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Look at a picture of the Earth at night, and the world appears to be, quite literally, glowing. Now, scientists are starting to look for signs of advanced alien civilizations by the glow given off by technology used to harvest the energy from a star or even an entire galaxy.
Theoretical physicist and mathematician Freeman Dyson first proposed the idea that advanced alien civilizations might develop technology to encircle a star and harvest most of its power, a structure now known as a Dyson sphere. If these objects do exist, astronomers might be able to detect the waste heat they produce using telescopes that peer into space using infrared light.
"The main point," Dyson told LiveScience, "is looking for aliens who don't want to communicate. My question was, 'How do you look for silent aliens?' They have to radiate away their waste heat. The only way to do that is to radiate lots of infrared radiation."
Now, astronomers at Pennsylvania State University are starting to narrow the search for Dyson spheres. But the search has only just begun, and may take hundreds of years, Dyson said. Finding Dyson spheres isn't inevitable, but "it's certainly possible," he said.
Great balls of fire
Much of the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) effort has focused on listening for radio signals sent by an intelligent civilization, as depicted in the movie "Contact." But this approach assumes the aliens want to communicate with humans. Dyson spheres get around this problem, because even a civilization that wasn't actively trying to communicate with others would give off waste heat.
Russian astrophysicist Nikolai Kardashev classified long-lived civilizations as one of three types: those that control the resources of a planet (Type I), of a star (Type II), or of a galaxy (Type III). A Dyson sphere represents a Type II civilization.
An episode of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" depicts the starship Enterprise responding to a distress call from a transport ship that has crashed into the outer hull of a Dyson sphere. But Dyson himself never envisioned the structure as a solid sphere.
"It doesn't have to be a sphere at all," Dyson said, "just any place where aliens happen to be generating a lot of energy." He described his structure as an "artificial biosphere," which could be a cloud of objects orbiting a star closely enough to absorb all the starlight. A solid sphere would be too weak to support its weight against the gravity of a star.
Dyson estimated that an alien civilization with a surface temperature around 80 degrees Fahrenheit (27 degrees Celsius) would emit infrared radiation at a wavelength of around 10 microns. Earth's atmosphere emits a lot of radiation in this region, so a telescope located in space would work best. But the necessary technology wasn't available when Dyson proposed the idea.
AliceBleachWhite
reply to post by JadeStar
Wonderful post. S+F!
I like the idea of this approach, but, have some reservations in hanging any hope on us finding anything on the scales proposed in any order of magnitude approaching the size, organization, ambition, and management something like a Dyson Sphere would require.
In consideration of speculations involving some current models where intelligence has a greater likelihood of development from a predatory line of evolution, I think the population densities that would require the energy of such massive engineering projects, even if primarily enacted by a cloud of robots would be off-set by a demand for a diversity of other resources, like "elbow" room.
I think the likelihood for a civilization developing artificial suitcase stars, or portable suns prepackaged and bottled in smaller scale, more manageable Dyson Spheres, just as we ourselves are attempting in our quest for sustainable fusion to be of higher probability.
Beyond that, I feel we're looking at spookier energy solutions of the likes we find in the pages of Science Fiction, but, all still relatively compact and "portable".
Psychologically, one of the problems we ourselves have is territoriality over energy, and other resources.
Development of portability would be the more rational and reasoned approach to an energy solution because territory, whatever, and wherever that territory might be can be taken where your loss then becomes any aggressor's gain.
Once you've established mobility of all your major concerns, if the neighborhood goes to pot, one then simply weighs anchor and shoves off to sunnier shores.
That's a little difficult to do in investing material resources on stellar or even just planetary scales.
Then again, that's just one perspective.
In a Universe of possibilities, there are quite certainly many possibilities on wide variety by any potential number X of sundry civilizations of diverse psychology and technological development.
Should we sight positive results, it could be we've found some home-bodies that don't share the same interest we have in looking outward in scanning the horizon.
"The main point," Dyson told LiveScience, "is looking for aliens who DON'Twant to communicate.
Sakrateri
"The main point," Dyson told LiveScience, "is looking for aliens who DON'Twant to communicate.
Then why are we trying to find them ??????
Sakrateri
"The main point," Dyson told LiveScience, "is looking for aliens who DON'Twant to communicate.
Then why are we trying to find them ??????
Sakrateri
Do you really believe that if we ever found the existence of another civilization we would just leave them be in peace? Please look at our history it is not one of peace and prosperity.
We (as in the powers that be) would do everything possible to get to them and exploit everything that is of value on their planet then we would fight over who gets what parts of it.
JadeStar
Sakrateri
Do you really believe that if we ever found the existence of another civilization we would just leave them be in peace? Please look at our history it is not one of peace and prosperity.
We (as in the powers that be) would do everything possible to get to them and exploit everything that is of value on their planet then we would fight over who gets what parts of it.
Good thing most of the aliens will be older and more advanced than us then isn't it?
We're most likely the kids. Our solar system is young compared to most of the star systems we look at out there.
It's highly unlikely that we're the top intelligent species in this part of the galaxy much less the entire galaxy or grander universe.edit on 15-1-2014 by JadeStar because: (no reason given)
jonnywhite
reply to post by JadeStar
What if there's no single massive power generating unit but they're spread out? For example, what if there're just a lot of small scale fusion power plants?
Does this require a gigantic power plant or what?
Could another species in our galaxy detect the waste heat around earth?
If not now, when?
Do we have to encircle our star to be measurable?
Bedlam
Just look at large gamma-ray bursts. That's no stellar phenomenon. It's an industrial accident.
Anyway, Dyson spheres are unstable, require gravity generation to retain atmosphere, and vent to space in the event of a puncture. Very dangerous.
An episode of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" depicts the starship Enterprise responding to a distress call from a transport ship that has crashed into the outer hull of a Dyson sphere. But Dyson himself never envisioned the structure as a solid sphere.
"It doesn't have to be a sphere at all," Dyson said, "just any place where aliens happen to be generating a lot of energy." He described his structure as an "artificial biosphere," which could be a cloud of objects orbiting a star closely enough to absorb all the starlight. A solid sphere would be too weak to support its weight against the gravity of a star.
JadeStar
Well if we saw a bunch of small bursts in a continuous line, doppler shifted indicating motion, well that would be........interesting.
Perhaps this is a better picture of what we envision when talking about Dyson Spheres/Dyson Shells:
JadeStar
Sakrateri
"The main point," Dyson told LiveScience, "is looking for aliens who DON'Twant to communicate.
Then why are we trying to find them ??????
Because one can learn a lot about the universe, our place in it and perhaps our future just by verifying their existence. That's what the search for intelligent extraterrestrials is all about.
Communication would just be a bonus.
jonnywhite
One other thing...
Is it possible Dyson Spheres or something like them is the reason the measurable gravitational "output" of galaxies so much more than the visible matter?
Bedlam
jonnywhite
One other thing...
Is it possible Dyson Spheres or something like them is the reason the measurable gravitational "output" of galaxies so much more than the visible matter?
I've got a SF book at home, The Wanderer by Fritz Leiber, the central theme is that pretty much the stars you see are all "old" light, and nothing's that way anymore - it's all Dyson spheres or the like now, and Earth is in a sort of wildlife preserve. The discrepancy you see now would be because from our viewpoint, the transformation's already well underway, and the "dark matter" is Dyson spheres already going up like condos on a beachfront.