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posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 12:20 PM
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dukeofjive696969
Oh oh another romneycare doom thread, can you guys get proof or facts, not just the typical doom porn, seriously its comedy, scaring people with made up numbers lol

Romneycare isint going anywhere


Says the drive by liberal poster who doesn't post any positive facts to back up his position. I'd say there is more substance on the anti-Obamacare side than from your side. How about earning your paycheck from the Obama administration and actually post something with some substance. I can jump in and out of threads telling the people they are wrong too.


AngryCymraeg
I see that more people have drunk the anti-Obamacare crazy juice. Pitiful.


Seriously, is this what the liberal posters have been reduced to? Just jump into threads say, "You're wrong" then exit as if they actually accomplished something?
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posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 12:28 PM
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Those that are lauding Obamacare wanted this.
Those in DC that wrote the bill wanted this.
Those in DC that voted for the bill, wanted this.

We got it. Single-payer and a further depressed economy.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 01:30 PM
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Apologies for interjecting sanity or reality amidst an Obama-doom thread...but...



Nearly a quarter of the 2.2 million people who have enrolled in health coverage in the health law's insurance marketplaces are young adults

....

Under a worst-case scenario in which just 25 percent of enrollees are age 18 to 34, then insurers would have to raise premiums by just 2.4 percent in 2015.


www.kaiserhealthnews.org...



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 01:51 PM
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Indigo5
reply to post by snarky412
 


Apologies for interjecting sanity or reality amidst an Obama-doom thread...but...



Nearly a quarter of the 2.2 million people who have enrolled in health coverage in the health law's insurance marketplaces are young adults

....

Under a worst-case scenario in which just 25 percent of enrollees are age 18 to 34, then insurers would have to raise premiums by just 2.4 percent in 2015.


www.kaiserhealthnews.org...


Let's look at your link, it's from, The Obama Administration Announced Monday! Yes, the Obama Administration, Now There's a Group of People that are Open and Honest and Transparent !!!!! JANUARY ENROLLMENT REPORT
For the period: October 1, 2013 – December 28, 2013, Yes, the Obamacare website was just the Most Dependable Website for the most Up To Date Truthful Information Back then, Wasn't It?
This is All You Need To Read, because the rest is Pure Conjecture on Their Part, Hopes and Wishes.


We believe that the information contained in this issue brief provides the most systematic
“snapshot” of enrollment-related activity in the Marketplaces to date because the data for the
various metrics are counted using comparable definitions for data elements across states, and
between the SBMs and FFM. It is important to note that the SBM enrollment-related data
that are reported in this issue brief represent state data that have been reported to CMS,
and may differ from comparable data that have previously been publicly reported on SBM
websites or in media reports because that data may be based on different time periods or
metric definitions from those used in this report.

Department of Health and Human resourses
They work for Obama

And I Believe Rabbits Fly!

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posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 02:00 PM
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Yes, raise premiums.
Somehow that doesn't agree with the $2,500 average amount that a family will save per year with Obamacare.

I am not sure how you take a system and add a huge layer of bureaucracy and expect to save money.

I have asked that question before and the answer was that we will be putting all these young, previously uninsured people into the pool.
Well, they aren't jumping into the pool.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 02:23 PM
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The savings derive from preventative care as well as distributing costs over the larger pool including younger, healthier individuals.

The system before encouraged many to delay treatment and diagnosis of disease until it was either an emergency scenario or Medicare or Medicaid eligible. Early diagnosis and treatment is less expensive.

As for the coverage pool and it only consisting of 25% young adults thus far...statistical and economic analysis have clearly determined that is sufficient and would only result in less than 3% Premium increase in 2015, which ironically is less than the typical increase pre-ACA since ACA prevents arbitrary and egregious premium hikes.

All that said, Ideologues will feel the drive to dismiss the numbers and analysis as false and predict doom. They will do so while citing out of context reports at best and nonsense from Briebart et al. at worst. I expect no less and would be bored to tears arguing with emotionally driven conclusions. Aside from a botched roll-out, ACA is on track to do what it is designed to do, and contrary to the rhetoric, it will save the country money in the near term and even more so in the long-term.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 02:34 PM
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I think that you are correct with this statement:



ACA is on track to do what it is designed to do


I think that we are on track for a single payer system.
There are some that want that, some that don't, and then there will be the majority of people that will just wait to see what the single payer system will be like... and be unhappy with it. Kind of like the way Obamacare will be accepted until each group is affected negatively.
Just my prediction.
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posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 02:41 PM
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AngryCymraeg
I see that more people have drunk the anti-Obamacare crazy juice. Pitiful.


It tastes better than the kool aid.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 02:47 PM
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zeroBelief

Wow, look. Another thread with people bitching and moaning all over again.

Hmmm. Could someone suggest something might *possibly* come good out of all of this, without getting stoned to death?

Not to say the original implementation of Obamacare was good, or correct, or even feasible....but that we MIGHT end up with something better than what we originally had, regardless of what we have now ?

Hmmmm.....

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As a child, my parents always taught me that nothing good can begin with a lie




posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 02:59 PM
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I expect no less and would be bored to tears arguing with emotionally driven conclusions. Aside from a botched roll-out, ACA is on track to do what it is designed to do, and contrary to the rhetoric, it will save the country money in the near term and even more so in the long-term.

Please, You Really Need to Show Some Proof, Some Sort Of Facts To Back Up your Absurd Claims.
Here's an Idea, call your Supervisor over to your Cubicle there in the Basement of Obama Support, and get some new Talking Points!


As it becomes more and more obvious that insurance companies are going to take a bath as a result of the skewed pool of healthy enrollees vs. sick ones, there has been talk of bailing out the insurance companies in order to keep them from abandoning the unprofitable exchanges.
We needn't worry. The bailout is in the law itself - and President Obama has apparently forgotten to mention this fact to the American people.

Insurance Company's


Robert Laszewski—a prominent consultant to health insurance companies—recently wrote in a remarkably candid blog post that, while Obamacare is almost certain to cause insurance costs to skyrocket even higher than it already has, “insurers won’t be losing a lot of sleep over it.” How can this be? Because insurance companies won’t bear the cost of their own losses—at least not more than about a quarter of them. The other three-quarters will be borne by American taxpayers.



For some reason, President Obama hasn’t talked about this particular feature of his signature legislation. Indeed, it’s bad enough that Obamacare is projected by the Congressional Budget Office to funnel $1,071,000,000,000.00 (that’s $1.071 trillion) over the next decade (2014 to 2023) from American taxpayers, through Washington, to health insurance companies. It’s even worse that Obamacare is trying to coerce Americans into buying those same insurers’ product (although there are escape routes). It’s almost unbelievable that it will also subsidize those same insurers’ losses.

Bailing Out Health Insurers
That's The Tax Payer, are you one?


MONDAY, JANUARY 6, 2014
Will There Be an Obamacare Death Spiral in 2015? No
If the Obamacare health insurance exchanges are not able to get a good spread of risk––many more healthy people than sick––the long-term viability of the program will be placed in great jeopardy.

Given the early signs––far fewer people signing up than expected, enormous negative publicity about website problems, rate shock, big average deductibles, narrow provider networks, and a general growing dissatisfaction over the new health law––it is clear to me that this program is in very serious trouble.

But that trouble would not necessarily transfer to the health insurance plans participating on the state and federal health insurance exchanges.

Obamacare contains a $25 billion federal risk fund set up to benefit health insurance companies selling coverage on the state and federal health insurance exchanges as well as in the small group (less than 50 workers) market. The fund lasts only three years: 2014, 2015, and 2016.

The government's risk management program for the insurers has three parts (the "3Rs"):
A revenue neutral Risk Adjustment System designed to level adverse claim costs between health plans.
A Reinsurance Program that caps big claim costs for insurers (individual plans only).
A Risk Corridor Program that limits overall losses for insurers.
Of the $25 billion, $20 billion is earmarked for the Reinsurance Program and $5 billion goes to the U.S. treasury.

Health care policy and market place review
The American tax payer takes it in the Shorts for obama and his friends in the health care industry.
Makes you wonder, how much is obama getting in kick backs.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 03:01 PM
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Epic fail, agreed.

I was able to see the lack of economic sense that this plan made during the debates and townhall meetings. With the recent congressional hearings with Kathy Sebelus and company, coupled with the technical failures of the site, I am not sure how the administration believed that they would garner much support.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 05:35 PM
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butcherguy
reply to post by Indigo5
 

I think that you are correct with this statement:



ACA is on track to do what it is designed to do


I think that we are on track for a single payer system.
There are some that want that, some that don't, and then there will be the majority of people that will just wait to see what the single payer system will be like... and be unhappy with it. Kind of like the way Obamacare will be accepted until each group is affected negatively.
Just my prediction.
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Predictions are fair to make.

My own is that the hyperbolic proclamations of doom surrounding ACA will be reconciled by reality as they always are,

What happens when the sky does not fall upon Chicken Little?



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 05:40 PM
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Indigo5

butcherguy
reply to post by Indigo5
 

I think that you are correct with this statement:



ACA is on track to do what it is designed to do


I think that we are on track for a single payer system.
There are some that want that, some that don't, and then there will be the majority of people that will just wait to see what the single payer system will be like... and be unhappy with it. Kind of like the way Obamacare will be accepted until each group is affected negatively.
Just my prediction.
edit on b000000312014-01-15T14:35:29-06:0002America/ChicagoWed, 15 Jan 2014 14:35:29 -0600200000014 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)


Predictions are fair to make.

My own is that the hyperbolic proclamations of doom surrounding ACA will be reconciled by reality as they always are,

What happens when the sky does not fall upon Chicken Little?




You're like the guy in the shelled remains of a house saying "No bombs!"

The sky has fallen.

The potty has already hit the rotary oscillators.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 06:01 PM
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The sky fell when the government passed a law forcing me to buy a commercial product.

And you can spare me the tired old example of automobile insurance. I am not driving.

I am simply existing. For that act, I am forced to buy insurance.



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 06:31 PM
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Aisling

zeroBelief

Wow, look. Another thread with people bitching and moaning all over again.

Hmmm. Could someone suggest something might *possibly* come good out of all of this, without getting stoned to death?

Not to say the original implementation of Obamacare was good, or correct, or even feasible....but that we MIGHT end up with something better than what we originally had, regardless of what we have now ?

Hmmmm.....

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As a child, my parents always taught me that nothing good can begin with a lie




I hope you are open minded enough to see what I am about to say.

What has happened, especially in the light of what we had as a healthcare system, is an abomination. It is BAD. I agree 100%.

But, we now need to change what has happened. Regardless of how it happened, it is where we are today. With any luck, the government will actually do it's damned job, LISTEN to us citizens...and make it an EFFECTIVE plan for ALL citizens.

It began with a lie, but, it can get better......with any luck at all...and a governing body that would actually listen to use in the first place and not screw us in favor of their wallets EVEN FURTHER.....



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:03 PM
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guohua

That's Right, Obama figured his young mindless followers that had been initiated in the Public School system would be stumbling over each other to sign up for Obamacare.



You can't really expect anyone between 23 and 28 to be real excited about Obamacare.
They were 18 to 23, most right out of high school and if they were fortunate enough they were in college.
The big turnout of young people for Obama was because they were promised a huge change. They had no reason to believe what they were being promised wasn't true. They thought they were making history.

In a way they did.
There have never been more college graduates working for minimum wage in the history of human existence. And now, on top of trying to pay bills for school as well as all of the other expenses in life, they have a law saying they have to pay for more expensive healthcare or pay fines.

Used to be, kids were taking entry level jobs out of high school and college. Now, those jobs are going to people twice their age.

What are the kids supposed to think?



posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:16 PM
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Obamacare is genocide minus the violence. Lets call it a quiet genocide.
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posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 07:33 PM
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Isint it cute, insulting people that dont believe in made up numbers wow, and romneycare was invented by romney, copie and pasted by obama, but yea its obumercare right.

You guys know about facts right, not some news article or someone blog lol .

But yea keep up the emotional roller coaster while your country goes down the drain.

If you guys are lucky in 2018 you might get a third bush.
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posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 08:07 PM
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Who voted Obamacare into law?

Now that's the cute part.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 10:34 AM
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beezzer

Indigo5

butcherguy
reply to post by Indigo5
 

I think that you are correct with this statement:



ACA is on track to do what it is designed to do


I think that we are on track for a single payer system.
There are some that want that, some that don't, and then there will be the majority of people that will just wait to see what the single payer system will be like... and be unhappy with it. Kind of like the way Obamacare will be accepted until each group is affected negatively.
Just my prediction.
edit on b000000312014-01-15T14:35:29-06:0002America/ChicagoWed, 15 Jan 2014 14:35:29 -0600200000014 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)


Predictions are fair to make.

My own is that the hyperbolic proclamations of doom surrounding ACA will be reconciled by reality as they always are,

What happens when the sky does not fall upon Chicken Little?




You're like the guy in the shelled remains of a house saying "No bombs!"

The sky has fallen.

The potty has already hit the rotary oscillators.


And what color is that falling sky in your world?

Mass graves with women and children were found in South Sudan last week...
A quarter million people have abandoned their lives and homes and fled Syria, another 150,000 men, women and children have been killed.

The list goes on and on...

Or look at it another way...roughly 30 children are diagnosed with cancer every day in the United States and 5 of them die in the USA each and every day.

And then some percentage of uninsured Americans got health insurance coverage, taking the country a small step closer to the other 98% of the developed nations on the planet!...And the Sky is falling???

I honestly don't know how to help that kind of thinking.

The brain has plasticity. More so with fear driven cognition. An evolutionary design so that we quickly learn to react to that panther lurking in the woods. It means that literally our brains physical structures create and re-enforces neuro-pathways that override rational thought and prioritizes immediate reaction over "thinking". Our brains literally create physical ruts that are difficult to re-train. I am an optimist and believe in peoples ability to "own" their own "thinking"...I believe in the capacity of self awareness and original, objective thought...even small revelations are rewarding.

Good luck and best wishes in that journey.



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