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I posted what the olde man stated when he returned from WW1 to read in a paper..that we were fighting for Democracy. He knew back then that thieves had stolen his country. He knew a lot more than people of today.
Gold or Silver in private hands has always given economic power to the ordinary people. It also insures, when fixed, a stable money value; a storehouse of value. Gold and silver in private hands also removes a lot of intrusive power from the central government as they must make good on their obligations and thus leave the people to their private lives for they cannot finance their intrusiveness into our lives.
I too have come to this conclusion...that this group or groups have been around for a long time..perhaps going back to the first great civilizations in the Middle East and North Africa.
What clued me into this was a document many years ago from the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis called "The National Debt." In this document they declared that the federal government has the ability to print money unlimited. What I did not understand back then was that if they could print money unlimited why did they need our monies??
My read of history is that these organizations occasionally fight each other. This is not how it reads in the history books but many of these competing organizations were involved in WW1 and WW2...and the wars going back in Europe..in the 1840 and again in the 1870s.
these groups have moved in and manipulated the courts and other government organizations, including schools, to bring back this feudal/royal system without most being aware of it.
Silver has been the monetary standard from the time of the first civilizations. It was Great Britain who wound up changing to a gold standard and, due to the global influence it had at the time, one nation after another began to change from a silver standard to a gold standard. This has worked as a subtle form of hyperinflation since silver was obtainable by most commoners but gold was not. It was a further concentration of wealth from the hands of the many into the hands of the few and remains effective to this day.
I believe you're right regarding the antiquity of such groups. First mention of domination of a people (that I recall) was during the time of the famine mentioned in the bible. The famine broke the people who came clamoring to pharaoh to save them. They offered all their money in exchange for food (so obviously they HAD money). When that ran out, they offered pharaoh their lands (so obviously they owned their own land). When that ran out and pharaoh was now the owner of all monies and properties, the people had nothing left to give and offered him their servitude. I've always found this an odd and overlooked revelation. Were pharaohs people not his servants before this? Did they not serve him? They probably had an entirely different form of government than we were taught if they could offer money, private property and servitude in exchange for food. As per the recycled tyranny so popular with TPTB, I believe we are once again seeing this scenario play out where free peoples are willing to exchange their freedom and resources just to stay fed.
Good point. They obviously don't need our monies if they've granted themselves the authority to be the only ones to print it, determine it's value, order its destruction, etc. What they need is a system whereby everyone is ensnared and a monetary system does that nicely. It has it's flaws and I think we will soon see a replacement that relies on digital information rather than anything carried in a wallet. Unfortunately, digital information can be easily hacked by unscrupulous characters and, our government being the most unscrupulous of all, may use such techniques to "clear an account" if that person is deemed subversive or just a PITA.
Men and nations have been fighting one another since recorded time. And it's always over resources. Like a bunch of recalcitrant children who see that the other kid has some shiny toy they want so they hit them over the head and take it from them. The art, the architecture, the literary and historical documents and incalculable loss of human lives wasted over greedy children who set themselves up to be "king of the mountain" has been inexcusable. Such people are evil to their very core and to such a level that most of us find it incomprehensible.
The checks and balances that were supposed to prevent dictatorial takeovers has slowly been eroded. The executive branch is making "executive orders" that are comprehensive in their scope of totalitarianism and designed to completely negate our constitution and bill of rights. The legislative branch are just the useful idiots catering to the wolves in sheep's clothing who are ushering in this conspiratorial agenda and the judicial branch has traded the rule of law for one of "precedents" effectively negating the law by changing it entirely without requiring any voting from that pesky group known as we-the-people.
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I believe if you do enough back-tracking, you'll find that the KGC - the masons, the shriners, the banksters - all end up under the jesuits and the black pope - the vatican itself has always been under the jesuits since they started - and this is in no way a "religious" post - it's economics, education, big multi-national corporations, and, most importantly "the war machine".
The PTB seem pretty desperate lately to get things moving faster in their direction
Do "they" know something that we don't?
The Jesuits, IMO, are deeply involved in all of this. Ignacio had an interesting background and seems to have links to the Spanish secret societies. Although familiar with the theory that the Jesuits run the Vatican, I don't go that far. They are the military branch of the Vatican, IMO. That is why the head Jesuit has the title Superior General. Not, super-holy-dude or most humble servant of Christ, etc. But, General. And the head General, the Superior General.
One thing that has kept me from subscribing to the Black Pope Theory, that places The Jesuits at the top, and since inception, is the amount of expulsions they have faced. A particular expulsion that interests me and has potential links to the same stuff the KGC does in the southwest, was the one that occurred in 1767, where the Jesuits were rounded up and tossed out of the Spanish Empire holdings, including North America. A few years later, the Pope suppressed the order, too.
The Jesuits are everywhere and they have been kicked out of more than one country, at more than one time for causing problems. And it sure as hell wasn't for praying too loud. These expulsions and suppressions of the Jesuit Order alone prove Conspiracies do exist and that religious organizations are involved. The skeptics just regard it as a footnote of history and relabel it as 'political intrigue' and assume that it doesn't happen anymore, on a grand scale and timeframe, and successfully.
I definitely place the Jesuits up there in the command structure. Were they and the KGC involved in the same tasks, no doubt it was the Jesuits that were the overseers and directors. But I don't at this point, put them at the head of The Vatican.
I am not arguing with your assessment, merely sharing my own ideas at this point. Ideas that I keep subject to change upon further evidence and contemplation. It is very difficult to drill down to the real truth with all of this. It spans time, borders and organizations and has been intentionally disguised by very intelligent people in the process.
I still wonder if it is true pyramid type structure or if it is a collection of oligarchs 'in the know' that have been jockeying for position and having internal power struggles and battles.
Except that now someone or some group has worked to remove both the silver and gold from everyone's hands out here and substituted fiat inflationary currency in place of real monies. Real monies is a thing..an item which can be seen, held and known. Not a receipt on a piece of paper."
100 % fraud and theft. They also by this electronic accounting method have a 100 % loss of privacy by people everywhere.
Charles Forte wrote about strange phenomenon and his belief that we are being controlled by forces we cannot see and know little to nothing about and that most of us are totally unawares of it. That this has been going on for a long, long time.
Look up the MOHO
The paper money declares that "this note is legal tender for all debts public and private". A "note" is an instrument of debt. Just like those "tote the note" used car companies agree to hold your debt, the U.S. government is issuing instruments of debt to be distributed for our labors. The only thing propping up the economy is the shared delusion that paper money has ANY intrinsic value. When I buy a gallon of milk I am obtaining something substantive and, in exchange, I give in payment something of no value. It's a good deal for me. (Except for the amount of time/labor I must give in order to obtain those worthless pieces of paper)
I remember as a child being told by my parents to save my money (from babysitting jobs and allowance) so that I could afford the things I want. When I began to understand that no matter how long I saved, the price of things I wanted kept getting just out of reach due to inflation, I knew that money has no real value. We could all collectively agree that juju beans have a predetermined value and trade those for substantive items and services and still be ahead of paper money because at least juju beans have SOME innate substantive value. Paper money has value as potential wallpaper or toilet wipes or maybe fire starter only.
Clever people figured out ways to avoid the downside of having instruments of debt paid to them for their labors and services but government hates competition and severely punishes counterfeiters. When the magnetic strips came out in paper money I took my kids out to eat and paid for the meal with a $100.00 bill in which I had carefully removed the magnetic strip (just wanted a close up look at it). The waitress told me she'd take it this one time since a lot of people were doing the same thing due to it's novelty but that actually the money was invalidated by removal of the magnetic strip. She was mildly scolding me but looked a little confused when I put a crack in her reality by asking if our monetary system had now moved from a gold/silver basis to a magnetic strip basis. If the paper money was now invalid and worthless without the magnetic strip then we had effectively changed the basis of our monetary system. At what point did the paper money no longer have value?
I have all of his writings. He had a sharp wit and was a master of sarcasm.
Look up the MOHO
Am not familiar with this term.
When you or I take out a loan we have to have collateral. Something of equal value to the amount being loaned so that if we default, the one loaning us the money can recoup their loss. If a country borrows money, especially a country like America where the government supposedly exists at the consent of the governed, shouldn't we the people know who is loaning us money, what it's for, what the terms of the contract state, the interest, the amount of time to pay it back, etc.? And shouldn't we know what sort of collateral is being put up in the event of a default? What does a country promise to give in terms of collateral? The East Coast? California? Special economic zones in which Americans have no say in what goes on in certain areas within our boundaries?
At the current time, I believe our national debt exceeds the total worth of every business in the U.S. Do we now agree to render ourselves slaves to the creditors? Or has that already been agreed to behind closed doors?
Since money is a construct based on a shared delusion to prop it up and give it legitimacy, I suggest that we have been bamboozled, our liberties stolen, our choices restricted, and our individual and national sovereignty forfeited. To whom do we owe this alleged debt? China? They do hold the majority of the instruments of our debt but I don't recall signing any contract with the Chinese government, the international bankers or any other self-proclaimed authorities in which I agreed to forfeit my sovereignty as an individual. Who are these brazen thieves that give themselves the right to declare "special economic zones" within our borders that are not within the scope of U.S. sovereignty or jurisdiction?
So then, the coup HAS occurred and we are simply being herded into increasingly more effective chains? Other than everyone in America collectively agreeing to quit paying taxes, I can think of no way to stop this run away train of enslavement.
When men can do nothing...
And the nature and essence of revolution...