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the Koch Card ;; Democrat ObamaCare Panic

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posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:18 PM
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dukeofjive696969

beezzer
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Star for you! (omg, a response!)

So debate on the merits?


Sorry if dont reply often, i do seem to have issues with my ats or i just havent figured out how to see replys to my post in threads.

For now romneycare is just starting, we still cant say how bad or good it could affect americans in the long run. Wheve heard alot of hear say and doom porn, arent you guys fed up of behing angry at the other side, i love americans, there leaders and politicians not so much.


If there is a flood, and the water in only up to your knees, you don't wait for the water to get to your neck before you begin to worry.

It's a flood.

You can call it romneycare all day long.

Obama calls it obamacare.

He owns it.

The left owns it.
The left voted for obamacare.

There was never a vote for romneycare

Embrace the madness.




posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:23 PM
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beezzer

dukeofjive696969

beezzer
reply to post by dukeofjive696969
 


Star for you! (omg, a response!)

So debate on the merits?


Sorry if dont reply often, i do seem to have issues with my ats or i just havent figured out how to see replys to my post in threads.

For now romneycare is just starting, we still cant say how bad or good it could affect americans in the long run. Wheve heard alot of hear say and doom porn, arent you guys fed up of behing angry at the other side, i love americans, there leaders and politicians not so much.


If there is a flood, and the water in only up to your knees, you don't wait for the water to get to your neck before you begin to worry.

It's a flood.

You can call it romneycare all day long.

Obama calls it obamacare.

He owns it.

The left owns it.
The left voted for obamacare.

There was never a vote for romneycare

Embrace the madness.


You mean the emotional rollercoaster that americans go throught each election, the same roller coaster you guys go throught with which ever party is in power.

Romneycare was invented by romney, and obummer copied and pasted and tweeked it for insurance companies, but yea keep on saying its the lefts fault, it might change something.
edit on 15-1-2014 by dukeofjive696969 because: fixing my bad grammar sorry yalll



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:27 PM
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Duke, no-one stands a chance. Honestly, it's up to the individual now.

We're all screwed if we let ourselves become victimized. I refuse to become a victim.

So I will fight, yell, scream, work, protect, me and mine, because I can't count on, rely on anyone else.

Peace.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:37 PM
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beezzer
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Duke, no-one stands a chance. Honestly, it's up to the individual now.

We're all screwed if we let ourselves become victimized. I refuse to become a victim.

So I will fight, yell, scream, work, protect, me and mine, because I can't count on, rely on anyone else.

Peace.


Good on you, and i really hope americans can fix there issues with how there country is run, the biggest reason why as a canadian my life is trully great is because of you guys .

I might not agree with some of the stuff you post, but heck ill defend your right to the end.

Ill bicker and make jokes, but thats just me behing me. Sorry



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:41 PM
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I don't know if we'll ever agree on anything, but it was finally nice to have a conversation!

Next time, the beers on me.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:43 PM
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beezzer
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I don't know if we'll ever agree on anything, but it was finally nice to have a conversation!

Next time, the beers on me.


Dude your awsome, dont change, and i mean it.

Sorry for behing off topic.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:43 PM
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Of course, anyone in the TEA Party will tell you that the Koch Brothers have absolutely nothing to do with them, and what's more, will BELIEVE themselves.

I think American politics (especially on the far right) is now at the point that most Americans believe the lies that they hear repeatedly.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:53 PM
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babybunnies
Of course, anyone in the TEA Party will tell you that the Koch Brothers have absolutely nothing to do with them, and what's more, will BELIEVE themselves.

I think American politics (especially on the far right) is now at the point that most Americans believe the lies that they hear repeatedly.


Isn't that indicative of a bias when you won't or don't include the left?



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:53 PM
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posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 08:09 PM
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babybunnies
Of course, anyone in the TEA Party will tell you that the Koch Brothers have absolutely nothing to do with them, and what's more, will BELIEVE themselves.

I think American politics (especially on the far right) is now at the point that most Americans believe the lies that they hear repeatedly.


What does this even mean? Please give examples of the lies the far right are telling themselves and believing?



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 08:34 PM
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Shall I start with Ted Cruz?
"Creeping Sharia Law", the rights of states to form a compact and bypass Presidential Veto and his theory that Soros and the UN want to eliminate our right to play golf? I suppose we could just go for the obvious dig at his Father's connection to Castro and how he helped establish Socialism in that little country.

Here is Papa Cruz in action, if Obama's heritage is fair game then so is Cruz's right?



Should I try for Bachmann instead?
Maybe Sarah Palin?


Oh, and Uber Conservative is currently defined as someone who is extremely right-wing in their political leanings.

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posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 09:09 PM
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Thorneblood
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Shall I start with Ted Cruz?
"Creeping Sharia Law", the rights of states to form a compact and bypass Presidential Veto and his theory that Soros and the UN want to eliminate our right to play golf? I suppose we could just go for the obvious dig at his Father's connection to Castro and how he helped establish Socialism in that little country.

Here is Papa Cruz in action, if Obama's heritage is fair game then so is Cruz's right?



Should I try for Bachmann instead?
Maybe Sarah Palin?


Oh, and Uber Conservative is currently defined as someone who is extremely right-wing in their political leanings.

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Ok....so...We have Cruz, Bachmann and Palin.....and creeping sharia law and bypassing presidential vetos.....then Cruz's heritage because something about Obama........

you got me.....I think?......nope no idea what you are talking about.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 09:52 PM
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The democratic party has always been seen as the party most beneficial to the low income and poor.

I f the next president is republican, he won't 'fix' all of the screwed up programs.

Even more people have fallen into poverty/low income, so I believe the next democratic presidential candidate will run on the promise of improving all of the faulty programs, so more Americans will qualify for government entitlements.

The scary part is, there just may be enough poverty-level voters to elect our first 'lady'
president.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 09:52 PM
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Why not? You wanted examples of the lies the far right tell themselves and seemingly believe and that is what you got.

As for the Obama reference, well I have spent the last 6 years listening to people drone on and on about how he isn't an American citizen because of his paternity. Now we have Ted Cruz coming up as a major candidate for the Presidency and his own father actually helped establish communism in another country and believes God is returning to distribute the wealth of the wicked to his faithful.

But like you said, I lost you. Figures.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 10:24 PM
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Thorneblood
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Forgive me If I am wrong, but didn't the Heritage Foundation and by extension the Koch bros create the framework for the Affordable Care Act back during the Clinton presidency?

Wasn't it all initially instituted by Romney, a republican?


Nope.

Take your pick of 'We to pass this bill to know whats in it'.

Or.

Is the left so lazy, and incompetent they have to plagiarize someone else's work?

And for the record free healthcare has been a mantra of the Democratic party for over 100 years.

Can't blame the right for Obama care.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 10:31 PM
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Thorneblood
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Why not? You wanted examples of the lies the far right tell themselves and seemingly believe and that is what you got.

As for the Obama reference, well I have spent the last 6 years listening to people drone on and on about how he isn't an American citizen because of his paternity. Now we have Ted Cruz coming up as a major candidate for the Presidency and his own father actually helped establish communism in another country and believes God is returning to distribute the wealth of the wicked to his faithful.

But like you said, I lost you. Figures.



ok...ok...
So Ted Cruz was born in Canada to an American mom who was still an American (did not give up her citizenship).....don't know what the issue is there but....the deal with Obama was that he was not forthcoming with his birth certificate etc etc.

as for his dad....yeah there are some issues there but he also ended up fighting against Castro in the end.....people do come to terms now and again....it appears he did.

But I am looking for lies that the uber-rightwing tell......I don't think of Palin ad Bachmann as uber right wing.

To me...uber right wing is on the precipice of anarchy and that is why I was asking the question of what constitutes "uber-conservative" and what lies are being told.

as for the UN and Soros/Golf course comment....I don't know anything about it but it sounds like he was talking about agenda 21 stuff......which is no lie.

as for your snarky little comment at the end.....it's hard to follow someone who is not giving specific arguments but just shooting a shot gun of BS comments out there



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 10:39 PM
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So Ted Cruz was born in Canada to an American mom who was still an American (did not give up her citizenship).....don't know what the issue is there but....the deal with Obama was that he was not forthcoming with his birth certificate etc etc.


Dunno what the issue is either.

Considering all the Cruz critics don't have a problem with illegal immigrants.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 10:41 PM
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neo96
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So Ted Cruz was born in Canada to an American mom who was still an American (did not give up her citizenship).....don't know what the issue is there but....the deal with Obama was that he was not forthcoming with his birth certificate etc etc.


Dunno what the issue is either.

Considering all the Cruz critics don't have a problem with illegal immigrants.


************************************************************************

you just made me spit out my tequila .... through my nose!!!!

Nice avatar by the way



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:03 AM
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You are so ignorant. I can't believe how you could applaud big money upending our voting process. You are so stuck into the left right paradigm that you can't see how you are manipulated and used for the billionaires that are co-opting not only legislation but the governance of this country.

Your trip is you want to piss on Obama and his signature legislation. I don't care. I am against it with every fiber of my body. But to sell yourself out to a group that has zero respect for you or the human race just because the are anti-Obamacare.

You are what is wrong with this country. You are like the poor people in W. Virginia that have continually voted against their own interests.

Your too dense to get it. And I really don't care. I get it.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 04:17 AM
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Thorneblood
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By that I assume you mean the American people, since ya know, they voted every one into office in the first place right?
Since you voted, even if it wasn't for certain people in office, then you too are accountable for playing into the system.


Now, theres an interesting question.

If you've never voted in your life, are you responsible for any of the things people are upset about?
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