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Abomination Of Desolation:(the Gay Marriage Issue)

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posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by an3rkist

Originally posted by Graystar
I love how you emphaticaly impliy a constitutional right in the case of Homosexuality. Perhaps your successors can emphaticaly imply a constutional right for pedifiles


I thought of this as I was writing it, and must admit that that's one point I cannot argue with. I don't claim to know all the answers. I do, however, still think I am right concerning this subject.

[edit on 27-11-2004 by an3rkist]


Everyone wants to paint the homosexual life stle as one of happiness, but those who are happy as a homosexual are the exception and few. you will find them to be the most depraved or new converts. everyone else in between is on their death bed. your not doing them any favor by supporting them.

I would suggest to you to go out and involve your self in the gay circle. Come back to me and tell me about the freedom and happiness, or come back to me and describe the broken, disallusioned, and utter despair that really results from the gay life stle!




posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 04:23 AM
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Originally posted by Graystar

Originally posted by an3rkist

Originally posted by Graystar
I love how you emphaticaly impliy a constitutional right in the case of Homosexuality. Perhaps your successors can emphaticaly imply a constutional right for pedifiles


I thought of this as I was writing it, and must admit that that's one point I cannot argue with. I don't claim to know all the answers. I do, however, still think I am right concerning this subject.

[edit on 27-11-2004 by an3rkist]


Everyone wants to paint the homosexual life stle as one of happiness, but those who are happy as a homosexual are the exception and few. you will find them to be the most depraved or new converts. everyone else in between is on their death bed. your not doing them any favor by supporting them.

I would suggest to you to go out and involve your self in the gay circle. Come back to me and tell me about the freedom and happiness, or come back to me and describe the broken, disallusioned, and utter despair that really results from the gay life stle!


It sounds to me as if you're one of those people that make homosexuals lives so bad. (Just an assumption, I could be wrong) But I think it's pretty obvious that the reason these people's lives' are so bad is because of the people who opress them and make their lives miserable by trying to deny them basic human rights.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 04:29 AM
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Originally posted by an3rkist

Originally posted by Graystar

Originally posted by an3rkist

Originally posted by Graystar
I love how you emphaticaly impliy a constitutional right in the case of Homosexuality. Perhaps your successors can emphaticaly imply a constutional right for pedifiles


I thought of this as I was writing it, and must admit that that's one point I cannot argue with. I don't claim to know all the answers. I do, however, still think I am right concerning this subject.

[edit on 27-11-2004 by an3rkist]


Everyone wants to paint the homosexual life stle as one of happiness, but those who are happy as a homosexual are the exception and few. you will find them to be the most depraved or new converts. everyone else in between is on their death bed. your not doing them any favor by supporting them.

I would suggest to you to go out and involve your self in the gay circle. Come back to me and tell me about the freedom and happiness, or come back to me and describe the broken, disallusioned, and utter despair that really results from the gay life stle!


It sounds to me as if you're one of those people that make homosexuals lives so bad. (Just an assumption, I could be wrong) But I think it's pretty obvious that the reason these people's lives' are so bad is because of the people who opress them and make their lives miserable by trying to deny them basic human rights.


You just do't get it do you. Im not opressing anyone. my voice, my oppinion is just as valid as those on the gay side. If you wish to live that way go ahead but you will see, wether you feel oppressed or not that the end result will be the same as what I've described.

giving rights won't change the aids problem or addiction problem or suicide problem or drinking problem or going from partner to partner problem. its an endless vicious circle of destruction Sound Happy



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 04:33 AM
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Originally posted by Graystar

giving rights won't change the aids problem or addiction problem or suicide problem or drinking problem or going from partner to partner problem. its an endless vicious circle of destruction Sound Happy


Ah, yes. My biggest pet peeve with you anti-homosexuals. You speak of these things as if only homosexuals have these problems. Deny ignorance! Especially with AIDs! People constantly talk as if promiscuity and AIDs are strictly homosexuals problems, when in fact heterosexual people suffer the same problems!

[edit on 27-11-2004 by an3rkist]



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by an3rkist
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Ah, yes. My biggest pet peeve with you anti-homosexuals. You speak of these things as if only homosexuals have these problems. Deny ignorance! Especially with AIDs! People constantly talk as if promiscuity and AIDs are strictly homosexuals problems, when in fact heterosexual people suffer the same problems!

[edit on 27-11-2004 by an3rkist]


Dont put words in my mouth or say I am Anti homosexual. someone who is truely anti Homosexual promotes the lifestyle. Why? because they want them all to die! and I never said promiscuity was soley a gay issue your just scanning my words. Because I said it is not unlike other sexualy permissive lifestles. Certainly they will yield the same result.

But incase you haven't noticed human fesus is unsanitary and you cannot make any argument that having anal sex could ever be healthy or good or normal Its a shame that I cant just give you the statistics on rectal cancer or other intestinal or urinary related diseases. but lets just pretend that the relationship between two men or women is just a fairy tale story and that this lifestyle really isn't more harmful or destructive shall we?



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by Graystar

But incase you haven't noticed human fesus is unsanitary and you cannot make any argument that having anal sex could ever be healthy or good or normal Its a shame that I cant just give you the statistics on rectal cancer or other intestinal or urinary related diseases. but lets just pretend that the relationship between two men or women is just a fairy tale story and that this lifestyle really isn't more harmful or destructive shall we?


Again, I have to point out the fact that you list the term "anal sex" as if only homosexuals do it.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 04:55 AM
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I just thought of something I should have thought of from the start. This thread is all about whether to allow them to marry or not. Did you think that maybe if you let them get married, they will start devoting themselves to one partner, as you scolded them for not doing?



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 04:56 AM
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Originally posted by an3rkist
[Again, I have to point out the fact that you list the term "anal sex" as if only homosexuals do it.


I just said other life stles would yield the same result. but you can't argue that Gay men engage in this type of activity less than others- can you?

Stop reading in to what I'm saying a understand what s really being said



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 04:59 AM
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Originally posted by Graystar

Originally posted by an3rkist
[Again, I have to point out the fact that you list the term "anal sex" as if only homosexuals do it.


I just said other life stles would yield the same result. but you can't argue that Gay men engage in this type of activity less than others- can you?



I really wouldn't know.




You're probably right, I'm not entirely sure how that's relevant, though.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 05:04 AM
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@Graystar:
No matter where you stand on this issue one fact remains:

Except for the high profile Homophobic's that we hear about and are exposed to through our politicaly correct media, this life style, not unlike other hate-filled lifestles, is littered with untold millions of broken, disllusioned, and dying followers. But no body wants to talk about that. what we want to talk about, or rather have forced upon us, is this imaginary belief in a constutional right to happines whithout consequences. Call it what ever you want, but Constutional is Laughable.

You can dress up the Homophobes life style with all the glitz and glamour you want, but what you will find at the end of its rainbow is onlya black hole of darkness, addiction, hopelessness, depression, dispair, and ultimately death.

Anyone who condones this Hate filled life style does not understand it and does not really care about these people.

[edit on 27-11-2004 by I_AM_that_I_AM]



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 05:08 AM
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@Graystar:

Everyone wants to paint the homophobic life stle as one of happiness, but those who are happy as a homophobic are the exception and few. you will find them to be the most depraved or new converts. everyone else in between is on their death bed. your not doing them any favor by supporting them.

I would suggest to you to go out and involve your self in the Homophobic circle. Come back to me and tell me about the freedom and happiness, or come back to me and describe the broken, disallusioned, and utter despair that really results from their hate filled life style!


[edit on 27-11-2004 by I_AM_that_I_AM]



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by crusaderwell as the bible says they should be put to death. (If they are caught sleeping together) But to put it nicely No! I don't really think that people should go and shoot gays rampantly. But maybe if Government pass laws, banning this. It will be fine.


Really, so you don't belive that people should go around rampantly killing gays, just systematically, well I'm glad we cleard that up.


Originally posted by crusaderBesides there are still countries worldwide that bans sodomy, and it's a crime. so why not america:? or the western world?



Yes, indeed why dont' we make everything illegal that everybody else has illegal. After all those women don't really need to be gong around with out covering everyin of their bodies and under the escort of a male relative, now do they?[/sarcasm]

Originally posted by crusader and besides Religious freedom, doesn't mean practicisng Homosexuality, it does not. Religious liberty_ To practise your Christian faith without, fear, tryanny, oppression,etc, without Govt interference or persecution from the state


Ah, you see reason at last. I'm glad to see that you too realize that only Christians are capable of believing anything. All those other people who claim to have religion should just be shot. [/sarcasm]

No, seriously, I'm glad that you support Christians right to practice their beliefs, such as the belief that their is nothing wrong with being gay.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 05:33 AM
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Originally posted by I_AM_that_I_AM
@Graystar:

Everyone wants to paint the homophobic life stle as one of happiness, but those who are happy as a homophobic are the exception and few. you will find them to be the most depraved or new converts. everyone else in between is on their death bed. your not doing them any favor by supporting them.

I would suggest to you to go out and involve your self in the Homophobic circle. Come back to me and tell me about the freedom and happiness, or come back to me and describe the broken, disallusioned, and utter despair that really results from their hate filled life style!


[edit on 27-11-2004 by I_AM_that_I_AM]

Obviously we sit on polar opposite sides. but aside from just changing a few words in my text, you give no evidence that this life style would yield any thing other than what I said


the only place you will find a happily ever after for promicuity is in a porno!



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
How accurate the bible has foretold these things, even to the point of how those that would promote this lifestyle would not want to "retain GOD in their knowledge".
Doubting what the bible has said and calling it erroneous. These are the people that would promote this unnatural lifestyle.


Yes, people like you, one of those who"retain GOD in their knowledge" even as you serve the anti-Christ were indeed fore told by GOD. doubting what the bible actually said and then twisting is falsely to match what you want it to believe is heresy!



Originally posted by Lastday ProphetThe GOD/Christian haters.


Yes, followers of the AntiChrist, suchas your self are GDo and Christian haters. As much as you and they would like to discount the bible and what is has to say, there will be no excuses heard when you stand before GOD.
Your denials and deceptions will be meaningless, You will be cast into the LAKE, whether you accept it or not. "IT WILL HAPPEN" so be prepared!
Nothing you can say or do will "EVER" change this "FACT" You are only decieving yourself Prophet.


Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
Help yourselves sin "FREELY" but I guarentee you, One Day You Will Pay A Price. You can laugh, make jokes and fun. When that day comes, it will not be a JOKE or LAUGHING matter. They too laughed at Noah while he was building the Ark, so it is nothing new, they too were wrong, but when they found out how wrong they were it was too late. Let not the same happen unto you, for you have been warned.


As have heretics like yourself, doesn't seem to stop you now does it, HERETIC?


Originally posted by Lastday ProphetAgain, let me stress, I do not hate Gays, in fact I would hope that they would repent, I have prayed with many that repented, and would hope that none wind up in the LAKE.


As I hope for you.


Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
I did not write the bible, but only post what is written. GOD has the final say.

But that's jsut it, you aren't posting what is written but what you want it to say. It doesn't say that homosexuality(acts or otherwise) are/is a sin. You jstu want it too so you post your blasphemis heresie. I implore you to stop for the sake of your own soul. Come back to God and Christ and leave Satan behind.


Originally posted by Lastday ProphetWhat Part Don't You Understand ?

The part where it says anything about gays?
So, pLease stop blaspheming and trying to use our holy texts to excuse your vile heresies. I pray that you find God and Christ and come back to the light.


[edit on 27-11-2004 by I_AM_that_I_AM]



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by Graystar


[edit on 27-11-2004 by I_AM_that_I_AM]


Obviously we sit on polar opposite sides. but aside from just changing a few words in my text, you give no evidence that this life style would yield any thing other than what I said


the only place you will find a happily ever after for promicuity is in a porno!
A few things:
1)NOt being a mod, how the heck could/did I edit your post?

2)And you won't find many "happily ever afters" ever. Life (for better or worse)is struggle and change and growth because of it.

3)Gay=/=promiscuity, any mor than straight does, straight people however are encouraged to marry and settle down with one preson, whats wrong witha gay person doing this?
They aren't being promiscuous any more. Nor are they anymore likely to that a straight couple.

4)If you really belive anything that you just said then, why aren't you out there argueing/lobbying for adultery to be made illegal?



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by I_AM_that_I_AM

A few things:

1)NOt being a mod, how the heck could/did I edit your post?

you didn't edit it you just removed the quote commands


2)And you won't find many "happily ever afters" ever. Life (for better or worse)is struggle and change and growth because of it.

What is this mess?


3)Gay=/=promiscuity, any mor than straight does, straight people however are encouraged to marry and settle down with one preson, whats wrong witha gay person doing this?
They aren't being promiscuous any more. Nor are they anymore likely to that a straight couple.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious- that there is promicuity in the straight community! that does not make homosexual parners moraly equvilant to heterosexual married couples.


4)If you really belive anything that you just said then, why aren't you out there argueing/lobbying for adultery to be made illegal?

maybe that's because noone who commits adultry is running a round claiming to have a constituional right to do so!



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 08:48 AM
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[edit on 27-11-2004 by an3rkist]

Everyone wants to paint the homosexual life stle as one of happiness, but those who are happy as a homosexual are the exception and few. you will find them to be the most depraved or new converts. everyone else in between is on their death bed. your not doing them any favor by supporting them.

I would suggest to you to go out and involve your self in the gay circle. Come back to me and tell me about the freedom and happiness, or come back to me and describe the broken, disallusioned, and utter despair that really results from the gay life stle!


And even if your rather extreme example was true, the fact that there are some who manage it validates that persons right to their lifestyle and how right this is for them. Whether positive or negative is probably more indicative of the individuals outlook and approach than any inherant aspect of being gay. Interesting that you play up the promiscuity and unstable nature of some gay people but object to any moves to formalise and stabilise such things by way of civil union/marriage. Rather like you're call for a religio/political ideaology, which of course no one can be expected to fully comply with (except for homos), you seem to cherry pick examples depending on how suitable/convenient they are for you. You can't have it both ways lead by example or leave others to their own lives. God will deal with gays as God sees fit, it's not your job.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by ubermunche

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And even if your rather extreme example was true, the fact that there are some who manage it validates that persons right to their lifestyle and how right this is for them. Whether positive or negative is probably more indicative of the individuals outlook and approach than any inherant aspect of being gay. Interesting that you play up the promiscuity and unstable nature of some gay people but object to any moves to formalise and stabilise such things by way of civil union/marriage. Rather like you're call for a religio/political ideaology, which of course no one can be expected to fully comply with (except for homos), you seem to cherry pick examples depending on how suitable/convenient they are for you. You can't have it both ways lead by example or leave others to their own lives. God will deal with gays as God sees fit, it's not your job.


can you give me one example of a gay person who died of just old age?
I don't think you can and I don't think that is extreme!



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 11:55 AM
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to remove this topic out of the domain of generalizations, and take it on a case-by-case basis?

Maybe there is ONE happy homosexual couple.

Maybe there is ONE homosexual who just happens to die of natural causes and old age.

Maybe there is ONE homosexual who rears children successfully and they find their own way.

Maybe there is ONE homosexual or transsexual or cross-dresser or whatever, who discovers MEANING in this experience.

Maybe the rest of us ought to just shut-TF-UP.




posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 12:07 PM
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Quentin Crisp, Larry Grayson, Frankie Howard, (very camp Brit celebrities), Raymond Burr, about half a dozen older gay guys I knew throughout the years, all natural causes, all old, all off the top of my head and probably hundreds more if I thought about it. What an assinine question. Name me one redneck who didn't die of cyrhossis of the liver!




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