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Hello mate, cheers for the story about your dream - I've had many strange dreams not too far from what you describe.
My first instinct is to say that you experienced a lucid dream but it sounds like an immensely realistic one. I've had phantom pains and such in
dreams; so I assume the whole spectrum of sensation is virtually possible within a dream. I've had 'lucid dreams' of various sorts; some I feel
conscious at the time and it feels as real as this reality, but when I wake up my memory goes very quickly.
In others I seem to be semi-conscious but when I wake up I remember great amounts - and these usually involve dreams that play out like another life
and contain sequence/order, consistent characters, consistent cities I've never seen before and so forth. It can confuse me to an extent sometimes.
In regards to the mechanisms and possible 'meaning' behind this there's a few general paradigms you'll see round here, and anywhere else probably. But
it often depends on whether someone believes in a 'soul', or believes consciousness/the complete human experience is the complete product of the
Some believe all dreams are subconscious manifestations and nothing more. Others believe the dream world is an astral realm as real as ours, for the
soul; and can be shared and occupied or invaded. Others believe it is your 'soul' or source of consciousness using the brain to create virtual
realities at will. Others believe they are completely seperate yet mutually real universes that you either live in or can temporarily access.
I'm an agnostic but I do believe in the 'soul'. A ghost in the shell if you like. I am the 'thing' operating through this body, of which by its very
virtue of existence 'creates' the universe I perceive during everyday reality. The human is partly a robot, and hence can be programmed and influenced
by what's stored in the brain and what behaviour becomes conditioned and so forth.
Because of this, I believe dreaming can become a function of the physical mind, the 'soul' or potentially 'something' else.
A true lucid dream is the 'soul' using the brain at its will, since you have complete control of your virtual reality. The subconscious programming of
the brain can never be discounted however; because the ghost is working THROUGH the machine and hence is influencable by the machine - which creates
its own 'mind' through subconscious processes and existing genetic information.
But it's impossible to really answer the complete mystery of dreams.
How does the brain organise a virtual reality in such a way, and what perceives this reality? In its normal daily functioning; the brain depends on
all the senses to provide the 'source' information that needs to be decoded into a meaningful form (for you). But when you are asleep, what is the
brain doing? Is it creating artificial 'sense data' for the dream it wants to make and then decoding that data itself while also experiencing the
dream itself? How does it do that?
Or is it creating the dream in its meaningful form straight away? But then how are realistic sensations of touch achieved? How much of the brain is
actually active during all types of dreams? Does a lucid dream create different/significantly stronger brain activity or signals than a normal dream?
How can a lucid dream really happen? It is nothing short of a perfect virtual reality...
I once had a weird encounter that really changed my more 'skeptical' stance on dreaming. I am still quite skeptical, but I'm more willing to hear out
ideas I would not have before. It's a long story but involved me waking up in my bed and being SURE I was awake. I have always had crazy realistic
dreams but I've always known when I wake up and am back in my room. I quickly realised something wasn't right; the room was somewhat 'misty' and
surreal, but I was SURE I was awake and this wasnt a dream or even a lucid one. Then I felt the most ridiculous fear I have felt in my life. I've seen
and been in some messed up situations in reality, including where my life has been at direct risk - and it DOES NOT compare to this.
I shot my vision to my doorway and there was this black creature taking up the whole entrance. I say creature but it wasnt anything Earthly; it was
like the grim reaper but with no face; a floating hooded like entity (though not actually hooded). When I saw this 'entity' I basically had a heart
attack because I was so confidently conscious of the event. It (I originally called it a Shadow Demon for lack of better words) then began floating
towards my bed and I couldn't move or scream for the life of me. I honestly believed I would die at that point, and remember thinking 'just do this
The 'negativeness' coming off this thing was ridiculous, the fear and sense of evil literally HURT with each passing moment as it approached. It
proceeded to slowly float past my bed, RIGHT NEXT to me and whispers something in an incomprehensible language; that reminded me of a snake in some
sense. It also sounded like voices over-layed on eachother but saying the same thing.
It then disappeared out the window and I remember just closing my eyes and trying to comprehend wtf just happened - and I fell asleep, just like that
- boom! I encountered this thing again but this time DEFINITELY in a dream; we were in a weird, distorted and unreal feeling version of a location I
know. We literally 'fought', but it was so strange that I can hardly remember it at all, but I vividly remember the experience in my room. I can
simply remember it chasing me through sections and I had to figure out something. It was very, very bizarre but I do remember that I 'won' - whatever
A week or so after this 'event' I was having a semi-conscious dream and this 'howling demon' INTERUPTED my dream (at least from the context of the
dream at the time). Originally it was like a ferocious beast ripping through the 'cloth' of my dream and bellowing this horrendous scream, and only
when it started talking did it take a 'demon' form - it looked like a black dragon-like humanoid, if that makes sense? I say demon because it was
menacing in its nature within my dream.
It talked to me in a sneering/smug/patronising sort of manner and I remember it distinctly saying 'look, look! I can control your dream!' and it then
proceeded to apparently manifest and destroy people in my dream, outside of my semi-conscious control. I also remember it changing the environment and
such. I wish I kept a better memory of that dream but I almost forgot it all when I woke up.
Those two dreams really made me stop and think at the time. I still don't know if there's anything more to all these different types of dream
phenomena and so forth. What did freak me out slightly was when I went and did some research after my dreams and found a whole, thriving community
based on these experiences and what they call the 'shadow people'. I was shocked how many people had an almost identical experience to mine. The
medical explaination is 'sleep paralysis'. It doesn't really go much further in terms of explaination than that lol.
There are many questions that arise in regards to dreaming. I think we only have a fractional understanding of the whole range of mechanisms and
processes behind dreams. I think they are fascinating none the less
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