reply to post by projectbane
I feel like I have to defend the guy because I've evidently listened to him more than you have and therefore can share some insight into where he is
pulling these things from.
I must admit - I strongly agree with a few things Icke has said; regarding how the body interacts with the universe, the current global situation (to
an extent) and some other little things. He IS actually clued up to these things, so he has some element of rationality about him.
I don't agree with his moon/Saturn theories at all, but he did point me to some interesting facts I probably would've not found out about. The
Reptilian thing is a different story, because I see clearly where he got the 'concept' of an Inter-dimensional entity from, but the addition of the
'reptilian' description has completely jeopardised his hope of having a large percentage of people listen to him. If he had simply claimed it was
angels/demons etc he would probably get a lot less stick.
But for the sake of your sanity regarding this (why does it bother you so much?), let me explain how he arrived at this conclusion. Firstly, that
fortune teller story is nonsense. Icke has said numerous times himself that his real 'journey' started when he took Ayahuasca; so lets take a deeper
look at that.
Ayahuasca is an ancient 'substance' (actually a brew that allows oral digestion of the active ingredient of Ayahuasca - which I can't discuss on
here...) that was employed by witch doctors and shamans alike. It is the most powerful hallucinogenic known to man. Rick Straussman's (Harvard Prof.
Of Psychology) book; 'The Spirit Molecule', was based around his conducting of the ONLY official study ever done on a certain shamanic substance,
and a significantly large (over 60%-70% I believe) proportion of the subjects reported contact with either 'cosmic' like serpents or straight up
Reptillian humanoids, and these same people were often VERY dismissive of Straussman's proposal of these 'entities' being purely created via
psychological effects. Infact, Straussman himself eventually changed his opinion to that of believing these 'entities' were very much real and that
we simply are out of our 'depth' with the understanding we have of 'them'.
Interestingly, Straussman also found a large overlap in symptoms/descriptions of his subjects and people who experienced a 'UFO abduction',
especially with people reporting 'reptilian entities'. This is one of the factors that actually helped divide the UFO community into 2 - with some
believing the abductions were 'real', physical events, and others believing they were 'spiritual' attacks by an unknown source. A third and less
common interpretation is the mix of the two - these 'entities' are a physical race that evolved significantly before us and have reached a stage of
development where they can become invisible to us (whether it be via multidimensional travel/manipulation of the fundamental, cloaking, the genetic
altering of life etc).
A personal note I can add here is that a good friend of mine has taken this substance, and experienced 'waking-up' in what he describes as a
'transparent cube' and was greeted by a few mantis-headed (in general shape/eyes) entities that he says seemed 'surprised' to 'see' him. One of
them took him to a 'massive screen like machine' and told him to look at it. My friend says he felt like he had an information overload at that
point and can't remember anything else. Make of it what you will. I know his story is true at least because I was there when he 'woke up' back in
our world. This lasted 5 mins of physical time, in which my friend was not conscious of this world. His body did thrash around at a few points
however, and he shouted '#! #!' while grabbing his head. That whole 'encounter' spooked me to be honest, and when we read the Spirit Molecule
after we were absolutely shocked.
So, Icke took a substance that's known for making man appear to 'perceive' intelligent, consistent humanoid entities operating from within their
own 'space', and was subsequently 'told' he has a journey to do, or a mission to accomplish.
It is possible he drew the Reptilian factor from the Ayahuasca stories/official study, or he could have also based it on ancient beliefs, as
reptilian/cosmic serpent references and worship are plentiful in the ancient world. There have been ancient accounts of reptilian shapeshifters as
well, so it is not the unique product of Icke's imagination alone. There's also Credo Mutwa, the Zulu nation's story keeper, that Icke did an
extensive interview with; in which Mutwa claims his people's most sacred belief is that in our distant past we were disturbed by an ALIEN Reptilian
humanoid presence - which manipulated us and gave us the genetics for things such as language. Things like this have probably reinforced Icke's alien
from Draco claims (he hasn't always been consistent in claiming that the Reptilians are from Draco and even aliens).
Can ANY logic be found in these claims? Possibly.
Some scientists have postulated that a certain type of dinosaur, the Troodon, could've possibly continued to evolve into an intelligent, and perhaps
humanoid life form. Other scientists have suggested reptilian life forms DNA should occur more frequently than mammals and hence throughout the
universe intelligent reptilian life is more plausible than human-like creatures. If the Troodon did evolve into an intelligent life form somehow, it
would've had a good 70 million years of lead time on us.
In this thought experiment - is it completely implausible to suggest that these entities then could've reached a technological level beyond what we
can even currently comprehend possible (along with mastering everything we do know is possible) and in that effect have become Gods in regards to us.
In that case, almost anything becomes possible - and this idea of entities which cannot be seen or give off 'false forms' and have interacted with
humans for a long time becomes possible. Of course, it is a stretch still, and there is no truly solid, smokin' gun evidence - but it is possible.
Then factor in that many ancient cultures spoke of entities that came from 'heaven' down to Earth and interacted with us, some Reptillian and some
not, but there is this general theme of either 'Gods'/sky-beings/bringers of knowledge or something of that sort.
The ancient Gnostics, with their main body of text dating from around 100 BC, spoke of an inorganic force that formed with the universe - that they
call the Archons. The original archon took the form of a serpent/dragon, and believed he was the one true God of the universe. The Archons are spoken
of as entities that exist outside our world and can 'go through the veil', either 'possessing a human' or manifesting physically in their
perception. This is practically a large element of Icke's 'reptilian theory'.
This same concept is generally repeated with the Angels and Demons of Christianity. The devil's story, or should I say the story of Samjaza, is a
very distinct story in the original collection of texts. The Book of Enoch tells it in great detail; Samjaza and 200-300 'angels' came down to
Earth, raped the women of the Earth and this resulted in the 'Demi-Gods', who were sometimes giants and lived amazing life spans. However, 'God'
perceived this as corruption of his human creation, and sent a flood to restart the human population - leading to the story of Noah. In the book of
Enoch angels/demons are referred to 'watchers' instead, and are described in a sense closer to the Archons.
Interestingly, the story of Noah originates from our first record of a 'story' - the Epic of Gilgamesh - dating to about 2800 BC but probably
originates from earlier Sumerian beliefs. In Tablet XI Gilgamesh (who is a part God king of the post-flood era according to the Sumerians) is told a
grand secret; some time ago, there was a city full of Gods, and their minds drove them to wish to cause a great flood that shall destroy humanity. One
of the Gods, went against the rest and warned a human and instructed him on how to preserve the human race. According to the Sumerians, these guys (or
'kingships descended from Heaven' as they claimed) openly ruled us for about 200,000 years.
In the Quran, it claims that God created an entity before us called the Jinn; who were made from 'smokeless fire' but had free will. They could see
us but we can't see them, and they can possess us or take a form in our heads - much like the archons and watchers.
Coincidently, follow this pattern through and we've still got the same story going on today. Millions upon millions of people have claimed to been
abducted or 'spiritually invaded' by advanced entities. We still have people claiming to have been contacted by Reptilians from the 'sky'. We
still have people experiencing reptilian entities on substances that have only recently been 're-discovered' by the modern world.
I think Icke literally took all of these factors, and was simply mind blown - all following an experience on Ayahuasca. I think from that point on
he's actually taken any theory with a slight connection to this general mythos and implemented it as truth - which is his ultimate downfall. But he
is knowledgable in certain areas, and honestly he's trying to fight the good fight. He has made a nice sum off this but remember mate, when he first
came out with this stuff it was really unimaginable # - and I highly doubt he just 'took a risk' in hopes in conning people into making him money.
The guy was nationally mocked for like a decade lol.
If he had kept his theory minimal, and focused on the more core components of his ideas he would've faced a lot less mockery. Because he has tried to
pin down details onto everything he has ended up tripping himself up several times and its a shame - because he's onto something with a few of his