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The JFK Assassination----NASA and USAEC Roles-----50 Years is long Enough

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posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 07:45 AM
Oh god, what a bunch of nonsense!

Stop the

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 07:46 AM

Oh god, what a bunch of nonsense!

Stop the

Hush, don't bring common sense into it! I'm waiting to see who he blames next.

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 07:53 AM
reply to post by MagnumOpus

Well of course the German scientists coming to America and joining NASA is a "big deal". One of the biggest, as it turned out. And very likely, in all cases, they joined it willingly and happily. By the time the Second World War was into the early 1940s everyone in high positions in Germany knew Hitler was a madman, and they probably were happy they survived the guys war and then got to play with more money and more prestige. They conquered space, for goddesses sake!, and how often does that happen? So you're saying a Mason was in command of their paperwork. Alright. Cool.
edit on 12-1-2014 by Aleister because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 08:49 AM
Now we can get to the heart of the Matters between the Masons and the Hitler NAZIs. JFK, because JFK's dad was stationed in England by FDR, and JFK traveled Europe and got to see the run up for the Germany war and knew the Mason issues and the Windsors were Germans. imho

But, history is often written by the victors and they tend to leave out important things. The Mason factors in WWII are hidden in the US, but in Germany they were well exposed by Hitler.

From this old film of Hitler below, we see the War with Hitler came from Churchill, an English Mason.

If one watches the Hitler Symbolism it matches lots of the Mason's symbolism. Hitler's hat had the Eagle with Wing's spread which is the Mason sign for God. But Hitler was called The Father, and Germany was the Fatherland. And that pitted Hitler against the Masons, because Jesus called his lord as Abba, or Father, that was more correct than the Masons version.

The Mason's "Hiram Abiff" theme (as in Abba) is all about loosing the history that Jesus called his lord Father, and as such the Catholics banned Masons and Masons tended to dislike Catholic's views and JFK. imho Hitler called himself Father and held the Eagle sign on his hat as an affront to the Masons. imho

Even when one gets to the SS symbol of Skull and Bones, it matches the Yale Skull and Bone symbolism, which sprang from Southern Germany at the same time as the Masons.

The real story is the Second World War was one between English Windsor Masons/Churchill ideas and Hitler's.

So, in the US in WWII Mason Hoover liked to use the Mafia, which was spawned in Germany to terrorize the Italian Catholics, as the Mafia, especially the Jewish Mafia, were people that hunted the NAZIs at ports and tossed them into the Rivers dead, and no questions ask by Hoover. Hoover kept up this Mason deal by telling all his agents there was no Mafia in the JFK hit and only LHO is to be the cause for JFK's death. Hoover's Mafia good old boys were Meyer Lansky and Jack Ruby, because they hated NAZI and Catholics. imho

Hoover also used lots of Agents from LDS, which was basically a religious order based on Masons in the US. LDS also has the same signs, methods, and secrecy of the Masons. The FBI's LDS agents would follow Mason Hoover's commands. imho

Such associations are why the JFK assassination has been kept hidden for 50 years, along with the issues of Masons involved as central figures in the War with Hitler. imho And this tends to follow the Albert Pike theme for wars, as part of his insurrections to gain power for the Masons.

edit on 12-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: Masons at the root of WWII cause and effect imho

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 09:09 AM
There is a lot more to the story, but the Bavarian History is important.

More of the WWII history is also important and how the British hid the Mason issues is a part of WWII History


Hitler Vs Masons Story


'About two-thirds of the brethren belonged to the three oldest, always Christian-oriented and at that time strongly nationalistic Grand Lodges founded in the 18th century which were called 'Old Prussian' because they were founded and had their seats in Berlin. They never initiated 'non Christians', that is, Jews.'

This faction was Pro-Nazi. It contained the captains of industry, commerce and finance, Royalty and leading citizens who backed Hitler. Many of these men were high-ranking members of the Nazi Party.


The Prussian Lodges were what tied the Western powers to Nazi Germany. This is why Freemasons like Henry Ford aided Hitler.


One of the most infamous murders of WW2 was of Prince George, Duke of Kent.

The Duke was a virulent Nazi supporter. In 1939, he was elected Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge of England.

In 1941, Prince George and the Duke of Hamilton conducted a secret meeting with Rudolf Hess in Scotland in an attempt to negotiate a peace treaty between the rival powers. The British government arrested Hess and put him in prison for the rest of his life.

The repercussions for Prince George were even more severe. Six months after this meeting, his plane was shot down.

Sir Anthony Blunt claims that the Prince was murdered on the orders of Illuminati-Gofer Winston Churchill.

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 09:29 AM
reply to post by MagnumOpus

Cripes, where to even start? Ok, first things first. Churchill was not a member of the British Government at the start of the Second World War. Two seconds on Google would have told you that.
Secondly Hitler's title was Fuhrer, not father. Fuhrer means 'Leader' in German. Again, two seconds on Google would have told you that.
Then there's your.... fascinating.... claim that the Mafia originated in Germany. Seriously?
Here's something to help you. Try using it.

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 02:49 PM
The water has been muddied by so many theories and conspiracies now. That if the truth was told it be disappear into obscurity.

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 06:07 PM
Some nice photos of the NAZI's Mason like symbolisms:

NAZI Mason Symbolism

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 07:01 PM
You have to admire MagnumOpus' undaunted stoicism. He just keeps pumping out the crazy, completely ignoring criticism or even fact-checking. He's like the Jack Chick of ATS.

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 09:07 PM
Anyone can easily find that Churchill had an extensive run in Government before WWII, and suffered set-backs because of Neviille Chamberlain. Churchill got back into prominence because of his warning of Hitler's advances and he then replaced Chamberlain.

And now the best part of the story begins and the old history is again important.

Interestingly, Churchill did not die until 1965, at age 90, some two years after JFK.


Winston Churchill Bio


First Lord of the Admiralty
In office
3 September 1939 – 11 May 1940
Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain
Preceded by The Earl Stanhope
Succeeded by A.V. Alexander
In office
24 October 1911 – 25 May 1915
Prime Minister H. H. Asquith
Preceded by Reginald McKenna
Succeeded by Arthur Balfour
Chancellor of the Exchequer
In office
6 November 1924 – 4 June 1929
Prime Minister Stanley Baldwin
Preceded by Philip Snowden
Succeeded by Philip Snowden
Secretary of State for the Colonies
In office
13 February 1921 – 19 October 1922
Prime Minister David Lloyd George
Preceded by The Viscount Milner
Succeeded by The Duke of Devonshire
Secretary of State for Air
In office
10 January 1919 – 13 February 1921
Prime Minister David Lloyd George
Preceded by The Viscount Weir
Succeeded by Frederick Edward Guest
Minister of Munitions
In office
17 July 1917 – 10 January 1919
Prime Minister David Lloyd George
Preceded by Christopher Addison
Succeeded by The Lord Inverforth
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
In office
25 May 1915 – 25 November 1915
Prime Minister H. H. Asquith
Preceded by Edwin Samuel Montagu
Succeeded by Herbert Samuel
Home Secretary
In office
19 February 1910 – 24 October 1911
Prime Minister H. H. Asquith
Preceded by Herbert Gladstone
Succeeded by Reginald McKenna
Personal details

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 09:29 PM

NASA? Seriously?

Kennedy wanted us to go to the Moon, so why would people who were involved with his murder get promoted at NASA?

Oh, wait, according to your citation, it wasn't even people involved with his death. It was some people Oswald happened to work with. And your citation is from a book by wacky theory-generator Jim Garrison.

This is the kind of junk that always bedevils real conspiracy investigation. 50 years from now, people will be muddying the waters by saying that Mohammed Atta was connected to the Department of Transportation.

The basis of the thread are facts... perhaps the OP has not written it down in bullet point format but OP is studying the "factions within factions" operating on secret handshakes and secret agendas.

It is well understood that when LHO returned to the USA he was looking for work and he was getting lots of help from his handlers to find work. One of those potential jobs was with NASA. Another at Love Field. Another at the TSBD.

The OP wants to tie together LHO + NASA + Masonry. I do not see why there is a problem with it, especially, when these connections are documented facts, such as:
the list of Masonic Astronauts, LHO's job search activities with regard to NASA, the connections that reveal other connections going back to Paperclip.

I expect the Masonic Defense force to face these facts and not attack the OP while keeping in mind that "all Masons are in on it" is a wrong type of attitude to have in this thread. There are bad Masons, they operate as "factions within factions".

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 09:35 PM
closeup of the ring.

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 09:37 PM
The epic story of the Masons centers around Churchill saving the English from certain death, as they vowed to fight Hitler to the death and one can see Hitler being constantly upset that Churchill would not give way. Hitler even had Rudolf Hess, or perhaps Hess went on his own, try to negotiate a deal in Scotland, and that information was so hot with Mason information that Britain and Churchill had Hess locked up until death. imho

The hate of the Masons toward the Kennedy's actually began with Joe Kennedy as British Ambassador, as Joe Kennedy told the US felt England would not survive the first month of the Hitler invasion. So, next thing one sees is Mason Churchill replaces Chamberlain, and then Churchill gets his sources in the US to connect him with FBI's Mason Hoover. This began a whole Mason oriented deal process.

Next, Mason Hoover speaks to Mason FDR, and FDR tells that the FBI and British intelligence needed to become extremely close. This then is a Major Part for why Louis Bloomfield of British Intelligence gets involved with Hoover and DISC. Then these highly secretive Mason deals get FDR and Land-lease deals for the US for war loans to England. FDR gives the British 50 destroyers to run war supplies to England. imho Mason Hoover trusts Louis Bloomfield to keep these huge Mason type plotting secrets for Churchill, et al.

Soon enough Churchill has FDR pull Joe Kennedy out of England as US Ambassador. Perhaps Joe's Boston roots were too recent a memory for the English, plus Joe kept the Royalist bankers from playing games with the stock markets to reap huge profits. Same deal happened with the issues of Colonial Script and England forcing drying up the money supply in the Colonies that caused the War of Independence. Bostonian Joe Kennedy was not very appreciative of the Royalist games for doing banking business in the US.

It was that lack of support for England and Churchill by Joe Kennedy that set up the basic English Mason dislike for Joe Kennedy, and that transferred to JFK when JFK applied the same knowledge to England as Joe and recounted to JFK speaking of these old Secret Society deals of FDR, Hoover, and Churchill because Joe Kennedy was right in the middle of that fight with English Masons. imho

So, history of the bad blood of the Kennedys actually begins in the run up of WWII with Britain and Hitler. So, when we get to the time of the 1960 election and this old bad blood is still in effect, Hoover forces the issues with JFK to get Mason LBJ onto the Kennedy ticket. That came with the knowledge that if JFK did the same thing as Joe with Britain, that JFK would get killed and LBJ put in his place. LBJ bet on an almost certainty, because JFK was a chip off the old Joe Kennedy problems with the Masons when he was Ambassador to England.

In the JFK Presidency, all this bad blood between the Kennedys and the Masons again surged to kill JFK, or Joe's kid, and later another of Joe's kids, RFK. The Masons didn't want a Kennedy Dynasty, and the core group was Churchill, Hoover, Murchison, et al.

The JFK speech to the press that most call the "Secret Society Speech" offended these old sores that involved Mason Churchill, Mason Hoover, Mason Clint Murchison, Mason George Mandel, and the British Intelligence agent Louis Bloomfield that was Hoover/DISC/British Intelligence/PERMINDEX related, that then determined that all had to kill JFK, else again the British were going down the tube. imho

Because RFK knew much of this information, this is why he asked LBJ why LBJ had his brother killed.

This is what history presents of the major pre-WWII incident that caused the Masons to hate JFK. It fermented into the Mason Hoover alliances with Mason Murchison down in Texas and his rich good ole boy network with HL Hunt, General Walker, John Birch extremists, et al. This included the Mason George Wallace at that point connecting with General Walker, HL Hunt on Civil Rights issues that Mason Hoover termed as Communist, and all assigned that JFK was Communist.

It only got worse from there. imho Even the issue of "Umbrella Man", as seen in Dealy Plaza, when the shooting began, as being Neviille Chamberlain linked back to these hard times with England that ushered in Churchill. imho And the whole JFK shooting takes place in a Mason historic area in Dallas.

edit on 12-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: The History makes the JFK hit less of a mystery and more of a Conspiracy about how Dallas became the City of Hate

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 10:03 PM
This is a book that speaks to the extensive Mason Hoover relationship with Mason Murchison in Texas and how Murchison took good care of Hoover with all kinds of bribes, oil wells, retreats at Del Mar race track, and even their relationship with Communist chaser Senator McCarthy, who worked with RFK for a time.

What was certain, was that this gang feared what RFK could do if elected President and able to complete the investigation on the JFK hit, as Hoover was pushed out of the way. imho

Reference text to Hoover Dallas Connections

edit on 12-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: The Degree of Certainty of what RFK knew and why the Used Lincolns funeral material for JFK's funeral

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 10:07 PM
it doesn't get much more telling than this with the Masons bragging of their killing JFK in Dallas: imho


Dealy Plaza first Mason Temple in Dallas

Dealey Plaza is historically known as the site of the first Masonic temple in Dallas (now razed), and there is a marker attesting to this fact in the plaza.

edit on 12-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: The City of Hate's foundations tell the story

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 10:14 PM
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

BTW---excellent photo enhancement!!

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 10:28 PM


Dealy was 33 mason


DEALEY, GEORGE BANNERMAN (1859–1946). George Bannerman (G. B.) Dealey, publisher and civic planner, was born on September 18, 1859, in Manchester, England, to George and Mary Ann (Nellins) Dealey. In the mid-1860s the family moved to Liverpool, where he began his schooling and worked as a grocer's apprentice.


He helped establish Southern Methodist University and was instrumental in obtaining the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas for the city.


Dealey was a Thirty-third-degree Scottish Rite Mason, Knight Templar, Shriner, and member of the Red Cross of Constantine.

edit on 12-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: Guess where Bush-43 is church member----HP UMC on the campus of SMU !

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 10:52 PM
The Zapruder film.

Was Zapruder a Mason too?

posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 11:25 PM

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

BTW---excellent photo enhancement!!

Not mine, belongs to the source which is embedded in the image.

Great thread so far MagnumOpus. Not a lot of people are familiar with how DISC fits with JFK.

posted on Jan, 13 2014 @ 01:09 AM
reply to post by MagnumOpus

And Churchill was still out of office and out of the Government when war was declared in 1939. So your claims are still bogus. Oh and I note that you seem to have glossed over my other facts that prove you wrong. Again.

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