Originally posted by crusader
To all the detractors and sick people commenting on this thread. heres' the commandment go on and look it up in your bible,(if you have one) Maybe
you don't anyway. Leviticus 18: 22 `` thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. also in Deuteronomy 23: 117. `` there
shall be no whore of the daughters of israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of israel. The punishment of the sodom and Gomorrah. was for these same
despicable acts. And don't tell me that this events never happen. iT DID , SCIENCE ALSO PROVED THAT. So all the detractors. please stop encouraging
sin, SIN is SIN! God condemns all of this. And also in the Old testament, the punishment for these acts sodomy, l(gay acts) bestiality. was
punishiable by death. And it shall be so.THE UNREPENTING GAYS AS WELL AS THE WARMONGERS MURDERS ADULTERESS< THE FORNICATORS< LIARS. WILL ALL be
thrown in a lake of fire.
...the old ignorant "bible says" arguement, eh?
Do you really want to play "bible says"?
I mean there are so many ways to respond...
... not all of them polite...
...I mean first I could point out all the other things the bible says...
But lets try Denying your Ignorance first:
Homosexuality is NOT a sin. All scripture passages aside, when it's all said and done, sin is something you CHOOSE to do. I know of no one, myself
included, who chose to be homosexual. I know of no one who chose to be
Bi-Sexual, or Lesbian or straight, for that matter. It is what we are, and a part of who we are.
It's not surprising that the Church would condemn homosexuality,
since, as a whole the church has a history of condemning sexuality in
and of itself. For example, The Church says that it's a sin to have sex before marriage. That's not biblical. Some churches say you can't kiss
passionately, or masturbate. That's also not biblical. Some churches say
that you can't live with someone of the opposite gender before you marry them. This too isn't biblical. The Church's condemnation of homosexuality
is only one link in a line of condemnations regarding sexuality that the church
has taught as "truth". The real truth of the matter is that it's a sin to teach that you're sexuality is evil or sinful. It's a sin to teach that
one sexuality is right and that any other kind of sexuality is wrong. It's a sin for the church or anyone else, for that matter, to shame you because
you desire sex, or
because you find it pleasurable. God created sex, God designed your sexuality.
When someone, even a priest, a minister or a pastor,
condemns you for your sexuality, they're automatically condemning God, because God created your sexuality. What about scripture ? Doesn't scripture
agree with church doctrine ? Absolutely not ! Scripture has been pulled out of context to make it appear to agree with church doctrine. For example,
the religious right loves to quote Leviticus 18:22 "...You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. .." First of all, when
you present scripture to anyone, you present more than just one sentence. When you read the bible, you read the whole paragraph, or the
whole chapter, if need be, to find out what's going on and who's being spoken to. For example, if we look at the same passage of
scripture, and start reading it at the beginning, it says "The Lord spoke to Moses saying " Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: I am
the Lord your God. According to the doings in the land of Egypt, where you dwelt, you shall not do; and according to the doings in the land of Canaan,
where I am bringing you, you shall not do; nor shall you walk in their ordinances. You shall observe My judgments and keep my ordinances to walk in
them: I am the Lord your God. You shall therefore keep my statues and my judgments, which if a man does, he shall live by them: I am the Lord. ..."
Following this, he gives the Israelites the sexual code where
Leviticus 18:22 comes from. This puts a whole different spin on Leviticus 18:22.
Egypt was a pagan culture, as was Canaan. God was telling the Israelites, "People, you left a pagan culture and you're going to go to a pagan
culture, but you are NOT to act like a pagan culture. You are not to
copy their religious practices, nor are you to follow their laws. Do as I tell you , and you will survive." Leviticus 18:22 is talking about a pagan
religious rite. In fact, notice that in that particular passage, God calls this practice "an abomination". In Hebrew that word is "towebah"
(Tow-ay-bah) it means "idolatry" This "homosexuality" was in fact a religious rite. This had nothing to do with affection, or love. This was about
religious obligation, "duty to the GODS", that kind of thing. More importantly, if Leviticus is so important a book to them, why don't they follow
the rest of the commands given there.
For example, in Leviticus 19:19 it says that you shall not let you livestock breed with another kind, or that you shall not sow your field with mixed
seed, or that you shall not wear a garment of mixed linen and wool. Leviticus 19:27 says that you shall not shave around the sides of your beard nor
shall you disfigure the edges of your beard. How about the laws concerning clean and unclean animals ? (Leviticus 11:24-47) How
about the forbidden foods in Leviticus 11:1-23). These are thing that "the
religious right" never mentions, and yet, they're part of our daily lives. For
example, just about everyone wears clothes that are poly-cotton blend. Most people who have beards, shave them a bit so they look neat and
presentable. Both in direct violation of Leviticus. Also, how many of them do you suppose like football? That too, is in violation of scripture. The
is pigskin, which according to Leviticus, is unclean to eat or to touch . My point here is that you can't just piecemeal scripture that way. You
can't just obey one part here and one part there and cut out the parts you don't like. That doesn't work , but yet, that's just they attempt to do
when they pull passages out of the Old Testament like that. Another one they love to quote is 1 Corinthians 6:9, which in some translations of the
bible actually uses the word "homosexuals". That word in Greek, it turns out, is
"arsenokoites" which means, literally, "man-bed", "man-couch", "man - chambering" NOT "homosexual". Paul's history was that he was
very direct in what he said, he didn't mince words. He was also a very
intelligent man, he spoke Aramaic and Greek, he was able to write Greek as well. So with that in mind, if he wanted to write "homosexual" why
wouldn't he have used the word "homophilia" which means homosexual ?
Bear in mind, also, that Corinth wasn't exactly a "squeaky clean " town either. Corinth had a reputation for being a town of drunks, hookers (only,
they called them "Courtesans") and basically, corrupt people. Their type of worship before Christ was introduced to them was the worship of
aphrodite. (believe me, they got pretty lewd in their "worship practices of her") . It kind of makes you think, that when Paul was referring to
"man-beds" he may have been referring to the "courtesans" (they had both male and female at that time). Finally, if homosexuality really was a
sin, it would
bear the fruits of sin. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:17-19 that a good tree bears good fruit and a bad tree bears bad fruit. In that case, what are the
fruits of homosexuality ? There really aren't, are there? You can't say that A.I.D.S / H.I.V is a fruit of homosexuality , because if it were, then
straight people wouldn't get it, neither would children be born with it or die of it.
So, when people tell you that homosexuality is a sin, don't believe it !
Will you Deny you Ignorance?
Or will you embrace it?
[edit on 22-11-2004 by I_AM_that_I_AM]