Car Racer) he also uses Freemason symbols but again all signs point to him also not being a Freemason. I would guess real Freemason music figures wouldn't really use to Freemason symbols for their entertainment life and act more like John Entwistle (The Who) where even his own band members didn't know he was a Mason until the day of his funeral. I think it would be dumb for big time music acts to broadcast their membership and give ammunition to anti-masons also with all the camera's/paparazzi I would think someone like Jay Z's membership would be uncovered, plus I would think his fellow lodge members might tell their family and friends hey guess what Jay Z is a member of my lodge. Are people even sure Jay Z even believes in an Higher being, I mean the guy calls himself Hova?

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Well our public officials do a decent job of hiding it despite the cameras, I'm sure a rapper could pull it off.
Secondly, there are just way too many black Masons to not assume at least some rappers are members.
And Officer Ricky is a Mason, the song was called Free Mason, and he drops specific Masonology.
I know that's not proof, but I don't think he'd really have any reason to lie, and don't tell me someone at the label wouldn't say "Whoa, there, what's that about?" if he wasn't in their club.
The frickin Girl Scouts would be pissed if someone who wasn't one said they were. That's kinda the point of membership in a club.
I'm not hating on any groups here nor endorsing any, but c'mon. Masons are a loyal fraternal brotherhood, all for one and one for all, but don't mind people claiming membership when they aren't? Doubtful.

Let me add to that: I'll just read these Masonic books on my shelves front to back, learn the hanshakes from the internet, print my own t-shirt and have a ring made, and just walk on into a lodge. After the festivities, I'll say, "Just kidding!" Anyone really recommend that?

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Sorry bout that lol. Forgot to reply regarding Donny. Yes that Donald Marshall. And yes I agree about ALL that. Tila is not helping anything...

KAOStheory
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Well our public officials do a decent job of hiding it despite the cameras, I'm sure a rapper could pull it off.
Secondly, there are just way too many black Masons to not assume at least some rappers are members.
And Officer Ricky is a Mason, the song was called Free Mason, and he drops specific Masonology.
I know that's not proof, but I don't think he'd really have any reason to lie, and don't tell me someone at the label wouldn't say "Whoa, there, what's that about?" if he wasn't in their club.
The frickin Girl Scouts would be pissed if someone who wasn't one said they were. That's kinda the point of membership in a club.
I'm not hating on any groups here nor endorsing any, but c'mon. Masons are a loyal fraternal brotherhood, all for one and one for all, but don't mind people claiming membership when they aren't? Doubtful.

Let me add to that: I'll just read these Masonic books on my shelves front to back, learn the hanshakes from the internet, print my own t-shirt and have a ring made, and just walk on into a lodge. After the festivities, I'll say, "Just kidding!" Anyone really recommend that?

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In the Freemason song Jay Z says "If y’all n word fear me, just say y’all fear me
F word all these fairy tales, go to hell this is God engineering
This is a Hail Mary pass, y’all interfering
He without sin shall cast the first stone
So y’all check in the mirror, double check your appearance
B word I said I was amazing
Not that I’m a Mason.

So Jay Z is pretty much saying he's not a Mason. Rick Ross has plenty of reasons to lie, heck his whole act is a lie, he wasn't a drug dealer and he even worked as a corrections officer for a while. His label never blew the lid of him being a corrections officer so why would they say he's not a Freemason plus it would be kind of hard for them to get proof? Maybe you or someone who's a Mason on this site can point out where in the song he uses Mason terminology that only actual Masons would know. There are definitely Freemason rappers but I just don't think Rick Ross is one unless he became a member before his rap career. Masons definitely would get mad about someone's fake membership but plenty of anti-masons have claimed to be members and Freemasons couldn't verify it until the person gave more detailed information (which lodge they joined or what city their lodge was in) which Rick Ross hasn't. Maybe Rick Ross is a Freemason but I'm leaning to the side he isn't.

KAOStheory
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Sorry bout that lol. Forgot to reply regarding Donny. Yes that Donald Marshall. And yes I agree about ALL that. Tila is not helping anything...

Ohh man that Donald Marshall guy is hilarious and a great story teller, I couldn't stop laughing when he brought up Troy Landry being involved. Tila Tequila deserves a lot of credit for mixing new age beliefs, UFO's, Illuminati, Freemasons, reptilians, and religion all into one giant conspiracy which not everyone can do. I do feel bad for Tila that brain aneurysm and drugs really did a number on her mind.

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Yea that's a good point about Ricky Ross, but also the fact that he was a CO, then went into rap while stealing the real Rick Ross's identity made me kinda think it may be true.

And regarding Donald Marshall and Tila, yea they had to push the whole reptilians and cloning thing to appeal to the teenyboppers.
"Are you tired of Vampires and Zombies yet? Me too! They're so 2012. Let's talk about Reptilians and Clones and Illuminatti OH MY!"
I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't all a movie release buildup. PLEASE tell me it's just a marketing strategy!

KAOStheory
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Yea that's a good point about Ricky Ross, but also the fact that he was a CO, then went into rap while stealing the real Rick Ross's identity made me kinda think it may be true.

And regarding Donald Marshall and Tila, yea they had to push the whole reptilians and cloning thing to appeal to the teenyboppers.
"Are you tired of Vampires and Zombies yet? Me too! They're so 2012. Let's talk about Reptilians and Clones and Illuminatti OH MY!"
I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't all a movie release buildup. PLEASE tell me it's just a marketing strategy!

Are you saying since Rick Ross did go into the field of being a CO it gives him a better chance of being an actual Freemason? If that's what you meant I completely agree, if he went into that field it would seem he has some education, ethics, didn't get in serious trouble when he was younger, and more than likely wasn't really a "gangsta" growing up. Donald Marshall could be an amazing screen writer with those ideas which I'm guessing the chance of his story being true is about 1%. I wonder if Tila really believe even half of the things that come out of her mouth, I mean the girl said she can create wormholes and even made a youtube video where she said she had energy coming out of her hands like she was Goku from Dragon Ball Z. I think she is trying to get attention for her new sex tape coming out or she wants to be the next Alex Jones. I can't think of any other reason to why she would say Hitler wasn't a bad guy and write an essay on the topic if it wasn't for press.

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Maybe they landed her for the new Iron Sky movie and maybe Donald works for 'em?
www.indiegogo.com...

Looks like they hit their funding goal already so we won't have to wait long to find out!
Kinda doubtful tho.
And yea, the sex tape. Now, if she were talking about CIA MKUltra mind control, well that would be a bit more believable. But if there even is mind control, regardless of by whom, wouldn't slipping subliminal messages into celebrity porn be a good way to do it? Or any porn for that matter. Your brain is in another state, more sugestable...it's ALMOST enough to scare me off it lol.
And the Hitler thing is really weird. Especially since if she's actually into Hitler and Nazi's, mind control and "Vril Lizards" should be A-OK in her book, right?

Oh and yes that's what I mean about Ricky. An agent all along.

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I always thought the whole name thing with Rick was pretty bogus, and when I heard about the C.O. thing, I heard an interview where he pretty much said, y'know, when you have kids, you get work where they're hiring. And I think it's a pretty shallow attitude to say that a C.O. or any law enforcement officer CAN'T be a good rapper, or to think ther's no way a C.O. or cop could have maybe used to be a drug dealer.
But when I saw him lie about being a C.O., that was really suspect. That's 2 counts of trying to hide who you really are, 1 of trying to be not just not you, but an actual other person...not only that, but to also try to keep alive what they person has fought hard to change and overcome. Especially on who was Freeway Ricky Ross, CIA coke dealer...then the whole lawsuit...it's just too obvious at this point that it IS a conspiracy.
Now I'm not saying that makes him a Mason but yes a little more likely. As you said, grew up maybe a little more clean, and a
lodge or any other group would be a great place to find a guy like him to do what he did, even just on a social level. Meet people, talk to them, see who might work. Throw it out there, see who it sticks to.
Anyhoo that's what I think about him, he's an agent for someone. Nobody likes him enough to believe he made all his career choices on his own, thinking they were in his best interest. Most people just think up their own stage name. Most, as in EVERYONE else in history.

KAOStheory
I'm posting this because lately on the internet (and so to be expected), there has been a great deal more talk of the recording and film industries being controlled by "the Illuminati".
The difference is, Tila Tequila and friends are "coming out" with their stories, and this is targeted towards the pre-teens and teens. Some people might say, "Hey this is great, someone like Tila speaking out, spreading awareness."
Well, what is actually being spread is not what even most die-hard conspiracy theorists would call "awareness".

There's a thread here about this guy Donald Marshall. www.abovetopsecret.com...
He calls himself an "Illuminati Insider", but looking at his youtube videos, he looks like just some guy in his mom's basement.
He's pretty new to all this, and it shows - big time. He calls Reptilians "Vrils" and says that the Vril Society, the Freemasons, and Scientology all work together, and that is what is called the Illuminati.
Now anyone who has any interest in occult or fraternal organizations and/or their links to conspiracy knows this is ridiculous.
Most of us understand, at least a bit, the historical timelines and etc. of these groups and how they work. However, a 13 year old doesn't. You or I may be old enough and have the insight to simply walk into a public library, find an old encyclopedia set, and look up "Illuminati". If you haven't, give it a try. But these kids sure as hell won't, they are going to believe anything anyone tells them. And now when they hear the word "Vril", they will immediately associate it with evil. Jacolliot was the first to write about it, after visiting the Janists. It doesn't come from "Vri-Il", it describes the lightning-like energy when using the Dorje and Bell.

Vril is Prana is Chi is Reiki is Ether is Orgone etc etc etc - it's all in how you use the Force, Luke.
Wilhelm Reich did some great work with Orgone - then he started with the weather modification, they had to put a stop to that. John Worrell Keely tried to lure mining investors by blowing a hole in a cliff - so his motor never got running. The Nazi's tried to put a gun on a Vril ship - it wouldn't fly. The Rosicrucians have known about what we now call Reiki and distance healing since long before Dr. Usui went to the mountain top - but they kept it a secret so it wouldn't be used to harm. Then you have the "Magnetic Lodge', who practiced Mesmerism...If your intentions aren't pure, you will fail in the end. I'll come back to this.

Back to the Societies, I myself have made vague statements against Masons on here, which I regret. I will still never join, but I am a member of other organizations with members who are Masons, and part of a larger collective of individuals seeking knowledge which ties us together. I personally don't feel they are the particular organization for me, but that's about all I have to say about them. You certainly can not blame such a large group for the actions of some. You can, but society has a name for that.

ANY group or organization which is either 1) "occult", or hidden, or 2) spiritual, will be attacked and slandered. Every one of them is made up entirely of satanic child-molesting clones and always have been.
Sure, ok. The saying used to be, "Don't beleive everything you read". Now it's, "Don't believe everything you read on the internet - UNLESS it's from a book! Then it MUST be true! SEE?! There's a reference thingy, right there! Did I click it? No..."

And it may not matter that people call Jay-Z "Illuminati" instead of "Mason", but it's not really accurate. I'm pretty sure you'd have to be a Mason to release a whole clothing line covered with Masonic symbols, but I'm also pretty sure he's not meeting with the Rothschilds about international banking.

And neither is saying the Illuminati is made up of Scientology, Vril, and Masons very accurate. To my knowledge, these 3 groups are not even really compatible. The Vril Society were anti-UN and Scientology was founded by Crowley followers.

Here's an example of what misinformation can do. On Donald Marshall's Facebook page, he posted an album cover featuring a Thule Society swastika (rounded), then someone posted the BMW symbol to compare. A comment said "I know that" - not "I heard", or "I think", but - "I know that they made it look like helicopter propellers because they built helicopters for the war."
This is what our children think. I don't know where to start with that, ancient Hindu and Native American symbolism or aviation technology timelines, but it's all kinds of face-plant. It's bad enough we'll never get the swastika back to being accepted for what it really is, but society is actually trying to take us further away from it, not closer to truth.

So in conclusion, I just want to make those of us who are a bit older and wiser to be aware of the disinformation being spread to the younger generations. Not to dwell on it too much, but to gauge the next generation's place in all this. Those of us who are aware of the changes taking place spiritually and trying to grow and help others to grow in this time of change, need to help those who are vulnerable to wild stories on the internet. They may be entertaining, but they are carefully designed to program the youth to reject the esoteric and occult knowledge which could help to keep them from becoming the mindless robots some of these people think are created in a lab by the Illuminati. My real concern is the robots being created in our schools, through music and film, and online.

Every culture has at least one word for Prana, Chi, Orgone, Vril, Life-Force, and even nuns are practicing Reiki (I personally think they always have, passed down from one generation to the next, not a new Reiki lineage). Our children are being made to fear it! Along with any other knowledge regarding spiritual awakening.

It's like this: If you are taught from an early age that homosexuality is a sin, you will fear it, and never educate yourself, fear those who are gay, reject inner feelings and questions, and possibly inhibit growth as a functioning member of society to the point of clinical mental illness and/or criminal behavior, even if and sometimes especially if you are actually gay!
This is no different in spirituality!

I'm not sure how to combat this trend, but awareness is a start! I don't even want to post replies to these people on their sites, because I honestly feel they are pretty much just there to see who will, and what they say about it, to identify us if not just waste our time.

Very interested to hear others opinions on this.
"It takes a village..."
-In Love & Light

I think you're underestimating our new generation coming. I am married to a wonderful wife and have 3 children (son 30,girls 25,26), I can tell you they are evolving in a way we sure didn't 40 years back. No wonder there's more revolts toward governments and big corporations.The only way to survive on this planet is to get rid of the ruling factor. All for the good of humanity and btw just read up on some government history,murderS,royal corruptionS,banking system,corporations and foreign countries elect your government (not you).... there's something more then freemasons

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You couldn't be more right.
Seems like only maybe 10 years ago if I told someone at the bar I do Reiki, Yoga, meditate, and work with crystals, most people would call me a new age hippie or something, now more not only KNOW what we're talking about, but also understand.
I've had this conversation repeatedly with different people, when they say, "The world is getting crazier!" I say, no, only part of it, and we are NOT part of that part!
Our part is getting saner, more sober, more intuitive and aware of ourselves and our surroundings.

So when you look something up online, even if it's true, there will be LOTS of false "facts" to be found. That way, when smart people check those references, they will determine the idea to be altogether false. These are very old ways of doing this, and the internet has simply made it MUCH easier for them. Remember in Orwell's 1984, where all the history books had been re-written? It's much easier with a backspace key than white-out.

KAOStheory
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You couldn't be more right.
Seems like only maybe 10 years ago if I told someone at the bar I do Reiki, Yoga, meditate, and work with crystals, most people would call me a new age hippie or something, now more not only KNOW what we're talking about, but also understand.
I've had this conversation repeatedly with different people, when they say, "The world is getting crazier!" I say, no, only part of it, and we are NOT part of that part!
Our part is getting saner, more sober, more intuitive and aware of ourselves and our surroundings.

So when you look something up online, even if it's true, there will be LOTS of false "facts" to be found. That way, when smart people check those references, they will determine the idea to be altogether false. These are very old ways of doing this, and the internet has simply made it MUCH easier for them. Remember in Orwell's 1984, where all the history books had been re-written? It's much easier with a backspace key than white-out.

I like your way of thinking but don't forget that in order to be (if ever) free it's not only being smart but.... go on the offensive and collaborate to cleanse this planet of evil, greed, autority status, controlling media, etc, etc, etc. It'll take a while but it'll work and we'll get there.... cheers!!

KAOStheory
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I always thought the whole name thing with Rick was pretty bogus, and when I heard about the C.O. thing, I heard an interview where he pretty much said, y'know, when you have kids, you get work where they're hiring. And I think it's a pretty shallow attitude to say that a C.O. or any law enforcement officer CAN'T be a good rapper, or to think ther's no way a C.O. or cop could have maybe used to be a drug dealer.
But when I saw him lie about being a C.O., that was really suspect. That's 2 counts of trying to hide who you really are, 1 of trying to be not just not you, but an actual other person...not only that, but to also try to keep alive what they person has fought hard to change and overcome. Especially on who was Freeway Ricky Ross, CIA coke dealer...then the whole lawsuit...it's just too obvious at this point that it IS a conspiracy.
Now I'm not saying that makes him a Mason but yes a little more likely. As you said, grew up maybe a little more clean, and a
lodge or any other group would be a great place to find a guy like him to do what he did, even just on a social level. Meet people, talk to them, see who might work. Throw it out there, see who it sticks to.
Anyhoo that's what I think about him, he's an agent for someone. Nobody likes him enough to believe he made all his career choices on his own, thinking they were in his best interest. Most people just think up their own stage name. Most, as in EVERYONE else in history.

I don't agree with him changing his name to Rick Ross or hiding his past work history as proof of a conspiracy, it just proves he like 90% of the other rappers don't use their real stage name and embellish their street cred. I mean rappers get caught lying all the time about being involved with gangs, being huge drug dealers, fighting/killing people and even get caught misrepresenting their struggle. I don't see how him lying about his background and name would make him more likely to be a Freemason, maybe I'm misunderstanding you but are you saying the Freemasons might of created his rapper persona and helped him become a popular rapper? Do you have any link to him saying he didn't come up with Rick Ross name on his own? Lets be honest even if someone else came up with a rappers stage name than that same rapper wouldn't admit it There isn't any rapper or any other big time artist who have made every decision on their own and I'm sure Suave House Records, 8Ball & MJG, Slip-n-Slide Records, Def Jam, Poe Boy Entertainment, Trick Daddy, his friends, and family all had big influences in his career. I don't think it's fair to say no one likes him when the first label he signed to was Suave House Records at the same time they had 8Ball % MJG and his first album went gold. I think a lot of his popularity has to come from working early on with DJ Khaled and Jazze Pha which opened the door for him being able to work with Cool and Dre, Birdman, Lil Wayne, and Drake.