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Health Care in America is a Joke for middle class

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posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 05:54 PM
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Ok so you can get some drugs for minor stuff from you Primary care Dr. Wait till you have Cancer. You go to ER with stage 4 and no Dr. around just nurses who have been taught to give you so much Morphine or Deloutid that you die. Heart stops etc...

One Dr. in most ER at night. Good luck getting the on call Dr. to give to #Z about you for any surgery. Forget any Dr. taking risk to save you A$$ wont happen.

Seen it 4 times now they just milk you till you a liability and then let you die.




posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 05:57 PM
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Are you sure you are talking about the US here?



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 06:15 PM
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Shuftystick
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Are you sure you are talking about the US here?


Sounds about right for the U.S. to me. I don't know if physicians are exactly "trained" to do this though. I think that usually it is the unfortunate result of experience in what insurance companies will cover. Most insurance companies will milk you until you hit that tipping point on their liability vs. profit calculator and then you are S.O.L. At that point all medical professionals can do is make you comfortable until the end.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 06:22 PM
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This is precisely why most people diagnosed with a serious illness should exhaust all alternative options before stepping into the shark-infested waters of the american medical system.

Honestly, do you know why there's been (probably) trillions spent on finding a cure for cancer and we still don't have access to one?

Because they haven't found a cure that generates more profit than cutting people apart, dousing them with radiation, and letting them slowly die.

This society is very, very sick. Greed is the diagnosis. And this is just one more symptom of the disease.
edit on 15-1-2014 by therealguyfawkes because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 06:57 PM
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I hope the middle class gets SOAKED and impoverished.

Why should they live better than the working poor? They Should NOT.

If one guy gets paid low wages, mostly it is so some middle class business owner can live better.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:07 PM
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One of the good things of a true capitalist economy is that you have the opportunity to become what you want if you work hard enough and have a product or service people want. Many millionaires started with little or nothing, including people like Oprah. The healthcare system in america is not the worst, but will be under socialistcare, it will break the system, simple as that. I feel bad for people with incurable situations, and wait till this joke of a program is complete and see how you are treated when they know there is no cure for you, we will be more disposible and your fine government will cut their costs early in the process.....



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:40 PM
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First of all that's entirely unfounded. I would also wager most "middle class" citizens don't even own their own business. Secondly, if anyone is making a buck off the poor it isn't generally the ever shrinking middle class. If anything the only people making money are at the top. The 1%, realistically more like the top 5%. The middle class are just poor class with slightly better jobs, but I would hardly say the middle class is in a much better position and it's getting worse. Middle class will soon be poor class. Most current middle class will never graduate to rich class. These changes to the system ultimately are creating economic termoil that will make everyone that isn't in the top 5% broke as hell. Third, if middle class managment makes more then lower class co-workers it's generally justified because that level of management is usually the most work in any given company. It's high enough on the totem pole for a little more money for a lot more work generally but not high enough for a lot more money for a lot less responsibility like a lot of high end positions are. Like, I feel sorry for a middle class Starbucks manager and the lower class barrista. I don't feel sorry for the CEO of Starbucks though. The slight increase in pay made by the middle class manager is generally hardly enough or not enough to justify the increased work load. Thus, it's hardly unfair that the typical middle class management position be paid a little more.

I as a lower end middle class citizen verging on poor or "low class". I don't make any more then anyone else at my level in my company, but I can say without a doubt that Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act have ultimately left my family high and dry and really in a very scary position. I could no longer afford to pay the rates for my companies insurance to keep my wife and daughter on. The rates went up about 150$ per paycheck. Going from 300$ to 467$ every two weeks. That's over half my paycheck. I might have considered keeping my daughter on my plan had I known what was going to happen, but because I didn't know. I dropped my wife and daughter thinking they could get insurance through other methods. They had till the end of december to find new insurance and I was aware of this at the beginning of december. Well, my wife submitted an application to Anthem for insurance. She applied but they didn't get back to her with the results of the application till after the holidays. So after New Years, we find out they denied her based on a pre-existing conditon basically even though that's bs for other reasons but I'm not going into that. As a result, my wife and kid don't have insurance. My wife is in some weird limbo since she applied for insurance through a third party using a help line or something and because we aren't in a high enough income bracket we were told my daughter (who is only a year and a half old) would not be considered for my wifes insurance and they told us she would need to apply to "Hoosier Healthwise" which is basically Indiana's Medicaid program for kids. It'll give us the cheapest insurance available for our daughter, but wait, that's not it. That would be too fu#king easy. They told us so many people are applying for "Hoosier Healthwise" that it would probably be at least 3 months before my daughter was able to get insurance. I'm looking for other options but I'm running into a lot of dead ends.

So if your going to blame anyone. Don't blame the middle class. They pretty much just as fu#ked as you are. Look at politions and the upper echelon. Neither I, nor my parents are making any money off of the lower class. If we were, we would be better off. If anything, until the middle class becomes the lower class, they'll be kinda worse off because they make "too much" money to qualify for social programs that help the lower class but barely make enough to get by. I can't believe people are still going to work at this point. It's getting to the point, where I don't see how people can sit idly by anymore. If my daughter gets seriously sick and I can't afford the medication what am I supposed to do, and the fact that they can fine you money on your taxes because you don't have insurance....it's fu#king retarded. It's not like I'm lazy or something, I just can't get anyone to give me what I need.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 08:08 PM
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The US healthcare is as broken as broken can get. Even the doctors hate the system.

Insurance companies have taken control of the U.S. economy, and they are more cold and cruel than the devil himself.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 09:23 PM
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On another note. The E.R. is not the place to be treated for cancer. If you are going to the E.R. for cancer their job is to stabilize you and manage your pain until you can see your oncologist. They are literally not qualified to do it, so there is a liability aspect to this as well. There is no such thing as emergency chemo.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 09:40 PM
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Perhaps you are talking because some terrible experience in the ER?

ER is for emergencies and pain management, My daughter is an ER nurse and most of the bulk of people that come to the ER are actually none emergency.

Trauma are treated first like cases of death and life situations, hart attacks, strokes cuts and bruises.

The last time I was in the ER as an emergency I had surgery within 6 hours, I was not bleeding to death, just pain complain that happen to be a serious condition and needed emergency surgery, within two hours, all my blood work was done and so the MRIs and x rays, and I was resting in a private room while been prep before surgery.

So I can not complain at all.

BTW cancer is not an ER common emergency, unless the person is having serious side effects from treatment or the disease, that can not wait for their specialist, usually people are kept overnight in cases that required more testing and this depend of the size of the hospital and ability to treat trauma.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 08:29 AM
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therealguyfawkes
This is precisely why most people diagnosed with a serious illness should exhaust all alternative options before stepping into the shark-infested waters of the american medical system.

Honestly, do you know why there's been (probably) trillions spent on finding a cure for cancer and we still don't have access to one?

Because they haven't found a cure that generates more profit than cutting people apart, dousing them with radiation, and letting them slowly die.

This society is very, very sick. Greed is the diagnosis. And this is just one more symptom of the disease.
edit on 15-1-2014 by therealguyfawkes because: (no reason given)


Excuse the vernacular but what a pile of bollocks.

I'm guessing that you believe that cancer is just one disease right?
And there's a cure that's been hidden from all of us?
If only that were the case.
Cancer's an umbrella term for a collection of diseases. Whilst it's true there isn't a panacea for cancer there has been a hell of a lot of progress in treating it and helping people survive longer.
Only on dodgy sites will you find someone saying that this or that will cure cancer.
And guess what? It won't and never will.

Take the time to read up on what cancer actually is and you may understand why it's so difficult to combat.

There's something like an 85% success rate in treating some childhood leukaemias now whereas 30 or 40 years ago 85% of those kids may have succumbed to it.
So in your mind, why should they rid children of cancer as surely they would earn them more money as they'll be taking their medication for the rest of their lives?
Aside from a few cancers, notably pancreatic and lung cancer, survival's far better now and that's down to earlier detection and better and more targeted treatment.
And how do you think they've been able to work out how to do that?
Oh yes, spending the research money.
Would you rather they just let people die instead of offering treatment?

Any company which discovered a cure for cancer (even just one!) which negated the need for chemo, rad therapy or surgery would pretty much rule the world. Over night.
People wouldn't just stop getting cancer would they so there would be a constant stream of people needing the cure.
Just think of how much money a company could charge for a cancer cure.
Seriously, have a proper think about it.

Then realise why this "they don't don't want to cure it as there's more money in treating it" is the biggest load of hogwash around.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 08:49 AM
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HanzHenry
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I hope the middle class gets SOAKED and impoverished.

Why should they live better than the working poor? They Should NOT.

If one guy gets paid low wages, mostly it is so some middle class business owner can live better.



The business owner is upper middle class, moderately wealthy or wealthy. The middle class is the only righteous class of people in the world, the poor are victims and the wealthy are evil.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 09:12 AM
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Hi friend,

The problem is that most cancer cures that've been discovered are natural--read: unpatentable.

So no, there's not really much money to be made off of these. Not compared to the mountains of cash hospitals rake in from the holy trinity of chemo, radiation, surgery.

If you'd like to learn more about court-documented and evidence-proven natural cures for cancer, I'd suggest starting with the book When Healing Becomes a Crime.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 09:21 AM
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therealguyfawkes
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Hi friend,

The problem is that most cancer cures that've been discovered are natural--read: unpatentable.

So no, there's not really much money to be made off of these. Not compared to the mountains of cash hospitals rake in from the holy trinity of chemo, radiation, surgery.

If you'd like to learn more about court-documented and evidence-proven natural cures for cancer, I'd suggest starting with the book When Healing Becomes a Crime.


I'll probably give the book a miss if it's okay with you and stick to the real science.
I do like a good conspiracy but only when there actually is one.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 09:22 AM
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HanzHenry
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I hope the middle class gets SOAKED and impoverished.

Why should they live better than the working poor? They Should NOT.

If one guy gets paid low wages, mostly it is so some middle class business owner can live better.



Did the middle class piss in your cheerios or something? Why so jealous? We are trying just as hard as anyone else if not harder since the motto of America is currently work your ass off so the government can reach in your pocket, take your money and give it to the people not working as hard as you all while letting you pay the taxes for the people above you as they shelter their money in tax havens. Methinks you don't know what you are talking about and just lashing out blindly.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 10:31 AM
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The book is a recounting of true stories/court cases, but I completely understand if you're not interested. Cheers!



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 11:47 AM
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therealguyfawkes
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The book is a recounting of true stories/court cases, but I completely understand if you're not interested. Cheers!


Looking at the book it seems to be focussed on the Hoxsey treatment.
Specifically on the use and promotion of the Hoxsey treatment within the USA.
Since it doesn't work there doesn't seem to be much of an issue about shutting the clinics down especially when they couldn't provide proper evidence to suggest they did cure cancer.
Or even that the people they were treating actually had cancer in the first place!

But feel free to believe what you read in books like these. There are plenty of them out there all with the same premise.
I mean, if all of the treatments written in the books worked, there wouldn't be many people around with cancer would there?
However, I'll stay with facts and evidence thanks.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 11:57 AM
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Steve Jobs died of cancer. That man was very smart, wealthy, and connected. If Jobs couldn't beat cancer with all of his connections and money, I seriously doubt that a cure is sitting on a shelf someplace.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 01:08 PM
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Of course there probably isn't a 100% guaranteed cure for all types of cancer.

But it's very likely that there's many, many alternative treatments that are more effective and cheaper than the butchery the AMA pushes.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:36 PM
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therealguyfawkes
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Of course there probably isn't a 100% guaranteed cure for all types of cancer.

But it's very likely that there's many, many alternative treatments that are more effective and cheaper than the butchery the AMA pushes.


It would be great if there were.
Unfortunately there aren't.
Lots of promises but no deliveries.



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