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Why I carry - even at home.

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posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:02 PM
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Locked doors are all well and good. Windows break very easily though. And what if I'm not behind that locked door? What if I'm out and about? What if I'm in a convenience store and an armed thief comes in ready and willing to shoot if he doesn't get what he wants? Or doesn't get it fast enough? Or shoots the clerk just cause? It happens.

You know. I'm hearing all these self righteous replies from people in the UK, and I wonder why. I know yours is not a crimeless society. And yet many of you seem fine with your inability to defend yourselves. Is it because of your politics? Your more or less socialistic political policies? What we call a nanny state?

Let me ask. If a man were to burst into your house or flat, with a knife, and you KNOW he won't be content to just rob you, would you grab a knife and try to defend yourself? Or would you simply accept that the end is the end? Would you wish for just one second that you had a gun?




posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:14 PM
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Although I found it utterly staggering, good thread all the same.

Not wishing to get into your right to own or carry, but you describe your home as being relatively crime free yet you are sitting on your couch with a weapon. I feel genuinely sorry for you. Sorry that you exist in a life of perpetual fear.

There has to be a better way than this?

Peace



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:19 PM
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I will never understand how someone can have so much feelings for a piece of metal, but I can understand if someone is appealed by the look or works of certain guns.

I will never understand why most gun owners are called paranoid, but I can understand that those who do not need them, see it from another perspective.


It was funny to read the post from the guy who said to another user here that if he has no gun, he does not deserve the constitution
. But it´s alarming to read some people´s posts here who would be lucky if they could "shot da bastard".
Really? Is this necessary?

I own several guns don´t get me wrong.
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posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:30 PM
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kingmonkey
Although I found it utterly staggering, good thread all the same.

Not wishing to get into your right to own or carry, but you describe your home as being relatively crime free yet you are sitting on your couch with a weapon. I feel genuinely sorry for you. Sorry that you exist in a life of perpetual fear.

There has to be a better way than this?

Peace


I can't speak for others, but from my observations, it isn't fear at all, it is simply a willingness to be prepared and having the right tools at hand for any contingency. Carrying a gun doesn't imply that the carrier is fearful.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:40 PM
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It's not self righteous to defend oneself from being called a perpetual victim living in fear just because we don't want violent weapons carried by all and sundry. We do not see the need to arm ourselves simply because even if the things you said did happen there is no guarantee we would get to a weapon in time or it would do any good. In 30 years I haven't been the victim of a single crime. The only member of my family who has is my mum who got her bag snatched by someone in a moving car. And guess what. She didn't let go, she was dragged along that car until she hit a lamp post, that's not playing victim and its not something that would have been easily solved with a gun.
If someone broke into my home I'd grab my kid and my phone and lock myself in a room thanks very much. With a 3 yr old child I'd be stupid to attempt to fight someone. Again it's not playing victim, it's playing safe so I can carry on being a mum to my child. Playing victim would be to go out and get a gun the next day as if I'm fearful of it happening again.
Funny you go on about guns helping but for all your lax gun laws it doesn't come up often about guns stopping people with guns. We don't generally hear of crimes being stopped by citizens with guns, more just by sheer bravery of citizens refusing to back down. I could go out and get a gun tomorrow, just a hunting rifle, however I, with not one thought to the government, choose not to.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:48 PM
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alienreality

kingmonkey
Although I found it utterly staggering, good thread all the same.

Not wishing to get into your right to own or carry, but you describe your home as being relatively crime free yet you are sitting on your couch with a weapon. I feel genuinely sorry for you. Sorry that you exist in a life of perpetual fear.

There has to be a better way than this?

Peace


I can't speak for others, but from my observations, it isn't fear at all, it is simply a willingness to be prepared and having the right tools at hand for any contingency. Carrying a gun doesn't imply that the carrier is fearful.


Sitting on your couch in your own home with a weapon on your person suggests that you fear home invasion at any moment.

This is a very sad reflection on society, or the OP's view on society.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 06:49 PM
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mysterioustranger
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As crime increases in my nice suburban neighborood on the West Side-my wife was held up by two lowlifes with guns IN OUR DRIVEWAY.

Sadly...I carry at home as well. Even taking out the trash.

So should you. Its happening everywhere. Good luck to you.
PS (Get floods outside with motion detectors (not TIMERS)...that automatically turn on).


Not a gun owner myself, but believe in the whole of the 2nd amendment. My house was broken into and two pianos and a tuba were stolen. Had I had a gun, it would not have mattered since I was not at home. If I had been, I don't know what the outcome would have been and don't think it would have made me feel any more secure. I am so sorry that this happened to your wife, I'm sure that has made a deep impact upon you and your spouse in so many ways. My question is this, if she had had a gun would it have made a difference. There seems to be several outcomes possible: She is shot and injured. She is shot and killed. The criminal(s) is shot and injured. The criminal(s) is shot and killed. One criminal is injured and she is injured and the other criminal shoots and kills her. All are shot, injured or shot, killed. All walk away uninjured or the exact same outcome occurs. With today's skewed prosecution of crime, live, die or be injured, the event could go into litigation for years with no guarantee of a positive outcome. I hope that both she and yourself are safe and that this scenario will never occur for you again. I installed both motion floods and had a home security system contract. That became unaffordable, but I kept the signage.

OP, if it makes you more comfortable and at ease, I say practice the law as allowed and continue to support both your right and the right of those not to carry.
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posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 07:05 PM
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kingmonkey

alienreality

kingmonkey
Although I found it utterly staggering, good thread all the same.

Not wishing to get into your right to own or carry, but you describe your home as being relatively crime free yet you are sitting on your couch with a weapon. I feel genuinely sorry for you. Sorry that you exist in a life of perpetual fear.

There has to be a better way than this?

Peace


I can't speak for others, but from my observations, it isn't fear at all, it is simply a willingness to be prepared and having the right tools at hand for any contingency. Carrying a gun doesn't imply that the carrier is fearful.


Sitting on your couch in your own home with a weapon on your person suggests that you fear home invasion at any moment.

This is a very sad reflection on society, or the OP's view on society.



Well yes, but welcome to the earth.. This fear of others you mention is based on millennia of people being attacked by other people, so I think it justified for people to fear being attacked. Same as little children fearing Obama's drone attacks overseas..

However, fear could be put into classes, like having a healthy fear of things, or having unhealthy fear of things.. Carrying a weapon at home isn't unhealthy fear to me, but that's just me..


I agree that this is indeed a sad part of the world today..
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posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 07:10 PM
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bastion
I'm confused, you have a gun on you at all times inside your house but usually leave the doors unlocked? Or am I interpreting that wrong.


This here is a very good point that is unclarifed!! Seems she has her priorities wrong. Or she possibly created this thread for want of attention? Im just asking.

I completely condone the use of guns for civilians. But some people are just plain crazy and irrational. But justify their irrational behavior with a story that may or may not be true!!



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 07:16 PM
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Clearly we're at an impasse. I ask one thing though. As I haven't criticized the way you live your life (questioned yes), don't criticize the way some of us Yanks live ours. You deal with your reality as you see fit, as will we.

However, to answer one point you brought up, I refer you to this again.

thomas.loc.gov...

This is the excerpt that answers your question, if you choose not to click on the link.

The use of firearms in self defense is prevalent. According to the National Self Defense Survey, conducted by criminologists from Florida State University, Americans use guns in self defense an estimated 2.2 to 2.5 million times a year, or every 13 seconds.

Yes it is a deplorable fact that armed Americans have to defend themselves every 13 seconds against the crime that is rampant in this country. However, we only do what we have to do. As I'm sure you've heard before, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 07:32 PM
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I know we are never going to agree on this. I have read the article you linked to, and it does not satisfy me in the least. I understand the figures discussed however it fails to say how many were injured or killed as a result of this self defense.
I'm sorry but if someone has to pull a gun every 13 seconds then obviously something isn't working. And you talk about UK being victims? Your whole country sounds like one big victim. You can keep your guns.
Anyway, it's 1:30am and I have an early morning wake up call in the form of a toddler with a cold. Can't continue going round in circles I'm afraid. Good night to you sir. I hope you never have need for your guns.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 07:43 PM
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when a person has a weapon on their person at home, why do some say that they are a fearfull person and that they feel sorry for them? with that thought, why keep xtrta food at home? , why lock your doors? why train in any type of fighting art? why have any xtra money on hand? why have emergency ph# on hand? why have a smoke detector? why ware a seat belt?

it has nothing to do with fear. to be prepared doesnt mean fear, it means that one is looking at possibilities...it doesnt mean we act on them. a door knock in the evening doesnt throw me into some type of tactical frenzy...walking to the grocery store doesnt put me iin a panic where i move from cover to cover, i'm not a police officer anymore so everybody i meet is not a potential criminal hell bent on doing me harm.

TPTB have done a good job at pacifing the population. you, the individual are the only one who can protect yourself and protecting yourself does not mean one lives in fear..it just means that one is observant and prepares.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 07:49 PM
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I don't carry inside my home because I have a 7 year old and a 2 year old, but I have them handy in safe places, I never leave any door lock unlocked and I always close my garage door and wait until it closes all the way before entering the home. My neighbors in the other hand always leave their front door unlocked because her daughters is always playing outside alone and I see her going in/out of the house without supervision, and my other neighbor leaves the garage door open for hours.

You are not safe anywhere, not even in your home.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 07:52 PM
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Wrabbit2000
I carry my weapon when I'm outside the home (and not at the campus of course) but I can't see carrying it with me at home?

Having said that, I'll note I have guns sitting in all 4 rooms I spend 99% of my time in and I know where they are to be within short reach at all times...but they sit there too. Every month or two, I'll rotate ammunition and every few months I'll break them down and clean them for good measure, if nothing else.

The only time I can say I've had my gun at home and not where one is normally just sitting anyway? It's been when a specific reason, at that moment, has caused an issue ..then it's very obvious in my hand ..or if I'm in the bedroom? Well... I always have liked the sound of tromboning a pump shotgun. It's a sound I think is ingrained or something, as people seem to know what it is without even being in the room to see or claiming to have heard it before.

* We do get home invasions and home burglaries turn fatal for homeowners regularly enough to keep those I have, spread around in regular spots tho... I can understand that.


I have experienced, on another family members behalf, first hand while it was happening - a home invasion. It was meant to be a burglary but it turned real violent real quick. Bear in mind there were only 2 helpless women in the house when TSHTF, and one was beaten to within an inch of her life! I feel like i wanna vomit when i think about it still!

the police were kinda useless, and the 2 of the crooks that were found (the other 3 got away) got only 3 years each (which is beyond words).

the point being, I like your tactic. Hear this: I, along with other family member who are the sons of the victims, the night after, were thinking up ways in which we could defend our homes. We live in UK, you see, so guns r illegal here! Crowbar or baseball bat is the best we could come up with. Even stun guns r illegal here. We found ourselves realizing that we as human individuals in a cilvilized 1st world country that are supposed to have rights, are in fact sitting ducks, incapable of even defending ourselves. It was a moment of enlightenment to realize this.

If i could have a gun, i can tell you that i would hold more than one.

A mini-gun wouldnt be outta the question



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 07:58 PM
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Moral of the story... always lock your front door.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 08:06 PM
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Wow. Even the US Congress doesn't satisfy you. The Liberal controlled Congress, at that (at the time).

What those figures DO say is that 2.2 - 2.5 million INNOCENT people WERE NOT injured or killed by criminals bent on harming or destroying those innocent lives, or families, or much less, property.

What those figures say is that 2.2 - 2.5 million CRIMINALS were stopped in their tracks. Not ALL were killed. Not ALL were injured. an untold number ran, so that they could commit crime again in the future. However, in every case, those criminals entered into their 'career' knowing the consequences of their actions.

No ma'am. The victims are those that leave their safety in others hands. Others that consider their own safety first, over the safety of the people that they're supposed to protect.

One more thing. "All and sundry", in the US, are not allowed to carry. Many are not allowed to 'legally' own. You have to pass a background check to purchase. You have to pass an even more intrusive background check to get a carry permit. So ... 'all and sundry' is, apparently, an assumption by those that don't know the facts.
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posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 08:08 PM
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alldaylong
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This thread is just one reason why i am glad not to be living in The US.

2nd


So pray tell what paradise of peaceful nonviolence do you live in?



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 09:05 PM
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I to carry my pistol at home. Not necessarily on my hip but always within an arms reach. I also practice my draw and magazine changes nightly so that sort of give a "day to day" reason to have it on my hip at home.

I live in a nice area but have a couple shady families around me that I do not trust. These people carry guns, So I am going to carry a gun.

It's sad that a lot of people feel safe without actually doing anything to protect themselves. I hope to whatever higher power that all my drills and training and shooting is wasted time in the end and that I never have to use my weapon. But, I would rather be prepared for anything than not at all.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 09:23 PM
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justreleased
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I can defend myself without carrying a weapon.

Just saying. It's my point.

I said if weak people feel the need to carry a weapon then it's their right.


The OP is a lady...

Even if she knew how to fight with her hands, she can be easily overwhelmed by a thug.

And not everyone is blessed with your kung-fu skills. We can never be worthy of reaching your high standard of conditioning.



posted on Jan, 11 2014 @ 09:37 PM
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justreleased

DocScurlock
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Hey look guys, its the toughest guy I have ever read about on the internet!!!



so can most of us, thats why criminals use guns to get the upper hand. Talk about thick......


What makes you think I don't own a weapon?

All I said is most of the time I don't carry. I sure don't carry a weapon while in my home.

You want to find out how tough I am, boy?



Lol, now that is a true keyboard commando!!

I want to find out how tough you are! I can type 40wpm with 90% accuracy. Was 55wpm and 98% accuracy in my better years.

But...if you carry some of the time, does that mean you are feeling sorry for yourself when you do?



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