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An AMAZING anology describing the taxation between rich and poor.

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posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 01:04 AM
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reply to post by ScientiaFortisDefendit
 


Hoo Haa C'mon.
Flat Tax, 20% Tax, Beatles Taxman, Air Tax,
what does it matter if The Loopholes allow me to store 20 billion offshore with open ended extensions.
You screwballs are still going to pay for my toilet paper one way or another.
Just to be fair though, I'll trickle it down from my third leg all over you.
That's trickle down economics.
We piss all over you.
The Joke is, You Allow It.




posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 01:14 AM
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reply to post by villagesmithie
 

Star to your calculations.
I will answer your man 10 question.
The answer is no.
He does NOT work harder than all the others.

He only INVESTS to make all the others work harder for him.
He does nothing more than put a "sum" into an account
that will reap the sweat,blood,and tears and of course capital
of his Fellow Man at Maximum Profit as rapidly as possible.

Without Remorse, and without Honor.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 01:18 AM
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Yeah, well speaking of beer....
Cheers Bob!



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posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 01:32 AM
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reply to post by Wildmanimal
 

Loopholes?

Those are for beer drinker number 9 so he won't spill the beans about beer drinker number 10 getting a kickback from the bar.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:15 AM
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You forgot the eleventh man, the politician. Ten of those men pay for his drinks, and the 11th man keeps promising to buy the next round but he never does. He cries poor but yet he can afford to buy drinks for the tenth man in another bar so the other nine men don't catch on.

edit on 16-1-2014 by Thecakeisalie because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:26 AM
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Gave you a star but the politician is the tenth man. He tells the other nine whatever needs to be said to keep them thinking this is the best bar around. The eleventh guy is the owner of the bar.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 03:22 AM
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The bottom men have no disposable income and spend everything they have and still fall short and must choose between such things as heat for their home, if they even have a home or a rental, electricity, gas, medicine, food, clothing... while the guys at the top are so wealthy, along with all their tax breaks, that their disposable income left over is still enough for them to be soooo bored that they will just.... buy that must have trophy home, their 6th one, a few extra luxury autos... maybe a sweet sedan and a sports car, a yacht, luxury vacations, a personal jet..... and they just may make that incredible amount EVERY YEAR! Its not only that the poor don't pay taxes, its that even though they don't they still can't have any kind of a life while those at the top make so much money they can hardly spend it all even if they try. This is the disparity, not a few beer dollars. The top make tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in a single year while the bottom make what? Ten thousand? Twenty? Even fifty thousand a year is a Mere Fraction of a Single Percent of what the top make. It's not a big difference, its a HUGE, GIGANTIC, IMMENSE, EXPONENTIAL difference!



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 03:24 AM
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DeadSeraph
You are part of the problem, not the solution.


This is a question that all people need to ask themselves continually throughout their lives.

Actually, if all the rich people just went away, all their laws could go with them as far as I'm concerned. LET'S FARM AGAIN!!!



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 07:11 AM
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www.parasite-street.co.uk...

The super-rich are greedy parasites, and although there are far fewer of them than there are poor people, they are costing taxpayers billions more in 'benefits', which enable them to remain super-rich.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 07:23 AM
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webedoomed
Yea, that is just a ridiculous analogy.

First off, you can't simplify it into mere decile. The top .1% can begin to influence political policy, hire creative accountants to earn further tax reductions, and find loopholes to hide monies in offshore accounts. I bet they can do much more, depending on how knowledgeable they are.

Honestly, a flat tax of 20% across the board, with NO tax loopholes should suffice any government. If it doesn't, figure out where the bloat is and cut the most useless programs.

The current system is far too complex to say any which side is being unfairly oppressed. It depends on one's knowledge-base, intellect, and particular set of circumstances to what extent they will even be capable of exploiting the system.
edit on 15-1-2014 by webedoomed because: (no reason given)


Really? You think someone making $12,000 a year can afford to lose $2,200 and still eat?

The rich pay more than the poor for a very simple reason.......they can afford to.

1% of a billion, is still many times more than 100% of $12,000.

There needs to be more equity in wages for a flat tax to ever work.

A mechanic should make a lot more than they do, as without their work the world would stop, but what about store clerk who makes it possible to feed your family with the food he stocks and sells, or the gas station attendant who keeps fuel in your car, or the guy who fixes your tires?

Every job I just named is worth more to everyday folks than every investment banker in the world, yet the investment bankers make the real money, even though less than 60% of the people will ever even talk to one, because they will never have enough money to invest in anything.

The top needs to be shaken down for their money, just not by the retarded .gov who would just waste it anyways, the people need to do it.

There is more than enough for every American that is willing to work 40 hours a week to be able to own a home and a decent car. The reason this is not reality, is that those at the top think they deserve 5 palatial mansions several outlandish cars, and gold gilded toilet seats.

While the workers that make all their money live in hovels ride the bus and eat bologna and roman noodles.

In closing, a flat tax is not even possible, those at the bottom will die of starvation, while those at the top will barely even notice.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 07:27 AM
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You missed the part where the Tenth Man gives a wad of cash to the Bartender so he is only presented with 15% of the bill. (Due to Man 10 receiving magic Dollars from the Capital Gains Fairy.)

And.

Where the Tenth man convinces the Bartender to throw Man 1,2,3 and 4 out of the Bar. (Because if they get given Beer they will never build their own Brewery.)




posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 07:44 AM
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BritofTexas
reply to post by CleanCare
 


You missed the part where the Tenth Man gives a wad of cash to the Bartender so he is only presented with 15% of the bill. (Due to Man 10 receiving magic Dollars from the Capital Gains Fairy.)

And.

Where the Tenth man convinces the Bartender to throw Man 1,2,3 and 4 out of the Bar. (Because if they get given Beer they will never build their own Brewery.)



You forgot to mention anything about the fact their jobs are " low skill" so they don't deserve any return on their labors, even though they are absolutely necessary for there to be any profits in the first place.

Or mention how the 10th man had his buddies allow millions of illegal workers to come in, thus forcing down wages a cross the board with their cheap labor.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 08:19 AM
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Good catch. Thanks.


I also forgot that the Beer they are drinking was brewed in China and the Brewery profits are stored in an account on the Cayman Islands.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 08:30 AM
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You're leaving out part of our economy- the work. You're talking about the exchange of worthless green paper as if that were the economy.

How does the situation look if the poor non payers are the workers who brewed the beer, and the middle class payers were the chemists who make sure the beer never makes anyone blind, and the guy "paying" owns the brewery? He is paying himself and the workers are drinking a small portion of the beer they made and allowed him to sell.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 09:05 AM
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Ah i see the problem here.

OP you forgot to mention that the bar is owned by the tenth guy who labors under-paid employees while sending his profit to one of his offshore bars, which he can do because he has the politicians under his control.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 09:26 AM
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And on top of that,if everyone had to pay the flat 20% on whatever they earn, then ALL pay.No exceptions.Sounds a lot more fair that way to me.I would be willing to go for that,but corp. and government don't see it that way and thats why we have all this bickering over the taxes.Everyone wants they're breaks that others are getting.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 11:14 AM
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CleanCare
Stumbled on this on the internet. I just had to share.

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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this…

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing
The fifth would pay $1
The sixth would pay $3
The seventh would pay $7
The eighth would pay $12
The ninth would pay $18
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59
So, that’s what they decided to do.


I'll give you a clue as to how your analogy fails from the get-go and let you ponder it.

10 Men go out for a beer ...In real life...and each and every one of them actually pays taxes on that beer...regardless of income. That is the way it works.

Now extrapolate that to everything else from groceries to gas et al.

Then contemplate payroll taxes already withheld by 98% vs. those owing money on capital gains etc. on April 15th by the 2%.

Or contemplate that Income Tax accounts for only 30% of the taxes paid in the USA.

The claims about who does and doesn't pay taxes only counts who owes taxes come tax day...not the withholding that has already occurred for anyone that actually gets a paycheck.

That is real life.

Put another way...the top 1% paid 354 Billion in Income taxes in 2010
www.aei-ideas.org...

While Total Tax Revenue in the USA was 4.7 Trillion
www.usgovernmentrevenue.com...

That comes to .075 of total taxes that the wealthiest 1% paid...

Hmmm....



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 11:30 AM
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The analogy doesn't fail for the simple fact the more people make the more in taxation they pay.


Someone who makes $1 million bucks at a 35% tax rate will pay $350,000 to the federal government.

That is not counting state taxes on income.

Who then turns around and pays for the mob majority social engineering programs like social security,medicare,medicaid,education,etc.

But the so called pay roll taxes the majority is 'paying' doesn't begin to cover the money redistributed out to the majority.

All the while nickle and diming a minority because for whatever reason they just can't stand the thought of 'rich' people.

The majority keeps wanting more, and more but the rich doesn't make up for the spending deficit, so they print more money.

That still doesn't cover them champagned wishes, and caviar dreams on wal mart paycheck so they borrow money from other countries to again pay for the majority.

That still doesn't cover the spending on the majority so the federal government created treasuries, and other nonsense to pay for the majority.,

Because between the income tax on a minority,printing money out of thin air,borrowing money from other countries STILL doesn't pay for what the majority 'wants'.

Of course the income tax was created to pay down federal government debt, but it has been bastardized in to a political issue because some people think it is our government's job to pay for our existence, and give us all the free fiat currency, and corporate products the majority hearts desire.

So they say a small percentage of the population doesn't matter.

So they say property rights don't matter.

They say the minority only exists to pay for whatever the majority wants.

Greed and materialism on a epic scale.

Redistributive wealth on an epic scale.

Current federal spending on just social programs being financed off a minority because remember now the more a person makes the more they pay.

But remember now doesn't cover the bills.

Oh and that same government who blows that money doesn't earn it,

They don't do anything for it.

They say,' Hey You there, Its tax time!'.

Last thought here lottery winners are the perfect example of why there are not more people 'getting rich'.

No matter what amount is won, the winner loses half to the federal government.

Back to your regular scheduled program arguing over nothing.

Fiat currency is nothing.

Printed out of thin air, and devalued like last weeks made in China Iphone.
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posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 11:39 AM
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Yep. I agree.

I will add that, IMO, the tenth guy, through dirty dealings, probably owns the bar, owns the company who makes the beer and keeps prices inflated so that he can exploit the less fortunate in many ways while he wins twice; In profit AND taxes.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 11:43 AM
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This analogy fails because it assumes at the beginning of the story all the men have the same income. Keep kindergartner metaphors in the trash where they belong.




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